If roundball is your blood, this is the place to discuss the Flames as they move into the Ritchie McKay era for the 2nd time.
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By Sly Fox
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University of Maryland - Eastern Shore
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Bobby Collins
4th Season as Head Coach



2017-2018 Schedule/Results

    11/02 - Christopher Newport ..................................... W 61-58
    11/10 - Valley Forge ................................................... W 95-69

    Emerald Coast Classic Opening Rounds
    11/12 - @ Maryland ................................................... L 96-43

    11/18 - @ Georgetown ............................................... L 83-57

    Emerald Coast Classic Late Rounds
    11/20 - @ St. Bonaventure ......................................... L 96-48
    11/24 - vs. Jackson State ........................................... W 66-63
    11/25 - vs. Tennessee Tech ......................................... L 90-60

    11/27 - @ ODU ........................................................... L 83-44
    12/02 - American ....................................................... W 74-70
    12/04 - @ Duquesne .................................................. L 86-61
    12/08 - @ Liberty ....................................................... 7:00 p.m. ET


Key Player

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    #1 Miryne Thomas
    6' 8" 190 lbs Freshman Forward
    In 7 Games: Averaging 12.4 Pts & 5.4 Rebs + 46.9 FG%
By jinxy
#542312 Should get at least 3 of next 4. With this game and non d1 game. We should either beat fort wayne or if we lose we would face alabama state i believe who is 0 and 8. La tech would be a tough one should we beat fort wayne.
By Chris Lang
#542321 Wrote a lot of stories about Ace Custis when I was in school ... I see he's going by Adrian now. Helped Tech break a long NCAA Tournament drought. Good dude.
By 47/5-2
#542325 One of my all time favorite LU Basketball games involved Ace Custis when we were there in 96/97. It was a back and forth game and I believe the Hokies were ranked mid-range top 25 when we met that season in that airplane loft of an arena. They stuck the visitor seats (a healthy group of 200 or so) up in the very top corner. When we took the lead mid-way thru the second half we began to chant "over rated"... the home team students quickly rebuffed us with "never rated". Those were the glory years of LU basketball when we really could play with anyone outside the top 10 or so programs in the country on any given night. I've always felt that 96-97 team was the most talented team in LU history. My one knock would be that it wasn't a deep team... but 1 thru 7 or so they were about as good as it has ever been for LU. Atmosphere back then for home games was legit too. Wish the students today could be transported to a home game during that era.
By Chris Lang
#542326 I can vouch for that. When I worked for the CT at Tech, I came over for a Tech-Liberty game and was stunned by the crowd. Absolutely packed to the rafters and loud. The Hokies won that night, but I came away impressed.
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By Cider Jim
#542329 No surprise there. What else is there to do in Blacksburg? :wink:
By olldflame
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47/5-2 wrote:One of my all time favorite LU Basketball games involved Ace Custis when we were there in 96/97. It was a back and forth game and I believe the Hokies were ranked mid-range top 25 when we met that season in that airplane loft of an arena. They stuck the visitor seats (a healthy group of 200 or so) up in the very top corner. When we took the lead mid-way thru the second half we began to chant "over rated"... the home team students quickly rebuffed us with "never rated". Those were the glory years of LU basketball when we really could play with anyone outside the top 10 or so programs in the country on any given night. I've always felt that 96-97 team was the most talented team in LU history. My one knock would be that it wasn't a deep team... but 1 thru 7 or so they were about as good as it has ever been for LU. Atmosphere back then for home games was legit too. Wish the students today could be transported to a home game during that era.


The 96-97 team may well have been our most talented ever, but they did not beat the Hokies. We lost to them in the Vines that year. That would be the game Lang referenced. The game you are talking about was in 93, and for all I know I may have been sitting next to you. Nwosu was more than the Hokies could handle that night, but the officials were another matter, and his minutes were limited by foul trouble. Hildo and Parrish Hickman were great. The atmosphere was exactly as you said. Our first win over VT, and one of my top 10 Liberty sports memories for sure.
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By Sly Fox
#542332 Where is Scar for this discussion? My guess is in his virtual second home of Murfreesboro.

We did have crazy athleticism on that squad. It should also be noted that there was a heavy Texan influence. Just sayin'.
By ALAFlamesFan
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olldflame wrote:
47/5-2 wrote:One of my all time favorite LU Basketball games involved Ace Custis when we were there in 96/97. It was a back and forth game and I believe the Hokies were ranked mid-range top 25 when we met that season in that airplane loft of an arena. They stuck the visitor seats (a healthy group of 200 or so) up in the very top corner. When we took the lead mid-way thru the second half we began to chant "over rated"... the home team students quickly rebuffed us with "never rated". Those were the glory years of LU basketball when we really could play with anyone outside the top 10 or so programs in the country on any given night. I've always felt that 96-97 team was the most talented team in LU history. My one knock would be that it wasn't a deep team... but 1 thru 7 or so they were about as good as it has ever been for LU. Atmosphere back then for home games was legit too. Wish the students today could be transported to a home game during that era.


