If roundball is your blood, this is the place to discuss the Flames as they move into the Ritchie McKay era for the 2nd time.
By ballcoach15
#552056 I have probably been to more Liberty athletic events the past 2 seasons than anyone on this board. 90 softball games, every home football game but 2, numerous baseball games, along with some basketball games. I have more contacts than just 1 person. They range from the top to the bottom. And I do mean the top.

Contacts can be substituted for sources.
By thepostman
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ballcoach15 wrote:I have probably been to more Liberty athletic events the past 2 seasons than anyone on this board. 90 softball games, every home football game but 2, numerous baseball games, along with some basketball games. I have more contacts than just 1 person. They range from the top to the bottom. And I do mean the top.

Contacts can be substituted for sources.


So since your sources are wrong more times than they are right when will you realize they are either not very reliable sources or just enjoy lying to you because you literally believe everything they say?
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By Purple Haize
#552083
thepostman wrote:
ballcoach15 wrote:I have probably been to more Liberty athletic events the past 2 seasons than anyone on this board. 90 softball games, every home football game but 2, numerous baseball games, along with some basketball games. I have more contacts than just 1 person. They range from the top to the bottom. And I do mean the top.

Contacts can be substituted for sources.


So since your sources are wrong more times than they are right when will you realize they are either not very reliable sources or just enjoy lying to you because you literally believe everything they say?


#guli-ballcoach
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By Purple Haize
#552086
cruzan_flame13 wrote:
Jonathan Carone wrote:
cruzan_flame13 wrote:Back to the subject of the thread please.


That’s cute.


No. Never again. Just no.


Bless your heart
By oldflame
#553176
A Sea of Red wrote:Kyle Rode has committed to Liberty

http://www.aseaofred.com/kyle-rode-comm ... ay-flames/


Huge get, and a perfect fit. Focus now turns to landing the PG who can make this class an absolute home run.

BTW, both Kyle and earlier commit Marten Maide played on state championship teams last year.
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By Class of 20Something
#553179
oldflame wrote:
Jonathan Carone wrote:We're starting to get the white Christian school kid on lock.


And your point?


WE HAVE A NICHE
By oldflame
#553180
Class of 20Something wrote:
oldflame wrote:
Jonathan Carone wrote:We're starting to get the white Christian school kid on lock.


And your point?


WE HAVE A NICHE


That was a serious question, and I actually wanted to hear Jon´s answer.

There is no question we are going hard after D1 calibre players from christian schools who not only can ball, but will fit the school and team culture. I really fail to see why their race is worthy of mention.
By oldflame
#553183
cruzan_flame13 wrote:We get Rode instead of Lipscomb! That just made my day Play Basketball


I saw that too, and have to add that even though it is not very relevant any more, it still made me smile to see that Winthrop wanted him too.

On that subject, I do hope we can schedule the occasional non conference game against some of our former BSC rivals like WU, UNCA and of course Radford.
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By flameshaw
#553193
oldflame wrote:
Jonathan Carone wrote:We're starting to get the white Christian school kid on lock.


And your point?


Agree 100%. I wouldn't care if we were an all white team or an all black team. Who freaking cares? As long as they are good kids, play hard and improve every year, that is all that should matter. In a lot of cases, some of the best teams in each state are Christian/private schools. It is not like it used to be, where most Christian/private schools have horrible sports programs. Being concerned about the racial makeup of a team is a total waste to me. Diversity, for the sake of diversity, has never been a positive and never will. The best qualified person for a specific job is always the best alternative, regardless of race, etc.
By jinxy
#553199 Very nice piece to add. Bball now has 2 commits and 1 3 star. Football has 4 commits and 2 3 stars with about 50 more times the offers. Not apples to apples but still kinda sad.
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By Jonathan Carone
#553200
oldflame wrote:
Jonathan Carone wrote:We're starting to get the white Christian school kid on lock.


And your point?


I'm glad to see us start to own that territory. It's the most logical recruiting base for us to go after given our school. We could build a really nice program with those guys at the core.

Edit: I responded before I saw the posts questioning why I brought up race.

Many people think of the white Christian school kid as a stiff, or overrated, or unathletic. They're one of the most overlooked groups of athletes inside college athletics. It's a fertile ground that we can till and become very successful by tapping into it. I think it's a good thing. I also think it's a good thing to get an inner city black kid if he fit our culture. My point in mentioning "white" was not to degrade one or the other. It was simply a descriptor.
By oldflame
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ballcoach15 wrote:As we move to ASUN Conference, I am more concerned about MBB than any other sport. We must recruit better.


