If roundball is your blood, this is the place to discuss the Flames as they move into the Ritchie McKay era for the 2nd time.
By olldflame
#547310 Nothing official but Tod Shanesy, who tweets Wofford sports stuff, says they will be playing us in Lynchburg.

https://twitter.com/TerrierTracker/stat ... 5965478912

He has been saying all along that Wofford is not going to host. If he is correct on that, apparently the CIT was pretty hard up for teams this year and had to take at least one who did not want to pay a hosting fee. Between that and only having 20 teams (necessitating a ludicrous number of byes) It looks to me like the tournament may be on shaky ground going forward. Hope not. It would be a shame to lose it IMHO.
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By olldflame
#547313
ballcoach15 wrote:They should eliminate a hosting fee.


Easy for you to say. I doubt they would be able to generate enough funds from other sources to operate without it.
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By Purple Haize
#547315
ballcoach15 wrote:They should eliminate a hosting fee.


They money need
By olldflame
#547316
Purple Haize wrote:
ballcoach15 wrote:They should eliminate a hosting fee.


They money need


Thanks for the translation.
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By prototype
#547317
olldflame wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:
ballcoach15 wrote:They should eliminate a hosting fee.


They money need


Thanks for the translation.


or

Translation the for thanks.
By olldflame
#547319 Wofford is good, and has been for several years. RPI is 127, Kenpom 155. Their coach has been there a long time and I have heard has turned down offers for better paying jobs. If this is the matchup, beat these guys and I like our chances to run the table. Lots of common opponents. They lost to UNCA by 20 early on and 3 times to UNCG (only one was close) and beat HP. We lost in triple OT to UNCG, went 2-1 against UNCA and 1-1 againstr HP. Hopefully we will have everybody dressed and Georgie will come out of his funk.
By olldflame
#547320
ballcoach15 wrote:I believe Wollford beat North Carolina earlier this season.


Yes, but to clarify, they only beat NC-Chapel Hill. They lost to NC-Asheville by 20 and 3 times to NC-Greensboro.
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By R i
#547323 Mckay said on post game that we would be on the road.
By olldflame
#547324
R i wrote:Mckay said on post game that we would be on the road.


He said he thought we would because we hosted twice last year. With the Wofford guy saying they won't be hosting, I'm thinking that there may be other teams in the same situation who were accepted on the condition they would not host and thus not pay, leaving the schools who have no problem paying (US!) to host. Just a theory.
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By LUminary
#547325 Mike Young is a sharp coach, and he always gets a lot out of his personnel. Good guy, too. BTW, he's a Radford native.
By olldflame
#547341 Sorry, I erroneously posted this earlier in the NC A&T thread, but Wofford is in fact hosting Central Michigan, which means we will be playing either Sam Houston State, Portland State or Northern Colorado, and probably on the road. I guess we know what Sly is pulling for. :cheerleader
By olldflame
#547351
A Sea of Red wrote:Portland State is playing at San Diego


Which makes a lot of sense, although it's still a pretty long trip. That means it will be either Sam Houston or Northern CO.
By walksports
#547385 Definitely would love for it to be at Sam Houston State University. Would be a 40-minute drive up Interstate 45 to support the Flames. I've been constantly tweeting the Conroe newspaper about Kemrite. I think since he played for a homeschool program here that he gets overlooked by his local press.
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By Sly Fox
#547400 The Conroe paper has trouble even acknowledging CISD schools (do they even know Caney Creek exists?). But thanks for holding them accountable.

The Sam AD lives a couple of blocks from me and buys AdvoCare products from my wife. I'll check to see if I can get the scoop. I suspect the game would be played in Lynchburg if they match up since Sam's budget is generally rather tight. But the Flames played in Huntsville a few years back in a Thanksgiving Tournament.

Here are the remain games to decide who goes where:

    WEDNESDAY MARCH 14
    Saint Francis PA (18-12) @ UIC (17-15) 7:00 EST
    Niagara (19-13) @ Eastern Michigan (21-12) 7:00 EST
    Lamar (19-13) @ UTSA (19-14) 8:00 EST

    THURSDAY MARCH 15
    Coach John McLendon Classic
    UL Monroe (16-15) @ Austin Peay (18-14) 8:00 EST

Teams in bold are nearby Sam and would likely be their next opponent. Lamar is a conference rival so if they were to win in San Antonio I am guessing there would be an effort to avoid matching them up. UTSA & Louisiana-Monroe are former conference rivals and would make a nice matchup for the Bearkats if they get through.
By walksports
#547410 Guess I got the impression that the winners of the Classic games would play the four teams that got a bye.