The 96-97 team may well have been our most talented ever, but they did not beat the Hokies. We lost to them in the Vines that year. That would be the game Lang referenced. The game you are talking about was in 93, and for all I know I may have been sitting next to you. Nwosu was more than the Hokies could handle that night, but the officials were another matter, and his minutes were limited by foul trouble. Hildo and Parrish Hickman were great. The atmosphere was exactly as you said. Our first win over VT, and one of my top 10 Liberty sports memories for sure.



I was also at that game at VT and the one Lang mentioned at the Vines. This is the first year since the mid 90's that it feels like we might win any given night. I've been waiting 20 years for us to take a step forward beyond those teams. I think in the next couple of years we will. I wish the current students knew what a home court advantage they can make in the Vines. I remember a Radford game in this era where we rattled their coach so bad in the 1st 10 minutes that he called a TO and crossed the court to complain about us directly to Jerry. Good times.
By 47/5-2
#542343 No, the game i was referencing was not the game at Liberty. I simply was one year off. It was the 95-96 season and it was at Tech. Final score was 56-53. The 96-97 team was better... but the 95-96 was no slouch. I should have remembered it was 95-96 because Barry Taylor was still playing. Anyway, there were about 47 players by the last name of Jackson on that Tech team... and one very good Ace Custis, that i believe we held way under his normal output.
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By flameshaw
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ALAFlamesFan wrote:
olldflame wrote:
47/5-2 wrote:One of my all time favorite LU Basketball games involved Ace Custis when we were there in 96/97. It was a back and forth game and I believe the Hokies were ranked mid-range top 25 when we met that season in that airplane loft of an arena. They stuck the visitor seats (a healthy group of 200 or so) up in the very top corner. When we took the lead mid-way thru the second half we began to chant "over rated"... the home team students quickly rebuffed us with "never rated". Those were the glory years of LU basketball when we really could play with anyone outside the top 10 or so programs in the country on any given night. I've always felt that 96-97 team was the most talented team in LU history. My one knock would be that it wasn't a deep team... but 1 thru 7 or so they were about as good as it has ever been for LU. Atmosphere back then for home games was legit too. Wish the students today could be transported to a home game during that era.


The 96-97 team may well have been our most talented ever, but they did not beat the Hokies. We lost to them in the Vines that year. That would be the game Lang referenced. The game you are talking about was in 93, and for all I know I may have been sitting next to you. Nwosu was more than the Hokies could handle that night, but the officials were another matter, and his minutes were limited by foul trouble. Hildo and Parrish Hickman were great. The atmosphere was exactly as you said. Our first win over VT, and one of my top 10 Liberty sports memories for sure.



I was also at that game at VT and the one Lang mentioned at the Vines. This is the first year since the mid 90's that it feels like we might win any given night. I've been waiting 20 years for us to take a step forward beyond those teams. I think in the next couple of years we will. I wish the current students knew what a home court advantage they can make in the Vines. I remember a Radford game in this era where we rattled their coach so bad in the 1st 10 minutes that he called a TO and crossed the court to complain about us directly to Jerry. Good times.


I was at that game. It was during the good years. The coach was complaining about some cheer the fans/students were chanting. I think it had the word "boy" in it and somehow he thought it was racial, even though the crowd said it for the white players too. He also didn't have any problem with it, until we took the lead and it was pretty clear we were going to win the game. The atmosphere back then was electric. I used to drive 2 1/2 hours each way to watch those games, even on the weekday nights. Vines was pretty much packed out for every game and LOUD.
By 47/5-2
#542345 Sly - you are right about the athleticism and the heavy Texas influence. Can you imagine if one of your Texas cohorts would have ever spent a minute adding some muscle??? He really was a special player. It's a shame the coaching staff really didn't seem to have much offensive creativity. However, the most athletic player on that 96-97 team i don't believe was from Texas...
By olldflame
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47/5-2 wrote:No, the game i was referencing was not the game at Liberty. I simply was one year off. It was the 95-96 season and it was at Tech. Final score was 56-53. The 96-97 team was better... but the 95-96 was no slouch. I should have remembered it was 95-96 because Barry Taylor was still playing. Anyway, there were about 47 players by the last name of Jackson on that Tech team... and one very good Ace Custis, that i believe we held way under his normal output.


For the record, we LOST the game at Cassel in 95-96. Our only 3 wins over the Hokies in MBB all came on the road, the one I referenced in 93, and amazingly, the other 2 were back to back Hanky wins. Those were dark days for Hokie hoops.
By olldflame
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47/5-2 wrote:Sly - you are right about the athleticism and the heavy Texas influence. Can you imagine if one of your Texas cohorts would have ever spent a minute adding some muscle??? He really was a special player. It's a shame the coaching staff really didn't seem to have much offensive creativity. However, the most athletic player on that 96-97 team i don't believe was from Texas...


