[jcmanson]

Doug Stewart is a prime example of that. He had some of the most talent to ever come through Liberty .

Wow, you can't be serious

[Rocketfan]

As for David Dees, didn't he transfer because we wouldn't offer his younger brother (who wasn't that good) a scholarship?

Sure if that's what makes you sleep at night.

Anthony Smith was a Dunton recruit, and he stayed four years.

He wouldn't have stayed if Dunton would have stayed.

Manson talk about the new regime all you want, but you weren't that in touch with the old one......and Smith is going to uproot his whole family and sit a year, i would have loved to have seen that....

[Rocketfan]

Doug Stewart is a prime example of that. He had some of the most talent to ever come through Liberty .

Wow, you can't be serious

Dang it Manson, i just disagreed with you and now we have to agree.....

BUSIMAN is obviously being prescribed weed for a medical condition...

[jcmanson]

As for David Dees, didn't he transfer because we wouldn't offer his younger brother (who wasn't that good) a scholarship?

Sure if that's what makes you sleep at night.

Anthony Smith was a Dunton recruit, and he stayed four years.

He wouldn't have stayed if Dunton would have stayed.

Manson talk about the new regime all you want, but you weren't that in touch with the old one......and Smith is going to uproot his whole family and sit a year, i would have loved to have seen that....

I know I went overboard with that one, but Smitty was very open to how much he disliked RD. I don't think he had a family at the time RD left. I could be wrong though.

[Liberty4Life]

Doug Stewart is a prime example of that. He had some of the most talent to ever come through Liberty .

Wow, you can't be serious

Dang it Manson, i just disagreed with you and now we have to agree.....

BUSIMAN is obviously being prescribed weed for a medical condition...

Which is why so many schools were thrilled at the notion that Doug Stewart was available when he decided to leave Liberty... Oh wait, that didn't happen.

I do stand corrected on the Anthony Smith comment I made earlier. He wasn't the biggest Dunton fan. Still.

[jcmanson]

I'm enjoying this thread though. Keep bringin it...

[BUSIMAN23]

Doug Stewart is a prime example of that. He had some of the most talent to ever come through Liberty .

Wow, you can't be serious

Dang it Manson, i just disagreed with you and now we have to agree.....

BUSIMAN is obviously being prescribed weed for a medical condition...

Doug Stewart could have been one of the best players to come through Liberty with some good coaching. What you saw on the court was someone who was torn down mentally by someone who was supposed to coach him and help him develop as a player. This obviously did not happen. David Dees' main reason he transferred had nothing to do with the fact that Liberty would not sign his brother. I know thats a popular belief at Liberty and the flames fan family, but its completely false. Flames fan is funny because you guys speculate all the time and assume a bunch of these myths/rumors are true and then when someone comes in with outside information, you classify them as crazy.

[Rocketfan]

Wow, you can't be serious

Dang it Manson, i just disagreed with you and now we have to agree.....

BUSIMAN is obviously being prescribed weed for a medical condition...

Doug Stewart could have been one of the best players to come through Liberty with some good coaching. What you saw on the court was someone who was torn down mentally by someone who was supposed to coach him and help him develop as a player. This obviously did not happen. David Dees' main reason he transferred had nothing to do with the fact that Liberty would not sign his brother. I know thats a popular belief at Liberty and the flames fan family, but its completely false. Flames fan is funny because you guys speculate all the time and assume a bunch of these myths/rumors are true and then when someone comes in with outside information, you classify them as crazy.

Doug Stewart couldn't find the ocean from a boat in the middle of the atlantic. Travis Eisentrout was better, and thats saying something...

Its not completly false that Dees expressed an interest in playing with his brother.....

Yes you are crazy, its simple fact.

[LUconn]

There's been a lot of reasons listed for Dees departure:

Signing his brother
The shadow of Blair
At the time I was told Dunton wouldn't get off of his back because he didn't play hard on D.

I'm sure it was all of the above.


Also, I've been told by many people that Stewart was certainly better than what he showed on the court, when he was allowed on it, but come on. Let's just leave it at, "he could have been better".

