[jcmanson]

Bottom line is, no matter who the coach is at Liberty you should win at least 65% of your games, I don't care if it is a non conference, conference, D-2, NAIA game, etc.... LU has great arena, great support, money, the ability to recruit juco's, transfers, etc. Also they are on TV almost every home game!! Also Liberty has a little more tradition than some may think or admit.

Lynchburg is a great city now, it's close to the beach, DC, Charlotte,etc

Don't give me the religion excuse and all that cause that can be a bonus in alot of ways!

Liberty should be having the same success as Winthrop, Siena, Butler, Gonzaga, Murray St, ETSU, Davidson, ODU. I know it's not easy but there is no excuse for not competeing at a high level.

Agreed, and that's the gist of this thread and most of the ones in the men's forum.

[jcmanson]

I agree with all those points except the Juco one...we seem to look for some transfers yes, but not junior college kids here recently.

And I think we should look to the Juco ranks

[olldflame]

We signed Sammy Jackson out of JUCO a couple of years ago, but something fell through and we gave that schollie to Weaver. The last JUCO transfer to play for us was Alex. I am not a fan of transfers in general, but if they meet a need on the court and fit in at LU, I'd prefer JUCO transfers because they don't have to sit out a year.

[El Scorcho]

Lynchburg is a great city now...

Whoa, whoa whoa. Let's not get crazy here.

[vthokies20]

I tend to think our program, and the conference in general, have gone downhill since the RD era. I'm not saying that it even has anything to do with him, b/c I don't know. I'd like to think we will regain some stability and direction, and that Layer will be the guy to do it. I just didn't see enough to be convinced. McKay had a great thing going imho, but he wrecked the program and now we are just trying to survive.

To pile on, it doesn't matter how we feel about RD, and the fact that our program has taken a few steps backward. It's ancient history. Layer is our coach, and if he doesn't turn things around in a few years then we will give someone else a shot. Can't get much worse.

Somebody courageous enough to admit the program and conference are not what they were. Mckay capitalized on where RD had built the program to...used us and bolted when he saw where his work was taking us. If you don't personally know RD then you won't know the passion and skill set he possesses and few were as deeply committed to the Liberty vision. RD had us in position to be awesome and had already won a championship.

OH yeah we do play in the Big South so conference standing are BIG. And 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 3rd means something. A few more 4th, 3rd, 6th seed and we will see more courage from others on here. Unless they like SJ get paid by the current ad.

[BUSIMAN23]

I tend to think our program, and the conference in general, have gone downhill since the RD era. I'm not saying that it even has anything to do with him, b/c I don't know. I'd like to think we will regain some stability and direction, and that Layer will be the guy to do it. I just didn't see enough to be convinced. McKay had a great thing going imho, but he wrecked the program and now we are just trying to survive.

To pile on, it doesn't matter how we feel about RD, and the fact that our program has taken a few steps backward. It's ancient history. Layer is our coach, and if he doesn't turn things around in a few years then we will give someone else a shot. Can't get much worse.

Somebody courageous enough to admit the program and conference are not what they were. Mckay capitalized on where RD had built the program to...used us and bolted when he saw where his work was taking us. If you don't personally know RD then you won't know the passion and skill set he possesses and few were as deeply committed to the Liberty vision. RD had us in position to be awesome and had already won a championship.
OH yeah we do play in the Big South so conference standing are BIG. And 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 3rd means something. A few more 4th, 3rd, 6th seed and we will see more courage from others on here. Unless they like SJ get paid by the current ad.

I guess that is why he has gotten so quickly back into a head coaching job. There were some fishy things that occurred during his last couple years at Liberty recruiting wise. This is why he was let go, it wasnt a personal thing from JB

[LUconn]

It's not fair to say something so vague. If he did something, tell us what it is. If he didn't, don't make him look bad by insinuating that he did.

[ToTheLeft]

It's not fair to say something so vague. If he did something, tell us what it is. If he didn't, don't make him look bad by insinuating that he did.

Wow. Didn't expect anyone but me to say that. Props.

[flamesfilmguy]

some things should not be said out of respect for the parties involved. which is why some of us are keeping our mouth shut.

[ToTheLeft]

some things should not be said out of respect for the parties involved. which is why some of us are keeping our mouth shut.

