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By El Scorcho
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kingaling42 wrote:Speaking of re-reading things- RELAX Flamesfans, you haven't read all my posts..
I don't read any of your posts, actually. The only reason I saw this one is because it said "FlameFans."
By thepostman
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ToTheLeft wrote:Oh, and how about "LB Jr." 's game high 6 dimes tonight, eh kingylingy?

Doesn't make anyone better, right?

Ooops, guess he ruined that one.
Seth did great creating for others...but it is something he hasn't always done a good job with and needs to improve...but he's a freshmen...so there's plenty of time...but tonight he showed how much of a playmaker he can be

If LB would've been guided a bit better he would've been a great point guard...I know you didn't mean it as a shot at LB...but I think he gets such a bad rap from some people on here
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By WinthropEagleFan
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ToTheLeft wrote:It's easy to have a ton of rebounds when your team plays good defense and terrible offense. :brownbag

Plenty of rebounds to be had. :)
Gardner-Webb has an ok offense and a sub-par defense...

I wasn't talking about a Winthrop player, I was talking about Joshua Henley of Gardner-Webb.
By paradox
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Seth with a very Curry-like 30pts & 6 assists in a big game. Not surprising.

So, I guess we're probably down to a few small-town carolina paper guys and Dingaling42, who view Seth as a second teamer :?
By thepostman
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paradox wrote:Seth with a very Curry-like 30pts & 6 assists in a big game. Not surprising.

So, I guess we're probably down to a few small-town carolina paper guys and Dingaling42, who view Seth as a second teamer :?
not that he needs anymore motivation to play well...but maybe the 1st team snub will make him even more focused...the seth that played last night was a much more focused, more determined seth curry then I have seen in a while...not that he hasn't played well...but he has almost looked burned out the last couple of weeks...he looked like he had that fire back last night...it was good to see
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By kingaling42
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thepostman wrote:
paradox wrote:Seth with a very Curry-like 30pts & 6 assists in a big game. Not surprising.

So, I guess we're probably down to a few small-town carolina paper guys and Dingaling42, who view Seth as a second teamer :?
not that he needs anymore motivation to play well...but maybe the 1st team snub will make him even more focused...the seth that played last night was a much more focused, more determined seth curry then I have seen in a while...not that he hasn't played well...but he has almost looked burned out the last couple of weeks...he looked like he had that fire back last night...it was good to see
My bad paradox.. "Baby Jesus" (I never refer to the chosen one as LB Jr- that's another UNCA fan- thanks!) is as good as he needs to be, he has no flaws & should've been a First team guy over Anthony Smith.. My bad- you're all right.. I wasn't aware but I'm glad it looks like my vote counted in some form or fashion for the award votes!! I mean until you start bottling that kool-Aid & shipping it down here to the mountains of NC- I guess I'll have to be left with an unbiased opinion that he has some game to work on (just like Big Bro has these past 4 years!) it's funny how you play the media is against Curry card when most of the media outlets have been on their knees for the Curry kids all year long- A few of you here should try coming up for air occasionally as well..

HMO- you guys don't handle me ruffling feathers on here too often that well- something about me checking facts before posting- I dunno, I know that's crazy huh!!
By thepostman
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kingaling you have made good points i thought...but you probably didn't see last nights game because of the unca game...but the seth of last night was exactly what you said he needed to be more of...he got other involved and took over when needed...he played very well and I was very happy with the way he played..
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By ToTheLeft
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WinthropEagleFan wrote:
ToTheLeft wrote:It's easy to have a ton of rebounds when your team plays good defense and terrible offense. :brownbag

Plenty of rebounds to be had. :)
Gardner-Webb has an ok offense and a sub-par defense...

I wasn't talking about a Winthrop player, I was talking about Joshua Henley of Gardner-Webb.
I didn't have any idea, to be honest. I figured you were pimping one of your own, so I took a shot at you guys. :)
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By kingaling42
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You're right- I was at the UNCA game & didn't see the LU game.. Listen I'm not just knocking Curry for no reason- I guess as a player I have different expectations for "the guy" on any team.. mostly that they can step up in various roles when the team needs them too- especially guys with varying basketball skill sets like Curry has.. Curry hasn't consistenty been able to keep LU at a high level when Jesse's not out there- thats a big thing for me personally in considering an All-Universe type player..