[BUSIMAN23]

Dang it Manson, i just disagreed with you and now we have to agree.....

BUSIMAN is obviously being prescribed weed for a medical condition...

Doug Stewart could have been one of the best players to come through Liberty with some good coaching. What you saw on the court was someone who was torn down mentally by someone who was supposed to coach him and help him develop as a player. This obviously did not happen. David Dees' main reason he transferred had nothing to do with the fact that Liberty would not sign his brother. I know thats a popular belief at Liberty and the flames fan family, but its completely false. Flames fan is funny because you guys speculate all the time and assume a bunch of these myths/rumors are true and then when someone comes in with outside information, you classify them as crazy.

Doug Stewart couldn't find the ocean from a boat in the middle of the atlantic. Travis Eisentrout was better, and thats saying something...

Its not completly false that Dees expressed an interest in playing with his brother.....

Yes you are crazy, its simple fact.

Very mature, obviously you never got to see Doug play outside of the oppressive regime of Dunton. As for Dees it was a couple reasons to leave but you can chalk it up to Dunton for being the main reason. I was very close to these guys so I would say I am a good source of information

[King James]

Doug Stewart is a prime example of that. He had some of the most talent to ever come through Liberty .

Wow, you can't be serious

I played with him in the schilling, and he was great. But that's a bit of a strech to kall him the best talent we ever had.

[BUSIMAN23]

Doug Stewart is a prime example of that. He had some of the most talent to ever come through Liberty .

Wow, you can't be serious

I played with him in the schilling, and he was great. But that's a bit of a strech to kall him the best talent we ever had.

If you read my other posts I am saying that with some good coaching he COULD of been one of the greatest to come through Liberty. However, his talent level coming into college was higher than a lot of freshman recruits that I have seen at Liberty

[King James]

Wow, you can't be serious

I played with him in the schilling, and he was great. But that's a bit of a strech to kall him the best talent we ever had.

If you read my other posts I am saying that with some good coaching he COULD of been one of the greatest to come through Liberty. However, his talent level coming into college was higher than a lot of freshman recruits that I have seen at Liberty

I might give you that.

[Liberty4Life]

Wow, you can't be serious

I played with him in the schilling, and he was great. But that's a bit of a strech to kall him the best talent we ever had.

If you read my other posts I am saying that with some good coaching he COULD of been one of the greatest to come through Liberty. However, his talent level coming into college was higher than a lot of freshman recruits that I have seen at Liberty

Now, that last statement was just baloney. Please find me one scouting / recruiting article talking about Stewart from when he was just coming in to college. You'd think if he had such a high talent level, he would have been recognized. Seriously, if you're buddy-buddy with the guy, that's one thing. But don't try pushing your revisionist history.

[coolhandluke]

Wow, you can't be serious

I played with him in the schilling, and he was great. But that's a bit of a strech to kall him the best talent we ever had.

If you read my other posts I am saying that with some good coaching he COULD of been one of the greatest to come through Liberty. However, his talent level coming into college was higher than a lot of freshman recruits that I have seen at Liberty

You said earlier that he WAS one of the greatest talents to come through Liberty. Not COULD have been on of the greatest. Make up your mind.

And I played against him at LaHaye one time and I was pushing him around down low when I was manning him up on D. I am 5'10". The guy can shoot, a little bit. But he thinks he is a lot better than he really is. And the greatest talent to ever come through Liberty wouldn't let a 5'!0" guy push him around in the post. Did he score on me? Yes. Did he get rebounds over me even when I blocked him out? Yes, he's like a foot taller than me. But did did he score inside the paint when I was guarding him? No.

Look man, I understand you are probably friends with him. I am friends with Armon Jones. And Armon is a monster in pick up. But I'll admit if he had a better attitude he could have done something. He's not one of the greatest ever. And it was his own fault he didn't succeed. Armon never proved himself in practice, that's why he never succeeded on the court. Same thing goes for Doug...

[BUSIMAN23]

I played with him in the schilling, and he was great. But that's a bit of a strech to kall him the best talent we ever had.