Not sure who you are referring to, but I don't recall anyone on that team I would say was more athletic than Marcus White. At 6'1", we ran ally-oop plays for him, and he frequently finished with dunks, plus horizontally he was lightning quick as well. If he had been healthy for the BSC final, we would have gone dancing that year.
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By Sly Fox
#542350 47/5-2 - HaHa For the record the Texan you are referencing used to post on this board years ago as GOAT. Once again, where is Scar in this conversation? He eats up these threads.
By 47/5-2
#542353 Oldflame -

Yes, you are correct that we lost that game. Sorry, i should have clarified that.

As far as more athletic... I was a huge Marcus White fan. I think he is one of the top 5 talents to EVER play at Liberty. However, the player i am referring to I believe was from N.C., had a prototypical NBA build, could jump out of the gym, and no one called him by his first name.
By olldflame
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47/5-2 wrote:Oldflame -

Yes, you are correct that we lost that game. Sorry, i should have clarified that.

As far as more athletic... I was a huge Marcus White fan. I think he is one of the top 5 talents to EVER play at Liberty. However, the player i am referring to I believe was from N.C., had a prototypical NBA build, could jump out of the gym, and no one called him by his first name.


Boo Graham. Athletic for his size (6'7" and about 225) to be sure. Che' Lugo was also a greyhound at 6'9", but if you are defining athleticism in terms of quickness, speed and hops, I would say Marcus had it over both of them. Sadly, all 3 were dismissed from the team for disciplinary and academic problems following the season, which was a major factor in Meyer losing his job. Despite his talent, Lugo was a huge recruiting mistake, and the guy who pushed HARD for us to take him TWICE was NOT named Jeff Meyer.

I want to add that one of the most exciting things about the current direction of the program is that they are on the verge of duplicating or maybe exceeding the success of those days on the court, and (to the best of my knowledge) they are doing it without any of those off the court issues.
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By Cider Jim
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ALAFlamesFan wrote:I remember a Radford game in this era where we rattled their coach so bad in the 1st 10 minutes that he called a TO and crossed the court to complain about us directly to Jerry. Good times.

TF loves telling that story!
By olldflame
#542363 [quote="flameshaw)

I was at that game. It was during the good years. The coach was complaining about some cheer the fans/students were chanting. I think it had the word "boy" in it and somehow he thought it was racial, even though the crowd said it for the white players too. He also didn't have any problem with it, until we took the lead and it was pretty clear we were going to win the game. The atmosphere back then was electric. I used to drive 2 1/2 hours each way to watch those games, even on the weekday nights. Vines was pretty much packed out for every game and LOUD.[/quote]

The chant was "You boy, you boy, you, you, you" directed at any opposing player called for a foul, and of course had no racist intent whatsoever. A lot of student sections were using it that year. Bradley was a pioneer snowflake. If I recall however, we did stop using it shortly thereafter.
By ALAFlamesFan
#542366 That was the cheer. We had several of them and a pretty coordinated cheering section. Forerunner to the LUnatics? Also, Dot-Man, forerunner to McCracken.

I hope today's students discover the joy of a great college basketball student section. You can have such a greater impact on the game of basketball than you can football.
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By Jonathan Carone
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ALAFlamesFan wrote:I hope today's students discover the joy of a great college basketball student section. Yoy can have such a greater impact on the game of basketball than you can football.


This all day long. We had so much more fun at basketball games than football.
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By Cider Jim
#542369 You guys even made the cover of the Liberty Journal back in the day!
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By Purple Haize
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ballcoach15 wrote:TF has probably seen more LU athletic events than anyone . I think he's only missed 2 home football games in LU history.


#bromance
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By BJWilliams
#542389 Its really going to take something organic to get anything even closely resembling what Jon, Bryson, JDUB et al had going in the student section at both football and basketball games (I think the high watermark for how crazy it was at basketball games during that era was the Niagara game...Jon, want to talk about that one?)
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By Sly Fox
#542390 It may have been even more intense in the Late '90s. But today's students don't crave that atmosphere with other distractions these days.
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By BJWilliams
#542391 Agreed...I don't think even getting on ESPN or FS1 would really create that same level of crazy (from your era or the LUnatics era)
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By Purple Haize
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Sly Fox wrote:It may have been even more intense in the Late '90s. But today's students don't crave that atmosphere with other distractions these days.


The Late 90’s were definitely the high water mark. But LU was also a ‘Basketball School’ at the time
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By Jonathan Carone
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BJWilliams wrote:Its really going to take something organic to get anything even closely resembling what Jon, Bryson, JDUB et al had going in the student section at both football and basketball games (I think the high watermark for how crazy it was at basketball games during that era was the Niagara game...Jon, want to talk about that one?)