I used to write a running and triathlon column for about five years for The Courier under a former publisher who is now the PR person for County Judge Craig Doyal. As I stopped, I got to know Jon Poorman when he came out to cover The Woodlands Marathon. And, yes, they still do need to be prodded.
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By g-webb1994
#547416 CIT needs to get a clue and make a bracket like the NIT and CBI. Speaking of which, hopefully Campbell can keep the good Big South postseason showing going tonight. UNCA really should have won at Southern Cal last night.
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By Sly Fox
#547422 I am not so sure it is that cut & dried. UTSA beat Lamar tonight and I suspect that could wind up being Sam's 2nd round opponent.
By walksports
#547431 I saw Sam Houston's exit from the Southland Conference tournament on Saturday in Katy.

A player got a technical, then when the Bearkats' HC asked the referee what the player said he got teed up. It turned out to be a 6-point play for Southeastern Louisiana and swung the momentum and the lead in favor of the Lions.

Sam Houston's release stated that they "have played five games in the CIT, all at Johnson Coliseum. The Bearkats have a record of 2-3 in the tournament, winning opening round games in 2014 (Alabama State) and 2015 (UNC-Wilmington)."
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By Sly Fox
#547442 Everyone seems to think we are playing Sam this weekend but it hasn't been announced by anyone. Here is what is posted on the CIT website:

The 2018 CollegeInsider.com Postseason Tournament
All Times EST

FIRST & SECOND ROUND

MONDAY, March 12th - THE CLASSIC

Hugh Durham Classic - CBS Sports Network
Central Michigan 94, Fort Wayne 89

Lou Henson Classic - CBS Sports Network
Drake 80, Abilene Christian 73

Jim Phelan Classic - CBS Sports Network
Liberty 65, North Carolina A&T 52

Riley Wallace Classic - CBS Sports Network
San Diego 88, Hartford 72

WEDNESDAY MARCH 14 Scoreboard
Eastern Michigan 83, Niagara 65
UIC 84, Saint Francis PA 61
UTSA 76, Lamar 69

THURSDAY MARCH 15
Coach John McLendon Classic [CBS DIGITAL]
UL Monroe (16-15) @ Austin Peay (18-14) 8:00 EST

FRIDAY MARCH 16
Central Michigan (20-14) @ Wofford (21-12) 7:00 EST [CBS DIGITAL]

SATURDAY MARCH 17
Portland State (20-13) @ San Diego (19-13) 7:00 EST [CBS DIGITAL]

SUNDAY MARCH 18
Drake (17-16) @ Northern Colorado (22-12) TBD [CBS DIGITAL]




QUARTERFINALS
March 22-25

SEMIFINALS
March 28
7:00 PM EST on CBS Sports Network
9:00 PM EST on CBS Sports Network

CHAMPIONSHIP
March 30
7:00 PM EST on CBS Sports Network
By olldflame
#547446 They have made changes to that page. Originally, it clearly stated that the winners of the (then) 4 "classics" would play the teams with first round byes. They later removed that statement and also added a 5th classic McLendon. The 3 matchups so far correspond with the original statement; classic winners with bye teams. I guess since we haven't heard, they could now match up the winner of the McLendon classic tonight (either UL Monroe or Austin Peay) with Sam. That would actually be great for us, because it would give us a bye to the quarters.

The format is a mess because they were hoping for 32 teams (or at least 26 like the past 2 years) and only got 20. Hope I'm wrong, but the future of this tourney does not look bright to me.
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By olldflame
#547449 Just an educated guess, but I see absolutely no reason for the CIT to wait to announce it if they were planning to match US with Sam as opposed to the Winner of tonights game, and I really don't see how who wins makes much difference. I'm thinking our chances are very good for a bye, which considering our injury issues, would be GREAT.
By thepostman
#547456 I don't understand why there isn't a bracket. I get they are trying to get the host to pony up money but there shouldn't be this much guessing going into trying to figure out who we will play next in a tournament.
By olldflame
#547458
thepostman wrote:I don't understand why there isn't a bracket. I get they are trying to get the host to pony up money but there shouldn't be this much guessing going into trying to figure out who we will play next in a tournament.


Most of that is due to the strange number of teams and all the resulting byes.
By olldflame
#547459
Chris Lang wrote:This tournament is so poorly run.


