If roundball is your blood, this is the place to discuss the Flames as they move into the Ritchie McKay era for the 2nd time.
By A Sea of Red
#530260 The Flames have 2 commitments so far from Darius McGhee and Blake Preston

McGhee - http://www.aseaofred.com/flames-offer-2 ... us-mcghee/
Preston - http://www.aseaofred.com/flames-pick-up ... e-preston/

Pending offers to 3 prospects:
PG Isaiah Payton
SG Kyler Edwards
PF Trey Jemison

http://www.aseaofred.com/basketball-prospects/

Scholarship Grid - http://www.aseaofred.com/1786-2/
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By jcmanson
#530263 It's really something to see McKay work on the recruiting circuit. Since he's been at Liberty, he generally gets who he wants.

His first recruiting class back, he targeted Cabbil and Atencia. Check and check.

Last year, his main focus was on Gardner. Check.
He also targeted Barmore, Georgie and Josiah.

In the 2017 class, he offered 5 prospects and got 4 of the 5 to sign. The only one he missed on was Jarrod West who committed to Marshall.

So far for 2018, he's targeted McGhee and Preston and they've both committed.
Only 3 other offers outstanding in Payton, Edwards, and Jemison. I'm not even sure if he's still going after Payton as he was offered before Georgie came on to the scene and before McGhee committed. If either Edwards or Jemison commits, this is arguably one of the best classes in school history, at least in recent memory.
By ballah09
#530266 We have a great shot with Kyler from what I hear, Kelvin is really pushing Liberty.

I agree, land Kyler and on paper this is the best recruiting class in Liberty's history. I believe the staff backed off Jemison along with Payton.
By cruzan_flame13
#530268
ballah09 wrote:We have a great shot with Kyler from what I hear, Kelvin is really pushing Liberty.

I agree, land Kyler and on paper this is the best recruiting class in Liberty's history. I believe the staff backed off Jemison along with Payton.


I would back off Payton and Jemison as well. We technically do not need those two if we stay focus on McGhee and Preston. All we need is Edwards and we have ourselves a blessed 2018-19 season and beyond. As for me, I'm excited for the 2017-18 season. We will have more exposer as the team heads to the Virgin Islands a.k.a my place of birth. I mention this because for some reason I feel some changes are coming in the near future with conferences (possibly 5-7 years from now). It would be nice to see Liberty submit to the A10 if a couple teams transition to the Big East (right now this is just a thought since the BE commissioner stated it could be a possibility in the future to make the conference even successful).
By oldflame
#530288 Trey Jemison and Isaiah Payton have been removed from our list of open offers on verbalcommits. As it is we will still need to open up a scholarship to sign Kyler Edwards. I have a pretty good idea how that would go down.

http://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/liberty

Jemison was a long shot to begin with, and with high major programs with outspoken christian coaches like Avery Johnson at Bama and Bryce Drew at Vandy in the mix, a large part of the edge we might have otherwise had in recruiting this committed christian kid is diminished. My bet is he ends up a Commodore because of Drew and his staff and the academics at Vandy. Kid is also a top student with an offer from Stanford
Payton is a nice PG, but we have no room with Georgie and Darius on board.

So, our recruiting efforts for 2018 are now focused on one player, Kyler Edwards, and I'm sure Ritchie and co. have let him know exactly that. I love our chances.
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By BJWilliams
#532153 He would be only 3 3/4 inches off of qualifications for NCAA regionals at that height
By oldflame
#532154
BJWilliams wrote:He would be only 3 3/4 inches off of qualifications for NCAA regionals at that height


And I think I can pretty safely say he cleared that height on strictly raw athletic ability. Blue Ridge does not have a dedicated track coach, and Darius has been playing travel hoops for Team Loaded NC this Spring. He just participates in track to help the team.
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By BJWilliams
#532172 So he probably could clear 6-9 or 6-10 with some coaching...be a nice cross training opportunity for him
By oldflame
#532174
BJWilliams wrote:So he probably could clear 6-9 or 6-10 with some coaching...be a nice cross training opportunity for him