As usual, no support for your position. The ASUN is a top-heavy conference in MBB. FGCU and Lipscomb are probably better than anyone in the BSC. The rest of the conference is weak. Worse than the BSC (and FGCU is also looking at a significant rebuilding year). WBB, softball and baseball all will be facing a much stiffer overall challenge in terms of conference competition than MBB.

BTW, MBB just got a committment from a 3 star player that Lipscomb wanted badly. I guess our recruiting may not be all that bad.
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By Cider Jim
#553223 We have this discussion every year, but I forget the answer. What 3-star recruits, besides maybe Carter McMasters, have signed and played basketball for LU in the past?
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By Purple Haize
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ballcoach15 wrote:The support for my position is: NCAA tournament appearances/NCAA tournament wins. It can be found on Liberty University basketball website.


I don’t think ‘Research ‘ means what you think it means....
By oldflame
#553232
Cider Jim wrote:We have this discussion every year, but I forget the answer. What 3-star recruits, besides maybe Carter McMasters, have signed and played basketball for LU in the past?


Not many we signed out of high school. We have one on the current roster in Brendan Newton. Recent past has Brock Gardner, although he was only rated 3 stars by one service.

Transfers who were rated 3 stars coming out of HS include John Dawson, Dwight Brewington and TeeJay Bannister. James Johnson was actually rated 4 stars.
By oldflame
#553234
ballcoach15 wrote:The support for my position is: NCAA tournament appearances/NCAA tournament wins. It can be found on Liberty University basketball website.


As far as NCAA appearences are concerned, both conferences get one automatic bid every year. I am fairly certain that the ASUN and BSC are tied at zero in at large appearences. It is true that the ASUN has had more success in the NCAA tournament, basically all of it by FGCU, which I conceded is a more successful program than any in the BSC. That does not necessarily make the conference tougher, especially since FGCU has lost their HC and their top 7 scorers from last year. Lipscomb, who probably is the favorite to win next year, made their first D1 tournament appearence ever last year and lost to UNC.

The ASUN is much better top to bottom in WBB, baseball and softball than they are in MBB. Just look at the conference RPIs.
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By Cider Jim
#553235 Oldflame, as expected, you are a wealth of knowledge. The only name that I didn't recognize was James Johnson. When did he play for LU?
By oldflame
#553237
ballcoach15 wrote:The support for my position is: NCAA tournament appearances/NCAA tournament wins. It can be found on Liberty University basketball website.


As far as NCAA appearences are concerned, both conferences get one automatic bid every year. I am fairly certain that the ASUN and BSC are tied at zero in MBB at large appearences. It is true that the ASUN has had more success in the NCAA tournament, basically all of it by FGCU, which I conceded is a more successful program than any in the BSC. That does not necessarily make the conference tougher, especially since FGCU has lost their HC and their top 7 scorers from last year. Lipscomb, who probably is the favorite to win next year, made their first D1 tournament appearence ever last year and lost to UNC.

The ASUN is much better top to bottom in WBB, baseball and softball than they are in MBB. Just look at the conference RPIs.
By oldflame
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Cider Jim wrote:Oldflame, as expected, you are a wealth of knowledge. The only name that I didn't recognize was James Johnson. When did he play for LU?


James played just 1 year for LU as a grad transfer in 2014-15. Prior to that he spent a year at UVA and 3 at San Diego St. (one sitting out under transfer rules).
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By Cider Jim
#553239 I had to look him up: James Johnson averaged 17 minutes and 5 points per game.

http://www.liberty.edu/wwwadmin/globals ... 1532_C.HTM
By oldflame
#553240
Cider Jim wrote:I had to look him up: James Johnson averaged 17 minutes and 5 points per game.

