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By flamehunter
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flameshaw wrote:Did anyone notice that a 3* QB we were recruiting committed to Western Carolina? Amazing.
There is also a kid from Stantoun River that wanted to come to LU. (I am told he has the most rushing yards in VA history, but have not verified that). He is a great kid for LU, very good family, etc. However, we didn't offer him. He has now committed to Richmond. Seems to me, if he can play for Richmond, he could play for us. But .............................???? :roll:

That would be Grayson Overstreet. I believe he has a couple state records for yards and TDs. He was recruited as a linebacker. Definitely a stud. There are several other area seniors that would be capable players at our level. Not sure of their fit for LU.
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By flameshaw
#540927
flamehunter wrote:
flameshaw wrote:Did anyone notice that a 3* QB we were recruiting committed to Western Carolina? Amazing.
There is also a kid from Stantoun River that wanted to come to LU. (I am told he has the most rushing yards in VA history, but have not verified that). He is a great kid for LU, very good family, etc. However, we didn't offer him. He has now committed to Richmond. Seems to me, if he can play for Richmond, he could play for us. But .............................???? :roll:

That would be Grayson Overstreet. I believe he has a couple state records for yards and TDs. He was recruited as a linebacker. Definitely a stud. There are several other area seniors that would be capable players at our level. Not sure of their fit for LU.


I heard he was pretty big for a RB. However, it is sad to see him go to another school and we didn't even offer the kid, when he wanted to come to LU and he is an excellent fit. He is obviously a good football player. I expect he might have been a good addition to the goal line offense as well as LB.
By jinxy
#540942 Who was the qb?

Ive seen overstreet. Im not convinced that hes a fbs player. He looks like lewis thats our rb only slower to me.
By jinxy
#540944 It is interesting with offers from us fau and south alabama.

Our recruiting is likely on hold until the coaching situation is resolved. Ive seen atleast 2 kids that i think are leaning us post a message regarding delaying commitment in light of some new information. Could be other schools pitching that gill is on the hot seat.
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By Sly Fox
#540945 I would think that is more than a possibility. That's how the recruiting game works.

In the meantime we are working the JUCOs exceptionally hard.
By Ewglenn
#541364 Does anyone know if the University needs scouts or a way to scout? I live in South Dakota and highly doubt they look at athletes here. Two of the best programs in the state are Christian schools.
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By flameshaw
#541371
Ewglenn wrote:Does anyone know if the University needs scouts or a way to scout? I live in South Dakota and highly doubt they look at athletes here. Two of the best programs in the state are Christian schools.


For some reason most coaches at LU do not really care hearing about athletes from other sources. That is not always the case, because I know some people they have listened to. :) But it is not the norm. Actually, Toman was one of the best at contacting scouts and others to get leads from. I know we have missed out on some real good athletes, but I guess they have their reasons.
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By Class of 20Something
#541960 Ole Miss just got hit with a two year bowl ban and scholarship restrictions. Students can transfer out without having to sit out a year. I sure hope we can get a player out of this. Ole Miss was #31 recruiting class in 2017 and #5 in 2016.
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By Cider Jim
#541971
Class of 20Something wrote:Ole Miss just got hit with a two year bowl ban and scholarship restrictions.

:brownbag
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By flameshaw
#541976
Class of 20Something wrote:Ole Miss just got hit with a two year bowl ban and scholarship restrictions. Students can transfer out without having to sit out a year. I sure hope we can get a player out of this. Ole Miss was #31 recruiting class in 2017 and #5 in 2016.


We're too busy looking for recruits with no other offers. :)
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By Class of 20Something
#541979
flameshaw wrote:
Class of 20Something wrote:Ole Miss just got hit with a two year bowl ban and scholarship restrictions. Students can transfer out without having to sit out a year. I sure hope we can get a player out of this. Ole Miss was #31 recruiting class in 2017 and #5 in 2016.


We're too busy looking for recruits with no other offers. :)




That is how I feel about being a Flames Fan.
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By Liberty22
#541982
Class of 20Something wrote:Ole Miss just got hit with a two year bowl ban and scholarship restrictions. Students can transfer out without having to sit out a year. I sure hope we can get a player out of this. Ole Miss was #31 recruiting class in 2017 and #5 in 2016.


I thought about this too but my guess is itd be pretty tough cause a player would come here and still miss a year of bowl eligibility.

Does anyone know the reason for the second year bowl ban for transitioning teams? Seems you’d reward a team able to achieve bowl status in year two of a transition considering all the obstacles.
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By Class of 20Something
#541984
Liberty22 wrote:
Class of 20Something wrote:Ole Miss just got hit with a two year bowl ban and scholarship restrictions. Students can transfer out without having to sit out a year. I sure hope we can get a player out of this. Ole Miss was #31 recruiting class in 2017 and #5 in 2016.


I thought about this too but my guess is itd be pretty tough cause a player would come here and still miss a year of bowl eligibility.

