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Jonathan Carone wrote:Great question Jon. My first inclination is to say that would be a situation where we shouldn't "put all our eggs in one basket" if it is a position of need. I feel pretty good about our current stance of being fairly selective where that is concerned, but I can see where some kids should get the benefit of the doubt.olldflame wrote:I suppose there are some who will never quite understand that it will be simply impossible for LU to build an FBS program by focusing primarily on beating out UVA and VT (and yes, ODU) for local players, many of whom are not a fit for the school. ... Nobody can say we didn't try hard to sign Davis. Should we have offered earlier? It certainly looks that way now, but hindsight is always 20/20.This is Hanson's thread so I don't want to hijack it with Davis stuff, but while we're on the subject I thought I'd ask this question:
If a local player is a good fit for our school and has an interest in us but his grades aren't the best, should we offer early while he still has time to get his grades up or should we wait until those grades are already up before offering?
Jonathan Carone wrote:Do conditional offers exist?olldflame wrote:I suppose there are some who will never quite understand that it will be simply impossible for LU to build an FBS program by focusing primarily on beating out UVA and VT (and yes, ODU) for local players, many of whom are not a fit for the school. ... Nobody can say we didn't try hard to sign Davis. Should we have offered earlier? It certainly looks that way now, but hindsight is always 20/20.This is Hanson's thread so I don't want to hijack it with Davis stuff, but while we're on the subject I thought I'd ask this question:
If a local player is a good fit for our school and has an interest in us but his grades aren't the best, should we offer early while he still has time to get his grades up or should we wait until those grades are already up before offering?
Class of 20Something wrote:Even if we offer and he commits he still has to meet academic requirements. So I say yes offer him and encourage him to put in the academic work. Incidentally and to keep on topic, Jesse's GPA is over 4.Jonathan Carone wrote:Do conditional offers exist?olldflame wrote:I suppose there are some who will never quite understand that it will be simply impossible for LU to build an FBS program by focusing primarily on beating out UVA and VT (and yes, ODU) for local players, many of whom are not a fit for the school. ... Nobody can say we didn't try hard to sign Davis. Should we have offered earlier? It certainly looks that way now, but hindsight is always 20/20.This is Hanson's thread so I don't want to hijack it with Davis stuff, but while we're on the subject I thought I'd ask this question:
If a local player is a good fit for our school and has an interest in us but his grades aren't the best, should we offer early while he still has time to get his grades up or should we wait until those grades are already up before offering?
Class of 20Something wrote:Just like verbal commits, scholarship offers are very conditional by nature. They are totally non-binding and can be withdrawn at any time.Jonathan Carone wrote:Do conditional offers exist?olldflame wrote:I suppose there are some who will never quite understand that it will be simply impossible for LU to build an FBS program by focusing primarily on beating out UVA and VT (and yes, ODU) for local players, many of whom are not a fit for the school. ... Nobody can say we didn't try hard to sign Davis. Should we have offered earlier? It certainly looks that way now, but hindsight is always 20/20.This is Hanson's thread so I don't want to hijack it with Davis stuff, but while we're on the subject I thought I'd ask this question:
If a local player is a good fit for our school and has an interest in us but his grades aren't the best, should we offer early while he still has time to get his grades up or should we wait until those grades are already up before offering?
jinxy wrote:In all honesty. This situation is why the fan base has given up on gill. Just got another text. Complete incompetence on the handling of recruiting hanson. Just got another great point. With jesse being so close to home. Tech was in there regulaly between the other visits. Its painful to hear how incompetent we are viewed here locally. Meanwhile we travel the county for questionable fits.I'm okay that his last stand is on a wet cardboard box.
This is the type of player we shouldve been all in on. Warm up the bus baby. These situations are being noted as it was when he chose not to afdress the DC job with the 10th coach.
Gills last stand.
jinxy wrote:In all honesty. This situation is why the fan base has given up on gill. Just got another text. Complete incompetence on the handling of recruiting hanson. Just got another great point. With jesse being so close to home. Tech was in there regulaly between the other visits. Its painful to hear how incompetent we are viewed here locally. Meanwhile we travel the county for questionable fits.I definitely agree with your last point.
This is the type of player we shouldve been all in on. Warm up the bus baby. These situations are being noted as it was when he chose not to afdress the DC job with the 10th coach.
Gills last stand.
olldflame wrote:Ultimately, the responsibility is 100% on TG, not the assistants. Do you think the assistants can decide to recruit or not recruit someone without TG knowing about it and giving direction?jinxy wrote:In all honesty. This situation is why the fan base has given up on gill. Just got another text. Complete incompetence on the handling of recruiting hanson. Just got another great point. With jesse being so close to home. Tech was in there regulaly between the other visits. Its painful to hear how incompetent we are viewed here locally. Meanwhile we travel the county for questionable fits.I definitely agree with your last point.