I'm not saying that Curry has to lead the team in assists each night or be the leading rebounder- his best attribute is his ability to put the ball in the basket- period.. But can you honestly not say that your team could be better if Seth could step up when Jesse's not out there & fill some of that void at times??

But while we are talking about big time player performances from Second team guys- Note that Reid Augst had 27 points last night while being defended by the Defensive POY Mantoris Robinson- not too shabby, but that's what those guys are supposed to do right??
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By ToTheLeft
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thepostman wrote:kingaling you have made good points i thought...but you probably didn't see last nights game because of the unca game...but the seth of last night was exactly what you said he needed to be more of...he got other involved and took over when needed...he played very well and I was very happy with the way he played..
But he doesn't care about that.

He's just going to drop his "he doesn't make his team mates better..." Because, apparently getting almost 5 boards a game, multiple assists, drawing double teams, and getting blocks and playing solid defense and getting steals is not enough to make other players on your team better. What's he supposed to do, set screens? He's our number one scoring option, that would be stupid.

You might not call him LB Jr., but you treat him like he is. Wake up and watch him and really tell me he doesn't make this team better. Kyle Ohman would not be scoring 20+ points in games if Seth wasn't drawing doubles and getting him the ball when he's open.
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By ToTheLeft
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kingaling42 wrote:You're right- I was at the UNCA game & didn't see the LU game.. Listen I'm not just knocking Curry for no reason- I guess as a player I have different expectations for "the guy" on any team.. mostly that they can step up in various roles when the team needs them too- especially guys with varying basketball skill sets like Curry has.. Curry hasn't consistenty been able to keep LU at a high level when Jesse's not out there- thats a big thing for me personally in considering an All-Universe type player..

I'm not saying that Curry has to lead the team in assists each night or be the leading rebounder- his best attribute is his ability to put the ball in the basket- period.. But can you honestly not say that your team could be better if Seth could step up when Jesse's not out there & fill some of that void at times??

But while we are talking about big time player performances from Second team guys- Note that Reid Augst had 27 points last night while being defended by the Defensive POY Mantoris Robinson- not too shabby, but that's what those guys are supposed to do right??
Seth did that against RU and GW. He filled that void. In the other games, coach insisted on Stephene or Spencer filling the void, and Seth had to try and play 2 guard with no point guard to help him out, virtually.

And we all know Manta Ray Robinson should not have been defensive player of the year. We schooled him on defense over and over when he came to the Vines. John Williams and Joe Harris are better defenders than that kid, not to mention Brolin (but Brolin would never get that award). But Augst can score... that much is true. But why should he be first team all universe since he doesn't make his team better? ;-) I mean, jacking up threes all year despite having a percentage under 30 doesn't sound like helping your team. :P
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By kingaling42
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Unlike you guys- I have NEVER once said that Reid deserved to on the First team- so don't act like that's my reasons for having an opinion on Curry that he has work to improve upon.. I'm far more critical on our guys than you would believe..

For the record I hope Curry doesn't improve his other game- he'll still win awards down the road- but your team will not be as good as they can be- that's fine by me as well since you're all so content that Baby Jesus is perfect...
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By LCA&LU Mom
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kingaling42 wrote:Unlike you guys- I have NEVER once said that Reid deserved to on the First team- so don't act like that's my reasons for having an opinion on Curry that he has work to improve upon.. I'm far more critical on our guys than you would believe..

For the record I hope Curry doesn't improve his other game- he'll still win awards down the road- but your team will not be as good as they can be- that's fine by me as well since you're all so content that Baby Jesus is perfect...
Kingaling,
You can voice your opinion all you want, but it offends me when you use Jesus' name as you have done a couple of times. Would you mind not doing that any more? Please and thanks.
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By Kolzilla41
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LCA&LU Mom wrote:
kingaling42 wrote:Unlike you guys- I have NEVER once said that Reid deserved to on the First team- so don't act like that's my reasons for having an opinion on Curry that he has work to improve upon.. I'm far more critical on our guys than you would believe..