I'm sure he has the physical talent to go higher than that, but since his future is college BASKETBALL, there is not much reason to devote the time and effort to pursue it. As far as a cross training benefit is concerned, I don't see it. He should be (and no doubt is) doing specific training to develop his vertical jump for basketball. He won't need to clear any bars out there on the court.
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By Purple Haize
#532175
oldflame wrote:
BJWilliams wrote:So he probably could clear 6-9 or 6-10 with some coaching...be a nice cross training opportunity for him


I'm sure he has the physical talent to go higher than that, but since his future is college BASKETBALL, there is not much reason to devote the time and effort to pursue it. As far as a cross training benefit is concerned, I don't see it. He should be (and no doubt is) doing specific training to develop his vertical jump for basketball. He won't need to clear any bars out there on the court.


I dunno. He could do both. It would come down to his coaches agreeing and his desire to do so. If you have the talent and desire I don't see why not
By oldflame
#532177
Purple Haize wrote:
oldflame wrote:
BJWilliams wrote:So he probably could clear 6-9 or 6-10 with some coaching...be a nice cross training opportunity for him


I'm sure he has the physical talent to go higher than that, but since his future is college BASKETBALL, there is not much reason to devote the time and effort to pursue it. As far as a cross training benefit is concerned, I don't see it. He should be (and no doubt is) doing specific training to develop his vertical jump for basketball. He won't need to clear any bars out there on the court.


I dunno. He could do both. It would come down to his coaches agreeing and his desire to do so. If you have the talent and desire I don't see why not


I would say if the young man has the desire to pursue both sports and maximize his potential in the HJ, by all means he should. I don't get that impression, since he has been on the road playing AAU basketball much of the Spring. I believe his HS basketball coach also coaches the track team. I'm thinking he threw on a uni and went out there and jumped 6'6" for Good Old Blue Ridge because...... well, because he COULD.

There is a risk involved though. High jumpers get injured quite a bit. The moment of transfer from horizontal to vertical puts tremendous strain on the ankle, knee and hip joints, and the way you have to contort to clear the bar and the landing are all opportunities to get hurt.
By oldflame
#533165 Apparently before leaving TX, Kyler made a stop in Lubbock, and we can now add Clemson on Sat. to his itinerary. He is moving in the right direction. Lynchburg on Sunday would make sense. :wink: We have no way of knowing, but it would seem logical for him to be traveling with his dad.

Correction: Apparently he is visiting both UGA and Clemson today.
By cruzan_flame13
#533190
oldflame wrote:We can now add an NBA legend to the list of competitors for Kyler's services. New Georgetown coach Patrick Ewing has offered.



That is pretty cool. I hope one day Liberty can play Georgetown if politics do not deeply get in the way. Although I hope Kyles has a wonderful time when he visits Liberty.
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By Purple Haize
#533193
cruzan_flame13 wrote:
oldflame wrote:We can now add an NBA legend to the list of competitors for Kyler's services. New Georgetown coach Patrick Ewing has offered.



That is pretty cool. I hope one day Liberty can play Georgetown if politics do not deeply get in the way. Although I hope Kyles has a wonderful time when he visits Liberty.


You are aware that LU and Georgetown have played each other in hoops recently aren't you?
By cruzan_flame13
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Purple Haize wrote:
cruzan_flame13 wrote:
oldflame wrote:We can now add an NBA legend to the list of competitors for Kyler's services. New Georgetown coach Patrick Ewing has offered.



That is pretty cool. I hope one day Liberty can play Georgetown if politics do not deeply get in the way. Although I hope Kyles has a wonderful time when he visits Liberty.


You are aware that LU and Georgetown have played each other in hoops recently aren't you?