They really need to rethink things and make changes for next year that will allow them to fill out a 32 team field. Perhaps reduce the hosting fee and aggressively pursue alternative funding. Maybe sponsorships that would be contingent on them having a 32 team field and 5 full rounds. Either that or just go with 16, which would be really weak.
By thepostman
#547461
olldflame wrote:
thepostman wrote:I don't understand why there isn't a bracket. I get they are trying to get the host to pony up money but there shouldn't be this much guessing going into trying to figure out who we will play next in a tournament.


Most of that is due to the strange number of teams and all the resulting byes.


But there still should be a bracket of some kind.
By walksports
#547462 So once the UL Monroe/Austin Peay game is played, they'll be down to 12 teams:

Wofford
Central Michigan
Drake
Northern Colorado
San Diego
Portland State
Liberty
Sam Houston State
UIC
Eastern Michigan
UTSA
UL Monroe/Austin Peay winner

To have quarterfinals, they have to lose four teams. They'll lose three from the games already scheduled - Central Michigan/Wofford, Drake/Northern Colorado and San Diego/Portland.

I think if UL Monroe beats Austin Peay, they'll send UL Monroe to play at Sam Houston State and Eastern Michigan, UIC, Liberty and UTSA would all join them in the quarterfinals.

If Austin Peay wins, would they send Austin Peay to play Liberty and Sam Houston go all the way to the quarters?
By olldflame
#547463
walksports wrote:So once the UL Monroe/Austin Peay game is played, they'll be down to 12 teams:

Wofford
Central Michigan
Drake
Northern Colorado
San Diego
Portland State
Liberty
Sam Houston State
UIC
Eastern Michigan
UTSA
UL Monroe/Austin Peay winner

To have quarterfinals, they have to lose four teams. They'll lose three from the games already scheduled - Central Michigan/Wofford, Drake/Northern Colorado and San Diego/Portland.

I think if UL Monroe beats Austin Peay, they'll send UL Monroe to play at Sam Houston State and Eastern Michigan, UIC, Liberty and UTSA would all join them in the quarterfinals.

If Austin Peay wins, would they send Austin Peay to play Liberty and Sam Houston go all the way to the quarters?


No way do they give any team a bye all the way to the quarterfinals. That would make a travesty (or maybe I should say More of a travesty) of the entire tournament. 12 teams is what they need, 4 of the first round winners will will get byes to the quarters and the other 8 (including all 4 of the first round bye teams) will play for the other 4 quarterfinal spots.
By walksports
#547464 Didn't say it was right, made sense, etc., but if they're trying to limit travel as much as possible, I'd say that anything is on the table.

I tweeted at Angela Lento, @collegeinsider, but haven't had a reply (nor do I really expect one ... but I tried.)
By olldflame
#547465
thepostman wrote:I don't understand why there isn't a bracket. I get they are trying to get the host to pony up money but there shouldn't be this much guessing going into trying to figure out who we will play next in a tournament.


For the record, the NIT really does not have a fixed bracket either. Teams are re-seeded after every round and match-ups are made accordingly. Teams do not know who they will be playing next until the committee announces it.
By olldflame
#547466
walksports wrote:Didn't say it was right, made sense, etc., but if they're trying to limit travel as much as possible, I'd say that anything is on the table.

I tweeted at Angela Lento, @collegeinsider, but haven't had a reply (nor do I really expect one ... but I tried.)


I'm sure they want to save travel costs where possible, but if that were the highest priority, San Diego and Portland State would not even be in the field. Travel costs for visiting teams are supposed to be paid out of the $38,500 hosting fee. That should be more than enough for almost any matchup, and the lower cost of a trip like NC A&T to Liberty can make up for it if a trip out west costs a bit too much. If they want to retain any credibility whatsoever, I really don't think anything is on the table.
By Chris Lang
#547467
olldflame wrote:
thepostman wrote:I don't understand why there isn't a bracket. I get they are trying to get the host to pony up money but there shouldn't be this much guessing going into trying to figure out who we will play next in a tournament.


For the record, the NIT really does not have a fixed bracket either. Teams are re-seeded after every round and match-ups are made accordingly. Teams do not know who they will be playing next until the committee announces it.


This is no longer true. They do four regions, seeded 1-8, straight bracket. If you're the higher seed, you host. (With exceptions if the higher seed's home floor is unavailable.)

https://i.turner.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/external/gametool/brackets/basketball_men_nit_2018.pdf
By olldflame
#547468
Chris Lang wrote:
olldflame wrote:
thepostman wrote:I don't understand why there isn't a bracket. I get they are trying to get the host to pony up money but there shouldn't be this much guessing going into trying to figure out who we will play next in a tournament.