http://www.liberty.edu/wwwadmin/globals ... 1532_C.HTM


James is a textbook example of how star ratings in HS do not necessarily translate into success at the college level. His numbers at UVA and SDSU were way lower than that. On the other hand Seth Curry, Larry Blair and Jesse Sanders (to name just a few) were 2 star recruits.
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By flameshaw
#553273 Going by memory, so may not be the best. However, it seems that the Jacksonville Dolphins played UCLA in the finals or semi-finals of the NCAA tournament back in the early 70's. They had 2 seven footers, Artis Gilmore and a guy named Burrows? The UCLA center was Steve Patterson, a white dude, about 6'7" who couldn't jump. Sidney Wicks asked John Wooden to play center that game and ate Artis Gilmore alive. Don't suspect that Jacksonville was in the A-Sun back then, but IF I am correct, that is some pretty good ancient history/accomplishment. 8)
By Chippy
#553276
flameshaw wrote:Going by memory, so may not be the best. However, it seems that the Jacksonville Dolphins played UCLA in the finals or semi-finals of the NCAA tournament back in the early 70's. They had 2 seven footers, Artis Gilmore and a guy named Burrows? The UCLA center was Steve Patterson, a white dude, about 6'7" who couldn't jump. Sidney Wicks asked John Wooden to play center that game and ate Artis Gilmore alive. Don't suspect that Jacksonville was in the A-Sun back then, but IF I am correct, that is some pretty good ancient history/accomplishment. 8)

Gilmore was 7'2" and Pembroke Burrows was 7 feet - saw the game on TV. UCLA listed Steve Patterson at 6'9" . Saw them play in the Steel Bowl (Pittsburgh) against Pitt with Keith Wilkes, Sydney Wicks et al. Duquesne was actually the team that was suppose to be in the final with UCLA but was upset by a mediocre Pitt team. Duquesne was preseason ranked #5 in the country by Sports Illustrated. They ended up playing Miami (Fla) in the consolation game.
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By flameshaw
#553277
Chippy wrote:
flameshaw wrote:Going by memory, so may not be the best. However, it seems that the Jacksonville Dolphins played UCLA in the finals or semi-finals of the NCAA tournament back in the early 70's. They had 2 seven footers, Artis Gilmore and a guy named Burrows? The UCLA center was Steve Patterson, a white dude, about 6'7" who couldn't jump. Sidney Wicks asked John Wooden to play center that game and ate Artis Gilmore alive. Don't suspect that Jacksonville was in the A-Sun back then, but IF I am correct, that is some pretty good ancient history/accomplishment. 8)

Gilmore was 7'2" and Pembroke Burrows was 7 feet - saw the game on TV. UCLA listed Steve Patterson at 6'9" . Saw them play in the Steel Bowl (Pittsburgh) against Pitt with Keith Wilkes, Sydney Wicks et al. Duquesne was actually the team that was suppose to be in the final with UCLA but was upset by a mediocre Pitt team. Duquesne was preseason ranked #5 in the country by Sports Illustrated. They ended up playing Miami (Fla) in the consolation game.


Glad I wasn't that far off. One of the best basketball games/individual performances I have ever seen. To make things even more impressive, that was back when 32 teams (or less), made the field.
Another interesting tidbit. Artis Gilmore went to Gardner-Webb Junior College before transferring to Jacksonville.
By oldflame
#553293
flameshaw wrote:
Chippy wrote:
flameshaw wrote:Going by memory, so may not be the best. However, it seems that the Jacksonville Dolphins played UCLA in the finals or semi-finals of the NCAA tournament back in the early 70's. They had 2 seven footers, Artis Gilmore and a guy named Burrows? The UCLA center was Steve Patterson, a white dude, about 6'7" who couldn't jump. Sidney Wicks asked John Wooden to play center that game and ate Artis Gilmore alive. Don't suspect that Jacksonville was in the A-Sun back then, but IF I am correct, that is some pretty good ancient history/accomplishment. 8)

Gilmore was 7'2" and Pembroke Burrows was 7 feet - saw the game on TV. UCLA listed Steve Patterson at 6'9" . Saw them play in the Steel Bowl (Pittsburgh) against Pitt with Keith Wilkes, Sydney Wicks et al. Duquesne was actually the team that was suppose to be in the final with UCLA but was upset by a mediocre Pitt team. Duquesne was preseason ranked #5 in the country by Sports Illustrated. They ended up playing Miami (Fla) in the consolation game.




Glad I wasn't that far off. One of the best basketball games/individual performances I have ever seen. To make things even more impressive, that was back when 32 teams (or less), made the field.
Another interesting tidbit. Artis Gilmore went to Gardner-Webb Junior College before transferring to Jacksonville.