For the record I hope Curry doesn't improve his other game- he'll still win awards down the road- but your team will not be as good as they can be- that's fine by me as well since you're all so content that Baby Jesus is perfect...
Kingaling,
You can voice your opinion all you want, but it offends me when you use Jesus' name as you have done a couple of times. Would you mind not doing that any more? Please and thanks.
To defend Kingaling, this name was started by some of our own Mom
By thepostman
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ToTheLeft wrote:
thepostman wrote:kingaling you have made good points i thought...but you probably didn't see last nights game because of the unca game...but the seth of last night was exactly what you said he needed to be more of...he got other involved and took over when needed...he played very well and I was very happy with the way he played..

You might not call him LB Jr., but you treat him like he is. Wake up and watch him and really tell me he doesn't make this team better. Kyle Ohman would not be scoring 20+ points in games if Seth wasn't drawing doubles and getting him the ball when he's open.
you quoted me and then started talking about kingaling...

I do think Seth makes this team better and makes others better...so hopefully that wasn't directed towards me

anyways...Jesse didn't play much last night and Seth did a great just creating shots for others...that has been lacking the past couple weeks but a lot of that had to do with how teams were playing us, and little to do with seth himself...but he has adjusted, or so it seems, and I like what I have seen...

anyways the point is kingaling does make some good points...Seth is far from a perfect player and needs to improve...some people are so sensitive on here about seth that anybody from the outside says anything remotely negative they view it as them hating on seth...
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By ToTheLeft
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kingaling42 wrote:Unlike you guys- I have NEVER once said that Reid deserved to on the First team- so don't act like that's my reasons for having an opinion on Curry that he has work to improve upon.. I'm far more critical on our guys than you would believe..

For the record I hope Curry doesn't improve his other game- he'll still win awards down the road- but your team will not be as good as they can be- that's fine by me as well since you're all so content that Baby Jesus is perfect...
I love how you correct us when we blow things you say out of proportion, but in every single one of your posts you blow what we say out of proportion.

No one said the didn't want Seth to improve. Proto(or is it paradox? don't remember. maybe both) might be the only person you would get that vibe from, and, honestly, I think he does believe that Seth is the 2nd coming of Baby Jesus, and his opinions should have disclaimers about how ridiculously homer his opinions are. Not saying he's wrong or whatever, or that he's dumb, but he really is pretty nuts about Seth.

I know our team would be better if Seth turned it over less and took better shots, and he's learning that, but what else does he need to improve? I mean, every aspect of his game stands to get better, but what glaring weaknesses does he have? He's a good shooter, a good ball handler, a decent defender (could use some work, but he's pretty solid), decent passer/distributor (like i've mentioned, it's something he can stand to work on a little)...

but why does he need to be anything but a scorer? for the next four year, we will have Jesse, a floor general distributor. we will have Brolin Floyd, an excellent defender and rebounder. What else does Seth need to be but a scorer who can give good passes and play good defense? Do you watch Laker games and wonder why Kobe is so popular, since you don't see him getting triple doubles every night? (No, I am not comparing Seth to Kobe... so don't quote me and highlight that part and say how ridiculous I am). The point is, not everyone is going to be the kind of player you were, or the kind of player you wish you were, or the kind of player you wanted to be, or the kind of player you respected. Seth is growing and learning as the season goes on, and I am sure there are a lot of things that Coach is helping him work on, but to make it seem like a Freshman who goes for 20 points, 4 rebounds, 2.5 dimes, and 1.5 steals a game has some glaring hole in his game that should keep him from being honored by his conference, or respected by the coaches and media staffs of the schools in this conference is pretty much a joke.

Maybe when he's a senior he'll be more like Bryan Smithson, eh? :roll:
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By ToTheLeft
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thepostman wrote:
ToTheLeft wrote:
thepostman wrote:kingaling you have made good points i thought...but you probably didn't see last nights game because of the unca game...but the seth of last night was exactly what you said he needed to be more of...he got other involved and took over when needed...he played very well and I was very happy with the way he played..

