[jbock13]

Oh come on guys. The pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, turnover or force up a shot offense is working just fine!

[olldflame]

I continue to chortle when guys on here comment about how bad we are in some aspect of the game based apparently on what happened during a tiny span of time, and then I look at the stats and see just the opposite was true. We did not have a problem with turnovers last night. Any coach of any team any day will be happy with 7 turnovers in a game. We also hung with WU on the boards and outscored them from the line.

We shot horribly, especially from 3. We made 3 of 20 3s. Normally we make 7 or 8 of those. That´s another 12 or 15 points and we win. I didn´t have a video feed of the game so I can´t even begin to comment on how much of that was a direct result of WUs defense and how much was just cold shooting, but I think it is a stretch to assume it was because nwe were overmatched athletically as some have said. Coastal shot 2 for 20 from 3 against us. Was that because they were overmatched by our athleticism? I doubt it.

[Purple Haize]

I continue to chortle when guys on here comment about how bad we are in some aspect of the game based apparently on what happened during a tiny span of time, and then I look at the stats and see just the opposite was true. We did not have a problem with turnovers last night. Any coach of any team any day will be happy with 7 turnovers in a game. We also hung with WU on the boards and outscored them from the line.

We shot horribly, especially from 3. We made 3 of 20 3s. Normally we make 7 or 8 of those. That´s another 12 or 15 points and we win. I didn´t have a video feed of the game so I can´t even begin to comment on how much of that was a direct result of WUs defense and how much was just cold shooting, but I think it is a stretch to assume it was because nwe were overmatched athletically as some have said. Coastal shot 2 for 20 from 3 against us. Was that because they were overmatched by our athleticism? I doubt it.

You can not judge a game by the stat sheet. And it is not a stretch to say we were over matched athletically.
But I do agree about the turn overs.

[olldflame]

You can judge a lot by stats. The eye test often lies because you make a judgement based on a small sample, and over the course of the game that judgement is proven to be inaccurate. How do we know? The stat sheet. The turnover situation here is a perfect example.

If we went 3 for 20 against WU because they were in our jocks all night and we never got a good look, then maybe you can say we were overmatched. That´s hard for me to believe because we got good looks and made them against CSU for example, and I think their guards are as athletic as any in the BSC. When a team is overmatched by defensive athleticism, doesn´t that normally lead to turnovers? Doesn´t an athletic mismatch generally result in the more athletic team dominating the boards or blocking a lot of shots? None of that happened.

I don´t know why it´s so hard to accept that sometimes a team wins or loses because they have a hot or cold night shooting. Winthrop normally doesn´t shoot that well from 3 and we normally don´t shoot that poorly. They won. We lost.

[GillsHill2013]

The stat sheet doesn't lie when it says we lost the game =D

[olldflame]

The stat sheet doesn't lie when it says we lost the game =D

That makes 9 straight in Rock Hill under 3 different coaches, and not all of those Winthrop teams were that good (including this year). As a fan, am I happy about it? Of course not.

[Purple Haize]

You can judge a lot by stats. The eye test often lies because you make a judgement based on a small sample, and over the course of the game that judgement is proven to be inaccurate. How do we know? The stat sheet. The turnover situation here is a perfect example.

If we went 3 for 20 against WU because they were in our jocks all night and we never got a good look, then maybe you can say we were overmatched. That´s hard for me to believe because we got good looks and made them against CSU for example, and I think their guards are as athletic as any in the BSC. When a team is overmatched by defensive athleticism, doesn´t that normally lead to turnovers? Doesn´t an athletic mismatch generally result in the more athletic team dominating the boards or blocking a lot of shots? None of that happened.

I don´t know why it´s so hard to accept that sometimes a team wins or loses because they have a hot or cold night shooting. Winthrop normally doesn´t shoot that well from 3 and we normally don´t shoot that poorly. They won. We lost.

What does having a hot or cold shooting night have to do with the rest of your post?
You say you can judge a lot by stats then give reasons why stats can lie.
The stat sheet can't tell you how much bigger a team is than competition. Why is it so hard to believe that we are over matched a lot of nights athletically. Since that IS the case, the results of that can not be seen on a stat sheet. If I'm a shooter and all night I'm getting bumped and chucked running through the lane when I do get open it will affect my shot. If I'm a ball handler and come up against a defender who is as quick but stronger that's going to affect the way I play. And it won't show up on the stat sheet.
Did we shoot poorly? Yep. And it's a big reason we lost. A bigger reason IMO was our virtual non existent help defense, of which there is no category on a stat sheet.

[ballcoach15]

Bigger, faster, stronger. That has been the case before in many games.

[bballfan84]

it all comes down to a lack of talent...Layers coaching philosophy needs to change..this should not be JC's team. It is clear as day that the best potential/talent is in Gielo ( yes he shot horrible this game). It just seems like the players have to many leashes on them with the exception of Sanders and Marshall.