No I'm not, or I wouldn't have sent that comment. I stop watching sports for a few years although I'd hear updates once in awhile.
By oldflame
#533364 Well, so much for Kyler Edwards getting our undivided attention for 2018. We have just offered Kristian Sjolund, a 6'8" Norwegian SF who is playing HS ball in Katy, TX. He is rated 4 stars by both Scout and ESPN. Lights out shooter with very deep range.

http://www.scout.com/college/basketball ... an-sjolund
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/bask ... an-sjolund
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/kristian-sjolund
By cruzan_flame13
#533365
oldflame wrote:Well, so much for Kyler Edwards getting our undivided attention for 2018. We have just offered Kristian Sjolund, a 6'8" Norwegian SF who is playing HS ball in Katy, TX. He is rated 4 stars by both Scout and ESPN. Lights out shooter with very deep range.

http://www.scout.com/college/basketball ... an-sjolund
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/bask ... an-sjolund
http://www.verbalcommits.com/players/kristian-sjolund


He is a good player and in a way I don't blame McKay and the coaches for giving out this offer. In my opinion, I sort of seeing Kyler staying close to home. I know his dad is an alumni and all, but Kyler looks like a kid who would want to near to family and friends. In the end I hope Kyler makes the best decision and it would be nice to have either of these guys.
By cruzan_flame13
#533367
oldflame wrote:It would actually not be very difficult to open up scholarships/roster spots for both of them.


Do you mind sharing your idea on this matter? I always wanted to learn the limitations of scholarships between the sports teams of the division 1 level.
By jinxy
#533368 Same way spots were opened up this year. Theres one obvious one but im not sure who a 2nd would be yet.
By oldflame
#533369 We have a redshirt JR this year who will certainly graduate. We also have a FR who was not expected to need a scholarship when he was recruited, but was given one for this year due to a "change in circumstances".
By SumItUp
#533371
oldflame wrote:We have a redshirt JR this year who will certainly graduate. We also have a FR who was not expected to need a scholarship when he was recruited, but was given one for this year due to a "change in circumstances".


Barber was offered a scholarship prior to signing his LOI.
By Neo
#533372
SumItUp wrote:
oldflame wrote:We have a redshirt JR this year who will certainly graduate. We also have a FR who was not expected to need a scholarship when he was recruited, but was given one for this year due to a "change in circumstances".


Barber was offered a scholarship prior to signing his LOI.


That's normally how it works
By oldflame
#533374 The timing was more than a bit strange in that Jay signed his NLI a week before his father's resignation was announced. I have a feeling the parties concerned knew what was coming. How else do you justify giving a scholarship to a player who did not need it because his tuition would have been paid as the child of an employee while another player who had a scholarship offer going back to the summer after his FR year of HS (Newton) was going to have to settle for a preferred walk on spot until another schollie opened up when Reid transferred.
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By flamehunter
#533375
SumItUp wrote:
oldflame wrote:We have a redshirt JR this year who will certainly graduate. We also have a FR who was not expected to need a scholarship when he was recruited, but was given one for this year due to a "change in circumstances".


Barber was offered a scholarship prior to signing his LOI.

Yeah I thought that if a player was on a team with any scholarship (even if a non-athletic scholarship) still counted toward the total. Am I wrong?
By oldflame
#533377
flamehunter wrote:
SumItUp wrote:
oldflame wrote:We have a redshirt JR this year who will certainly graduate. We also have a FR who was not expected to need a scholarship when he was recruited, but was given one for this year due to a "change in circumstances".


Barber was offered a scholarship prior to signing his LOI.

Yeah I thought that if a player was on a team with any scholarship (even if a non-athletic scholarship) still counted toward the total. Am I wrong?


That is true for football due to the "Bear Bryant rule" It does not generally apply to other sports if the scholarship is available to all qualified students and has nothing to do with their athletic prowess. Dominique Jones and both of Layer's sons got free tuition as employee's children and did not count against our basketball scholarship limit. Jay would have been in the same catagory. Scotty James, who's mother is a professor at Liberty is still counting for us (Pending a proposed rule change) because he was a scholarship player at Bradley before transferring.
By SumItUp
#533381
oldflame wrote:The timing was more than a bit strange in that Jay signed his NLI a week before his father's resignation was announced. I have a feeling the parties concerned knew what was coming. How else do you justify giving a scholarship to a player who did not need it because his tuition would have been paid as the child of an employee while another player who had a scholarship offer going back to the summer after his FR year of HS (Newton) was going to have to settle for a preferred walk on spot until another schollie opened up when Reid transferred.