This is the type of player we shouldve been all in on. Warm up the bus baby. These situations are being noted as it was when he chose not to afdress the DC job with the 10th coach.
Gills last stand.
That was typical TG misplaced loyalty.
He should have hired a DC, and Wimbo could have been retained as a position coach.
As far as Hanson is concerned, I am not going to give us a pass, but the timing on his rather sudden decision to commit so early was definitely unfortunate for us. I think it's safe to say Jesse would have gotten a lot more attention in the coming weeks as the 2018 class is wrapped up.
If in fact Wright was getting lots of attention while Jesse was not, that would appear to be on the assistants responsible, which would be Stamn and whoever recruits that area. Not sure who would be giving all the love to Wright. Probably DeArmon and Roberts.
flamehunter wrote:I think our recruiting philosophy reflect HCTG's personality. Understated, bland, inflexible. It leaves you scratching your head just like you do when you watch our play calling in a game. Things just seem to go against conventional wisdom too many times.Had this conversation with a professional sports evaluation person last week. We agreed that TG does not have the personality and/or dynamic temperament required to be successful at LU. Nothing he has done, since he has been here, has proven otherwise.
flameshaw wrote:The HC decides if we are going to offer a scholarship. We did. He doesn't/can't micromanage every aspect of what happens after staff are assigned to a recruit. Is there culpability for TG in this... no doubt. 100%, I would say no on that. It was a huge error in judgement now that we have the benefit of 20/20 hindsight, but I honestly believe our staff felt we had more time to give Jesse the attention he deserved and were caught off guard by his decision to commit so soon.olldflame wrote:Ultimately, the responsibility is 100% on TG, not the assistants. Do you think the assistants can decide to recruit or not recruit someone without TG knowing about it and giving direction?jinxy wrote:In all honesty. This situation is why the fan base has given up on gill. Just got another text. Complete incompetence on the handling of recruiting hanson. Just got another great point. With jesse being so close to home. Tech was in there regulaly between the other visits. Its painful to hear how incompetent we are viewed here locally. Meanwhile we travel the county for questionable fits.I definitely agree with your last point.
This is the type of player we shouldve been all in on. Warm up the bus baby. These situations are being noted as it was when he chose not to afdress the DC job with the 10th coach.
Gills last stand.
That was typical TG misplaced loyalty.
He should have hired a DC, and Wimbo could have been retained as a position coach.
As far as Hanson is concerned, I am not going to give us a pass, but the timing on his rather sudden decision to commit so early was definitely unfortunate for us. I think it's safe to say Jesse would have gotten a lot more attention in the coming weeks as the 2018 class is wrapped up.
If in fact Wright was getting lots of attention while Jesse was not, that would appear to be on the assistants responsible, which would be Stamn and whoever recruits that area. Not sure who would be giving all the love to Wright. Probably DeArmon and Roberts.
flameshaw wrote:I don't disagree. I guess where I differ from you and some of the other TG critics on the board is that I am willing to give him credit for the successes he has had and occasionally the benefit of the doubt for failures. This recruiting class, for example, while not an unqualified success, was not the abject failure some have made it out to be. A whole lot of needs were addressed, and I believe several of these players will make us better right away and others down the road.flamehunter wrote:I think our recruiting philosophy reflect HCTG's personality. Understated, bland, inflexible. It leaves you scratching your head just like you do when you watch our play calling in a game. Things just seem to go against conventional wisdom too many times.Had this conversation with a professional sports evaluation person last week. We agreed that TG does not have the personality and/or dynamic temperament required to be successful at LU. Nothing he has done, since he has been here, has proven otherwise.
olldflame wrote:I guess where I differ from you and some of the other TG critics on the board is that I am willing to give him credit for the successes he has had and occasionally the benefit of the doubt for failures.I'm all for giving credit where it's due, but I can't give the benefit of the doubt anymore.
Roanoke Times wrote:Lord Botetourt OL Jesse Hanson commits to Virginia TechClick Here for Full Story
By Robert Anderson
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Lord Botetourt football coach Jamie Harless has a tried and true theory about large offensive linemen.
“He might be 6-5 or 6-6, but if he don’t bite, he can’t play [major] college football,” Harless said. “If you’re an offensive lineman, you’ve got to love contact.”
Lord Botetourt 6-foot-5, 295-pound junior Jesse Hanson bit on a big offer Thursday.
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