Chippy, was that the Duquesne team with the Nelson Twins, Jarrod Durham, Billy Zopf, etc.?
By oldflame
#553296 Back to the 2019 recruiting class. We have one scholarship remaining as things stand now. Per verbalcommits, we have 5 offers out.

http://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/liberty

I think it´s safe to say that with the committments we have from Rode and Marten Maide, the 2 shooting guards are probably now off the table. That leaves 3 point guards to fill what will be an upcoming need. Continuing the previous conversation, all 3 are enrolled in Christian schools. I would be happy to sign any of them, but I really like Caleb Mills from Asheville, NC. He is bigger/longer and I believe can do more things. An added bonus is it would be another recruiting win over Lipscomb. 8)
By oldflame
#553297
oldflame wrote:Back to the 2019 recruiting class. We have one scholarship remaining as things stand now. Per verbalcommits, we have 5 offers out. I notified them of Rode´s commit, but they haven´t updated it yet.

http://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/liberty

I think it´s safe to say that with the committments we have from Rode and Marten Maide, the 2 shooting guards are probably now off the table. That leaves 3 point guards to fill what will be an upcoming need. Continuing the previous conversation, all 3 are enrolled in Christian schools. I would be happy to sign any of them, but I really like Caleb Mills from Asheville, NC. He is bigger/longer and I believe can do more things. An added bonus is it would be another recruiting win over Lipscomb. 8)
By oldflame
#553298
oldflame wrote:
oldflame wrote:Back to the 2019 recruiting class. We have one scholarship remaining as things stand now. Per verbalcommits, we have 5 offers out. I notified them of Rode´s commit, but they haven´t updated it yet.

http://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/liberty

I think it´s safe to say that with the committments we have from Rode and Marten Maide, the 2 shooting guards are probably now off the table. That leaves 3 point guards to fill what will be an upcoming need. Continuing the previous conversation, all 3 are enrolled in Christian schools. I would be happy to sign any of them, but I really like Caleb Mills from Asheville, NC. He is bigger/longer and I believe can do more things. An added bonus is it would be another recruiting win over Lipscomb. 8)
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By cruzan_flame13
#553299
oldflame wrote:Back to the 2019 recruiting class. We have one scholarship remaining as things stand now. Per verbalcommits, we have 5 offers out.

http://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/liberty

I think it´s safe to say that with the committments we have from Rode and Marten Maide, the 2 shooting guards are probably now off the table. That leaves 3 point guards to fill what will be an upcoming need. Continuing the previous conversation, all 3 are enrolled in Christian schools. I would be happy to sign any of them, but I really like Caleb Mills from Asheville, NC. He is bigger/longer and I believe can do more things. An added bonus is it would be another recruiting win over Lipscomb. 8)


This is a big decision between the three, but I would prefer Caleb Mills as well. What I also like about him is his ball handling. It's great to see that other good basketball programs that offer him like Cincinnati, UNCG and George Mason.
By oldflame
#553300 I don´t know what our chances are with Mills. We offered him early, and as you pointed out, he has since gotten offers from several good programs. It may be telling that we recently offered both Hellums and McBride. How awesome would it be though, before playing our first ASUN game, to announce our presence by beating out the defending champions and pre-season favorites for 2 key recruits.
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By cruzan_flame13
#553301 That would be great and could spark a little tension which may possibly develop a rivalry lol. Is it weird though that it has been quiet on the recruiting end for Mills or am I just unaware of any information on him? It has been awhile since I've heard anything about the prospect.
By oldflame
#553304
cruzan_flame13 wrote:That would be great and could spark a little tension which may possibly develop a rivalry lol. Is it weird though that it has been quiet on the recruiting end for Mills or am I just unaware of any information on him? It has been awhile since I've heard anything about the prospect.


Most recent thing I have heard is that Houston is now in the mix, although no announced offer yet.
By jinxy
#553310 So are we playing mcghee as 2 primarily or is he more like cabbil? If hes going to be primarily a 2 then we need a real hit at pg.
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By cruzan_flame13
#553311
oldflame wrote:
cruzan_flame13 wrote:That would be great and could spark a little tension which may possibly develop a rivalry lol. Is it weird though that it has been quiet on the recruiting end for Mills or am I just unaware of any information on him? It has been awhile since I've heard anything about the prospect.


Most recent thing I have heard is that Houston is now in the mix, although no announced offer yet.


I can see why Houston is taking a look at him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROo1kb-aLMo