If you read my other posts I am saying that with some good coaching he COULD of been one of the greatest to come through Liberty. However, his talent level coming into college was higher than a lot of freshman recruits that I have seen at Liberty

You said earlier that he WAS one of the greatest talents to come through Liberty. Not COULD have been on of the greatest. Make up your mind.

And I played against him at LaHaye one time and I was pushing him around down low when I was manning him up on D. I am 5'10". The guy can shoot, a little bit. But he thinks he is a lot better than he really is. And the greatest talent to ever come through Liberty wouldn't let a 5'!0" guy push him around in the post. Did he score on me? Yes. Did he get rebounds over me even when I blocked him out? Yes, he's like a foot taller than me. But did did he score inside the paint when I was guarding him? No.

Look man, I understand you are probably friends with him. I am friends with Armon Jones. And Armon is a monster in pick up. But I'll admit if he had a better attitude he could have done something. He's not one of the greatest ever. And it was his own fault he didn't succeed. Armon never proved himself in practice, that's why he never succeeded on the court. Same thing goes for Doug...

Ok you guys are completely right, I am offering my opinion on a guy that I thought had a lot of talent coming in. As a freshman, he had more talent that a lot of freshman I have seen at Liberty and with coaching, could have been really special. I do not want to get on an Armon Jones subject but that kid was terrible, period. This has nothing to do with the fact that I was friends with him. A lot of people and coaches felt that way when Doug Stewart came in. It is not often you get a 6'8, long, athletic, shooter. When I stated that he had some of the most talent, I was stating that as an undeveloped freshman and was referring to his natural ability.

[jcmanson]

It is not often you get a 6'8, long, athletic, shooter.

Use to not be that often, but we have 3 guys on the roster for this season that meets that description. And if you count Stephen Baird (who has verballed) that's 4.

[BUSIMAN23]

It is not often you get a 6'8, long, athletic, shooter.

Use to not be that often, but we have 3 guys on the roster for this season that meets that description. And if you count Stephen Baird (who has verballed) that's 4.

I am not seeing very many ATHLETIC 6'8 guys on the roster this year.

[jcmanson]

Carter, Baker, and VanderPol are as athletic as Stewart was.

[Sly Fox]

And taller to boot.

For the record, I'm glad Doug was a part of our team. But I am surprised he is coming up in the conversation.

[BUSIMAN23]

Carter, Baker, and VanderPol are as athletic as Stewart was.

Carter is def not as athletic as Stewart and the same with Baker, who cant jump without risking a career ending injury. I haven't seen VanderPol play cause he is a freshman so I would not know

[BUSIMAN23]

And taller to boot.

For the record, I'm glad Doug was a part of our team. But I am surprised he is coming up in the conversation.

I was just defending some of the guys that were under the staff of Dunton, and it took off from there.

[olldflame]

I think Carter may be more athletic than we are giving him credit for. We really haven't seen him healthy yet.

Word is that his ability to run the floor at 6'10" plus is Vander Pol's best asset. I also noticed that the roster now lists his weight at 220. Hopefully he has been hitting the weights as well as the chow line.

Having said that, I think it's fair to say that noone is going to mistake us for Carolina or Kansas in terms of athletic big men.

[flamesbball84]

I think Carter may be more athletic than we are giving him credit for. We really haven't seen him healthy yet.

Word is that his ability to run the floor at 6'10" plus is Vander Pol's best asset. I also noticed that the roster now lists his weight at 220. Hopefully he has been hitting the weights as well as the chow line.

Having said that, I think it's fair to say that noone is going to mistake us for Carolina or Kansas in terms of athletic big men.

as thin as he is, he better be able to run the floor...

[UNCA Alum]

Guys transfer all the time in basketball, especially at the lower levels.

They are used to being the man on every team they play on and coaches bending over backwards to appease them at the high school level and then they get to college and all of a sudden they are the 9th best player on the team and the coach is telling them how much they suck for two hours every day at practice.

An adjustment that is tough for a lot of guys to make. And they, of course, think the grass is always greener on the other side. So they transfer and realize that the coach is an A-hole at the new school as well.

I wouldn't read much into it.