For the record, the NIT really does not have a fixed bracket either. Teams are re-seeded after every round and match-ups are made accordingly. Teams do not know who they will be playing next until the committee announces it.


This is no longer true. They do four regions, seeded 1-8, straight bracket. If you're the higher seed, you host. (With exceptions if the higher seed's home floor is unavailable.)

https://i.turner.ncaa.com/sites/default/files/external/gametool/brackets/basketball_men_nit_2018.pdf


Thanks for the correction Lang. Old information :oldhag
By olldflame
#547469
thepostman wrote:
olldflame wrote:
thepostman wrote:I don't understand why there isn't a bracket. I get they are trying to get the host to pony up money but there shouldn't be this much guessing going into trying to figure out who we will play next in a tournament.


Most of that is due to the strange number of teams and all the resulting byes.


But there still should be a bracket of some kind.


Make one for us. 8)

Where is Medic when we need him?
Come to think of it, where is Medic??????????
By Chris Lang
#547471 [/quote]Thanks for the correction Lang. Old information :oldhag[/quote]

No worries. I'm pretty sure when the NCAA took over the NIT, a few years back, they streamlined the bracketing process. Does make for some awkward short-turnaround trips, like Rider going to Oregon this week to get pasted.
By walksports
#547473 Well ... Eastern Michigan is going to Sam Houston State on Monday night.

Just saw this on gobearkats.com.

http://www.gobearkats.com/ViewArticle.d ... 1521043945

The matchup is set for the Bearkat men’s basketball team. Sam Houston will get second round play in the CollegeInsider.com Tournament on Monday night when they welcome Eastern Michigan to Johnson Coliseum.

The Bearkats (19-14 overall) received a bye in the opening round while Eastern Michigan (22-12) knocked off Niagara on Wednesday night in opening round action.


So maybe that Liberty, UIC, UTSA and the winner of UL Monroe/Austin Peay go to the quarterfinals with the winners of the four other scheduled games: CMU/Wofford, Drake/No. Colorado, San Diego/Portland State and SHSU/EMU.
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By olldflame
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walksports wrote:Well ... Eastern Michigan is going to Sam Houston State on Monday night.

Just saw this on gobearkats.com.

http://www.gobearkats.com/ViewArticle.d ... 1521043945

The matchup is set for the Bearkat men’s basketball team. Sam Houston will get second round play in the CollegeInsider.com Tournament on Monday night when they welcome Eastern Michigan to Johnson Coliseum.

The Bearkats (19-14 overall) received a bye in the opening round while Eastern Michigan (22-12) knocked off Niagara on Wednesday night in opening round action.


Great news for the Flames (if not for Sly, walksports, and our other Texas fans who won't get to see them play there.) We get a bye to the quarters. :clapping :pbjtime

That means at least another full week for Kemrite, Cabbel, Cuffee, and anyone else who may be dinged up to get healthy. The other side of that is it's a pretty long layoff, but we had almost as long between the BSC loss and the first round game and got through that pretty well, even with the injuries.
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By Sly Fox
#547502 It looks like that is how they have worked out the quaterfinals:

    Liberty vs. ?

    Illinois-Chicago vs. ?

    UTSA vs. ?

    Louisiana-Monroe/Austin Peay Winner vs. ?

The 2nd Round Matchups are:

    Central Michigan vs. Wofford

    Portland State vs. San Diego

    Drake vs. North Colorado

    Eastern Michigan vs. Sam Houston State

The Quarterfinals are to be played March 22nd-25th. I would suspect that we would face Wofford if they get through EMU. But in this setup, anything i possible.
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By g-webb1994
#547510 If Wofford loses, then you get stuck with a directional school from Michigan or Drake, which I believe is in Iowa.

Woffords new building is nice, they host UNC next year, hosted USCe to open it. Too bad it is named after and financed by a classless old pervert.
By olldflame
#547513
g-webb1994 wrote:If Wofford loses, then you get stuck with a directional school from Michigan or Drake, which I believe is in Iowa.

Woffords new building is nice, they host UNC next year, hosted USCe to open it. Too bad it is named after and financed by a classless old pervert.


Hey, the Portland State/San Diego winner is going to be playing someone, and when you are flying that far, what's a few hundred miles here or there?
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By Sly Fox
#547540 It is on the official site as well. Being willing to to host takes a lot of the challenges out of the process for us.
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By Purple Haize
#547569
Chris Lang wrote:Chance for a Flames-Flames matchup is still alive!


Sounds gay