Then don't throw it out there halfway and insinuate things! If you can't say something, DON'T SAY ANYTHING. Either say what happened, or butt out. It's not fair to anyone involved to use your cool "insider" knowledge and just expect everyone to believe you.

[flamesfilmguy]

some things should not be said out of respect for the parties involved. which is why some of us are keeping our mouth shut.

Then don't throw it out there halfway and insinuate things! If you can't say something, DON'T SAY ANYTHING. Either say what happened, or butt out. It's not fair to anyone involved to use your cool "insider" knowledge and just expect everyone to believe you.

i was merely explaining why people seem vague. you got a problem you can call me.

[ToTheLeft]

That's the point, man. Don't be vague with things you're not allowed to say, or can't say for whatever reason. You and Jon have your cool insider info, and that's fine, but don't bring it here and put a black cloud over RD's name without bringing actual facts. You can't just say "He did bad things". So have you, so have I. No one is perfect. Either say the specifics, or keep your insider info out of the discussion.

[Th3rd]

the thing is Lefty that the things that need to be said to finally put an end to it cant be said here because the higher ups have enforced it. I mean there has been plenty of speculation and as far as i know both SJ and FFG could both spill the beans, but since the higher ups have said thats privileged knowledge they have to keep their mouths shut

[flamesfilmguy]

That's the point, man. Don't be vague with things you're not allowed to say, or can't say for whatever reason. You and Jon have your cool insider info, and that's fine, but don't bring it here and put a black cloud over RD's name without bringing actual facts. You can't just say "He did bad things". So have you, so have I. No one is perfect. Either say the specifics, or keep your insider info out of the discussion.

check your PM.

[ToTheLeft]

the thing is Lefty that the things that need to be said to finally put an end to it cant be said here because the higher ups have enforced it. I mean there has been plenty of speculation and as far as i know both SJ and FFG could both spill the beans, but since the higher ups have said thats privileged knowledge they have to keep their mouths shut

No, you don't put an end to things by saying "Bad things were done, trust me". That's not how it works. I could say "Danny Rocco has done bad things, trust me. He should be fired." How can you prove me wrong?

[flamesfilmguy]

the thing is Lefty that the things that need to be said to finally put an end to it cant be said here because the higher ups have enforced it. I mean there has been plenty of speculation and as far as i know both SJ and FFG could both spill the beans, but since the higher ups have said thats privileged knowledge they have to keep their mouths shut

no. I don't go to school anymore and i don't work with athletics anymore. i might want that chance to again one day. i'm not "spilling the beans" because it doesn't need to be spilled. out of respect for RD and other parties involved the whole thing should be let go. some people will never get over it and thats fine. I personally think the right thing was done. there's my 2 cents because i'm now supposed to butt out. peace.

[Th3rd]

the thing is Lefty that the things that need to be said to finally put an end to it cant be said here because the higher ups have enforced it. I mean there has been plenty of speculation and as far as i know both SJ and FFG could both spill the beans, but since the higher ups have said thats privileged knowledge they have to keep their mouths shut

No, you don't put an end to things by saying "Bad things were done, trust me". That's not how it works. I could say "Danny Rocco has done bad things, trust me. He should be fired." How can you prove me wrong?

see with that you are the only one saying it. with the RD situation many people are saying it, and its people who you know have been on the inside and have that kind of information... its not one lone person crying wolf, its many people who know the situation and know what happened but cant or wont out of respect post it on here

[SuperJon]

The reason this will not go away and why it will never go away is the Coach Dunton side comes and gives the claims about his winning and his record and all of that stuff. When the decision was originally made, the phrase "It's about more than wins and losses" was put out there from the athletic director. The things that went into the decision cannot and will not ever be said publicly. As long as this debate is brought up by the Coach Dunton supporters, the "secretive" nature of the things that really went on will be here.

[flamesfilmguy]

the thing is Lefty that the things that need to be said to finally put an end to it cant be said here because the higher ups have enforced it. I mean there has been plenty of speculation and as far as i know both SJ and FFG could both spill the beans, but since the higher ups have said thats privileged knowledge they have to keep their mouths shut

No, you don't put an end to things by saying "Bad things were done, trust me". That's not how it works. I could say "Danny Rocco has done bad things, trust me. He should be fired." How can you prove me wrong?

ok ttl. if you want to egg this along fine. i'm done. this is beyond ridiculous. some of you need to get over yourselves as well as the past and realize no amount of talk or speculation can get things back to the way they were. live with it.