You might not call him LB Jr., but you treat him like he is. Wake up and watch him and really tell me he doesn't make this team better. Kyle Ohman would not be scoring 20+ points in games if Seth wasn't drawing doubles and getting him the ball when he's open.
you quoted me and then started talking about kingaling...

I do think Seth makes this team better and makes others better...so hopefully that wasn't directed towards me

anyways...Jesse didn't play much last night and Seth did a great just creating shots for others...that has been lacking the past couple weeks but a lot of that had to do with how teams were playing us, and little to do with seth himself...but he has adjusted, or so it seems, and I like what I have seen...

anyways the point is kingaling does make some good points...Seth is far from a perfect player and needs to improve...some people are so sensitive on here about seth that anybody from the outside says anything remotely negative they view it as them hating on seth...
I actually had a line that said I was talking to king, but for some reason i deleted it i guess...

I was talking to him... but kind of using the idea in your post but going in a different direction. guess it all came out kinda confusing.
By paradox
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Poor guy's got a sad case of Curry-envy. Unfortunately, at the moment, there is no known cure.
By thepostman
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for the record so people won't get the wrong idea...I do think that Seth does deserve to be 1st team....and it is odd he was left off...BUT I am so happy for anthony smith...he is valuable to this team and our success...its not just scoring its all the little things he does...he just is so much better then I think a lot of us even realize...

I guess the reason why I am not so upset and bent out of shape like some on here is the fact he is a freshmen..he will get his time to shine and maybe he can use this for even more motivation to get better and better....
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By LCA&LU Mom
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flamerbob wrote:
LCA&LU Mom wrote:
kingaling42 wrote:Unlike you guys- I have NEVER once said that Reid deserved to on the First team- so don't act like that's my reasons for having an opinion on Curry that he has work to improve upon.. I'm far more critical on our guys than you would believe..

For the record I hope Curry doesn't improve his other game- he'll still win awards down the road- but your team will not be as good as they can be- that's fine by me as well since you're all so content that Baby Jesus is perfect...
Kingaling,
You can voice your opinion all you want, but it offends me when you use Jesus' name as you have done a couple of times. Would you mind not doing that any more? Please and thanks.
To defend Kingaling, this name was started by some of our own Mom
My apologies to Kingaling. But it still offends me, whoever started it. I guess it was meant to be humorous.
By SuperJon
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I started it as a joke making fun of everyone before the season who had pegged Seth to come in and automatically be the savior of Liberty basketball before he ever stepped foot on campus. Then it just became a revolving joke that we kept going.
By Chris Lang
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Brolin Floyd is nowhere close to being a good defensive player right now.
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By Rooster Cogburn
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LCA&LU Mom wrote:
flamerbob wrote:
LCA&LU Mom wrote: Kingaling,
You can voice your opinion all you want, but it offends me when you use Jesus' name as you have done a couple of times. Would you mind not doing that any more? Please and thanks.
To defend Kingaling, this name was started by some of our own Mom
My apologies to Kingaling. But it still offends me, whoever started it. I guess it was meant to be humorous.
Glad to see someoneelse on here actually care about this kind of stuff.
By UNCA Alum
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Another UNCA fan here. King is my boy, but we disagree on some things. I think:

1) Seth Curry and Amir Johnson should have been first team.
2) Anthony Smith and Joey Lynch Flower should have been second team.

I also do not think that there is a huge media conspiracy against Liberty. Who was picked preseason player of the year?

The people that vote for these awards are just as stubborn as the people posting on these forums. They don't like admitting when they are wrong. While most of us would agree that it shouldn't play a factor, their picks for preseason honors absolutely have an impact on who they vote for five months later.


Scar - what's up man. Caught a few Liberty games this year on the Edge just so I could hear ya do the color. Outside of Brendan from UNCA, you are definitely the best in the Big South.

Loved you in the second half of our game at the Vines. SEAN SMITH IS OFFICIALLY ON FIRE!!
By SuperJon
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UNCA Alum wrote: 1) Seth Curry and Amir Johnson should have been first team.
2) Anthony Smith and Joey Lynch Flower should have been second team.
We have a winner.
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