No correlation. The changes that were made were not known. It was a surprise.
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By flameshaw
#533385
oldflame wrote:The timing was more than a bit strange in that Jay signed his NLI a week before his father's resignation was announced. I have a feeling the parties concerned knew what was coming. How else do you justify giving a scholarship to a player who did not need it because his tuition would have been paid as the child of an employee while another player who had a scholarship offer going back to the summer after his FR year of HS (Newton) was going to have to settle for a preferred walk on spot until another schollie opened up when Reid transferred.


If JB didn't know a change was coming, I would be totally surprised. I knew about it and knew who was going to replace him. before it was announced. (I didn't get my info from one source, it was putting some info together from several places and putting two and two together). LU was vetting McCaw for at least a year before the change was made. JB was working without a contract for some time before the change was made, I can't imagine him having a good feeling about the future.
As far as scholarships, unless something has changed recently, they are awarded for only a year at a time. Most all schools will honor them for 4 years. Some AD's insist that coaches cannot take a scholarship away once it is rewarded. I know that Winthrop had this rule several years ago. I suspect if one of these big name players become available, there will be a way made available for them to come aboard. We usually lose a couple of players every year anyway.
By oldflame
#533401 Interesting Rivals article on Kyler Edward's recruitment. The closest thing to a Liberty mention is his statement that he is "still open to everyone who is currently involved" in recruiting him. Looks like SMU and Houston have the edge right now. All the unofficial visits he did recently were done on a family vacation.

https://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com ... ith-visits

IMHO our hopes to sign Kyler depend entirely on whether we can get him on campus. I doubt his father would pressure him too much on the actual decision, but I can see where he might push hard for him to make an official visit before making his decision in early September.
By cruzan_flame13
#533811
oldflame wrote:Interesting map showing some of the places our coaches have been this month.

https://twitter.com/LibertyMBB/status/8 ... 6573599745

Dallas and Charlotte are no-brainers. The other locations may be AAU event sites. Lawrence and Orlando are "intriguing".



Interesting that someone mention the event occurring at Louisville this weekend. Too bad that none of our coaches will attend. The other places like Orlando and Lawrence are interesting. McKay and the gang are going all out on the recruiting field :D
By oldflame
#534273 Unless I am misreading something, Kyler Edwards is transferring to national powerhouse Findley Prep for his Senior year.

https://twitter.com/FindlayPilots/statu ... 4928030720

I would say this makes it definative.

https://twitter.com/K_edwards__/status/ ... 1878041600
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By BJWilliams
#534277 Very good school...they play my alma mater in Prep basketball and those two are routinely in the top of the country
By oldflame
#534283
BJWilliams wrote:Very good school...they play my alma mater in Prep basketball and those two are routinely in the top of the country


It's not even a school, let alone a good one. It's a basketball factory financed by a Vegas auto dealer.
By oldflame
#534326 In reading my statement above, I want to elaborate a bit, because it sounds pretty harsh. I am FAR from the first person to refer to Findlay Prep by the term "basketball factory", and it is somewhat a matter of semantics, but it is not totally fair. The statement that Findlay Prep is not a school however, is 100% accurate. Nonetheless, by all reports, the players get good HS instruction, and they claim a 100% qualifying rate for their Seniors, which is certainly impressive.

The way they achieve this is pretty unusual. When Findlay Prep was started 13 or so years ago, the players attended classes at the nearby Henderson International School. A few years ago, the school had a financial crisis due to the depressed Vegas economy, and had to shut down their HS and focus on preschool-grade 8. An agreement was reached for Findlay Prep founder Cliff Findlay (an auto dealership mogul, former UNLV basketball player and current booster) to continue paying the $17,000 annual tuition for the players in return for the school providing instruction and ultimately diplomas for them. They are the only students there above the 8th grade. Findlay Prep also brings in specialists from Princeton Review to do SAT prep work with the players.

Cliff Findlay categorically denies the rampant speculation that he founded the Findlay Prep Pilots to be a feeder program for his beloved Runnin Rebels (he has a seat right next to the AD for every home game). He says he did it to honor his parents and provide young men with educational opportunities. Several Findlay Prep alumni have played for UNLV, but not so many that it could not be explained by geographic proximity. The NCAA is obviously watching carefully, and both the UNLV and Findley Prep coaches look to be doing their best to avoid impropriety.