[ToTheLeft]

The reason this will not go away and why it will never go away is the Coach Dunton side comes and gives the claims about his winning and his record and all of that stuff. When the decision was originally made, the phrase "It's about more than wins and losses" was put out there from the athletic director. The things that went into the decision cannot and will not ever be said publicly. As long as this debate is brought up by the Coach Dunton supporters, the "secretive" nature of the things that really went on will be here.

Then don't talk about it, Jon. Don't smear the man's name. That's wrong. If you can't say what happened, then don't talk about it. Some people here think you're immortal and always right, so they bite the hook. That doesn't mean you have permission to say whatever you want and have it be gospel. If you can't tell the whole story, don't talk down about the man.

[Th3rd]

The reason this will not go away and why it will never go away is the Coach Dunton side comes and gives the claims about his winning and his record and all of that stuff. When the decision was originally made, the phrase "It's about more than wins and losses" was put out there from the athletic director. The things that went into the decision cannot and will not ever be said publicly. As long as this debate is brought up by the Coach Dunton supporters, the "secretive" nature of the things that really went on will be here.

Then don't talk about it, Jon. Don't smear the man's name. That's wrong. If you can't say what happened, then don't talk about it. Some people here think you're immortal and always right, so they bite the hook. That doesn't mean you have permission to say whatever you want and have it be gospel. If you can't tell the whole story, don't talk down about the man.

i think this is what everyone's consensus is. lets just not talk about it and instead talk about current issues like how our team looks going into next year.

[SuperJon]

If people are going to continually drag my school and its athletic department, as well as the department I work for, through the mud, I will continue to defend it. Just because you've happened to meet Coach Dunton and consistently heard his side of the story from the people you hang out and work with doesn't mean I'm going to stop talking about the things that I know to be true.

[ToTheLeft]

If people are going to continually drag my school and its athletic department, as well as the department I work for, through the mud, I will continue to defend it. Just because you've happened to meet Coach Dunton and consistently heard his side of the story from the people you hang out and work with doesn't mean I'm going to stop talking about the things that I know to be true.

Wait, so, those who support RD need to stop bringing it up, but you won't? That's nice and fair.

And if you're really trying to insinuate that my thoughts aren't original, when 90% of the stuff you post is just things you hear around the office or around the school and claim as yours (including stealing quotes directly from me in our post game conversations after sporting events and claiming them as your own)?

But you're right, I'm based on lies, and you're based on truth.

[SuperJon]

If the Coach Dunton supporters would stop bringing up half-truths, I'd stop feeling the need to bring up the other side of the half-truths.

I'm insinuating that a year ago you weren't nearly as opinionated as you are now that you've been around the Coach Dunton Support Team. Just like anyone else, your opinion is influenced by who you are around.

You're basing everything off of one-side. I have heard both sides from people that were right there involved, including Coach Dunton personally. FFG knows the school's side because he worked in the basketball offices during Coach Dunton's last semester. We know that side of it because we have worked inside of athletics during our time at Liberty and have been around it. We have told you what has happened but you're in kicking bleachers mode so you're not going to listen to it and instead choose to get mad about it and claim that we think we're better than everyone and think we know more because we worked for the school. It happens all of the time.

[Rocketfan]

If the Coach Dunton supporters would stop bringing up half-truths, I'd stop feeling the need to bring up the other side of the half-truths.

I'm insinuating that a year ago you weren't nearly as opinionated as you are now that you've been around the Coach Dunton Support Team. Just like anyone else, your opinion is influenced by who you are around.

You're basing everything off of one-side. I have heard both sides from people that were right there involved, including Coach Dunton personally. FFG knows the school's side because he worked in the basketball offices during Coach Dunton's last semester. We know that side of it because we have worked inside of athletics during our time at Liberty and have been around it. We have told you what has happened but you're in kicking bleachers mode so you're not going to listen to it and instead choose to get mad about it and claim that we think we're better than everyone and think we know more because we worked for the school. It happens all of the time.

An elitist who is trying to convince others he is not an elitist. SJ you really kill me.