That’s probably not even a top ten game for me. I’m actually not sure what you’re referencing.
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By BJWilliams
#542412 The Niagara game in Vines where the LUnatics and the students got so loud they ended up getting a technical (Niagara I mean)
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By Jonathan Carone
#542415 I think I remember that one. My favorites (in no order):

CSU Buckwheat
Presby’s Little Lamb
Thank you Sonya at VMI
Transfer Omar/Typical Liberty vs CSU
Valentines Day 1 & 2 vs Winthrop
Getting threatened by Ali Ton vs Radford
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By BJWilliams
#542416 I think I was at the Buckwheat game...that was some of yall's best work on the basketball side
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By R i
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Jonathan Carone wrote:Getting threatened by Ali Ton vs Radford


I do not remember the details, but wasnt he upset about a "your momma" joke. His mother had just passed or something sad.

It was not mean spirited, but super unfortunate from what I remember.
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By Jonathan Carone
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R i wrote:
Jonathan Carone wrote:Getting threatened by Ali Ton vs Radford


I do not remember the details, but wasnt he upset about a "your momma" joke. His mother had just passed or something sad.

It was not mean spirited, but super unfortunate from what I remember.


That was the apex of that night. We'd had a ton of fun in general the entire game because it was Radford. Then right before the game ended, one of our girls saw a guy had a tattoo that was something about his mom. She told him his mom called and said she was proud of him after he'd committed a foul or a turnover or something. He turned around and said "What'd you say?!" So, thinking we were in his head (and not knowing the context), we chanted "Momma" when he shot a free throw. After the game Ali Ton told us we should leave before he came out because he couldn't stop him from coming in the stands after us. Then he told us his mom had died a few years earlier. We tried to apologize but emotions were too high for anyone to hear that.

I hate that it happened but it made that night more memorable that we ever imagined it would be.
By 47/5-2
#542440 Oldflame -

I would include in my definition of "athletic" a lean muscular build... the term muscular was never used to describe Marcus. Also, there are numerous 6 foot 1 ballers out there that are within range of the speed, quickness, and vertical Marcus had.... there are not nearly as many at Boo's size. We all know a plethora of 6 foot 7 and up guys who we have said to ourselves, "if only i had his size..." We say that because they aren't fluid or athletic in the least. So i generally will call someone on the larger side more athletic simply because they don't make as many of them. But make no mistake. Marcus was special.... and you are correct that Che' wasn't a good fit for us. It would have been interesting to see where the program would have gone had we not gone thru that debacle. I agree that Ritchie has us heading back in that direction. And i don't think Ritchie will make the mistakes that proved to be the downfall of that era.
By olldflame
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Jonathan Carone wrote:
R i wrote:
Jonathan Carone wrote:Getting threatened by Ali Ton vs Radford


I do not remember the details, but wasnt he upset about a "your momma" joke. His mother had just passed or something sad.

It was not mean spirited, but super unfortunate from what I remember.


That was the apex of that night. We'd had a ton of fun in general the entire game because it was Radford. Then right before the game ended, one of our girls saw a guy had a tattoo that was something about his mom. She told him his mom called and said she was proud of him after he'd committed a foul or a turnover or something. He turned around and said "What'd you say?!" So, thinking we were in his head (and not knowing the context), we chanted "Momma" when he shot a free throw. After the game Ali Ton told us we should leave before he came out because he couldn't stop him from coming in the stands after us. Then he told us his mom had died a few years earlier. We tried to apologize but emotions were too high for anyone to hear that.

I hate that it happened but it made that night more memorable that we ever imagined it would be.


Did I read correctly that his mom had passed YEARS before, not DAYS? Sorry, but that's snowflake stuff IMHO. Everybody's mom dies at some point. You mourn and then you move on.
By ALAFlamesFan
#542491 Cuffee is starting to look really comfortable out there. It would be nice to see McDowell get some more shots in the 2nd half and get him going.
By ALAFlamesFan
#542511 What is the deal with our long range shooting woes in the Vines? I know it is unique because of the dome and depth perception/perspective is different but it is our home court. Does the team get enough practice reps in there to be comfortable?
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By Class of 20Something
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ALAFlamesFan wrote:What is the deal with our long range shooting woes in the Vines? I know it is unique because of the dome and depth perception/perspective is different but it is our home court. Does the team get enough practice reps in there to be comfortable?


I'd imagine most of their practice is underground in their practice facility.
By olldflame
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FlamesHighontheTide wrote:How cool is this fellas:

We are 3 points away from being 9-1 this season! And to be honest we should have won both of those games!


Works both ways. We could also easily have lost Monday, and be 6-4. I agree though that it is a strong 7-3, with only the Mercer loss not being a wire job.