Does anyone know the reason for the second year bowl ban for transitioning teams? Seems you’d reward a team able to achieve bowl status in year two of a transition considering all the obstacles.


We don't have to have 5 FBS home games next year. We went above the 3 required. We are the doing the 4+1(Full scholarship FCS) method for 2018.
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By Liberty22
#541985
Class of 20Something wrote:
Liberty22 wrote:
Class of 20Something wrote:Ole Miss just got hit with a two year bowl ban and scholarship restrictions. Students can transfer out without having to sit out a year. I sure hope we can get a player out of this. Ole Miss was #31 recruiting class in 2017 and #5 in 2016.


I thought about this too but my guess is itd be pretty tough cause a player would come here and still miss a year of bowl eligibility.

Does anyone know the reason for the second year bowl ban for transitioning teams? Seems you’d reward a team able to achieve bowl status in year two of a transition considering all the obstacles.


We don't have to have 5 FBS home games next year. We went above the 3 required. We are the doing the 4+1(Full scholarship FCS) method for 2018.


Makes sense! Thanks.
By jinxy
#542103 4 new commits. One is a juco d lineman with an offer from buffalo. One is jonathan graham a senior with no other offers (gill specialty). Not sure who the other 2 are. I was hoping 2 star brendan schlittler was going to commit. I believe he was on visit. He decommitted from holy cross and stamn had a home visit earlier in the week. Offers from northern illinois army and about 20 fcs schools.
By olldflame
#542106
jinxy wrote:4 new commits. One is a juco d lineman with an offer from buffalo. One is jonathan graham a senior with no other offers (gill specialty). Not sure who the other 2 are. I was hoping 2 star brendan schlittler was going to commit. I believe he was on visit. He decommitted from holy cross and stamn had a home visit earlier in the week. Offers from northern illinois army and about 20 fcs schools.


Graham is a HUGE kid with tons of upside. 6'5" and over 300 right now and looks like he can easily carry another 30 lbs or so.
By jinxy
#542115 Manson where are you finding the offers for the rb? All i saw was samford and an another fcs on his profile.

Interesting. Wonder what that means for ballard.
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By jcmanson
#542117
jinxy wrote:Manson where are you finding the offers for the rb? All i saw was samford and an another fcs on his profile.

Interesting. Wonder what that means for ballard.


Umm, sources? :)
By ALAFlamesFan
#542118
Purple Haize wrote:It seems the staff is doing a good job addressing what we all think are the teams needs.


It's a start. I am cautiously optimistic. We were SO depleted on the lines. I hope we see another 2-3 DL and at least 5 more OL. The rest should go to defensive backs and LB's. I am excited to see what other Juco linemen we can grab that could contribute immediately.
By olldflame
#542122 Gotta disagree with your numbers, especially on the OL. What you are saying is we need to sign at least 8. That's crazy IMHO. We have at least 2 solid starters returning in Sergeant and Duff and some others who can gives depth at a minimum. We have 3 solid commits. Give me 2 or 3 more and I'm good. There are needs at other positions too.
By ALAFlamesFan
#542125 I won't argue with you. I am ok with 3 more. I think we need 7-8 FBS caliber OL ready to go in any given game. One of our recruits got injured already and assume 1-2 injured in any given year. I think we are full at RB, WR, and QB. The lines are the biggest difference from FCS to FBS. Everything else should go to upgrading the D.
By olldflame
#542126
ALAFlamesFan wrote:I won't argue with you. I am ok with 3 more. I think we need 7-8 FBS caliber OL ready to go in any given game. One of our recruits got injured already and assume 1-2 injured in any given year. I think we are full at RB, WR, and QB. The lines are the biggest difference from FCS to FBS. Everything else should go to upgrading the D.


I agree that 7-8 in the OL rotation is a good number, and I would lean more toward 7. Chemistry is SO important there, and I really believe it's best to go mostly with your starting 5 if healthy. DL is another matter. So much energy is expended in pursuit, you really need to rotate players in and out if you want them to be able to go full out.
By jinxy
#542141 We are def taking a qb. Ideally lynum or sarrat though they through the backup offer out to a kid in nj last week. This is ideally the class you bring along buckshots replacement to redshirt a year and then watch a year.

Duff is solid outside of him we could upgrade everywhere. I would expect us to add 2 to 3 more o lineman with schlittler being a top target. Beebee and josh jefferson were top targets at one point though there trail is cold.

Ty cormier a 2 star d end is very likely to commit as well and im sure were still working on the 3 star de from texas.

So at minimum

Qb 1
Te 1
Ol 2 to 3.
Dl 2
Lb 1 to 2.
Secondary 2
Wr. None unless shorter or another stud pick us
Punter/kicker. 1.

That would give us 28. With 2 in the pocket.
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By Class of 20Something
#542253 The coaching staff needs to reach out to the jucos in Ventura California. That whole area got set on fire last night
By ballah09
#542365 According to his twitter Alex Barbir is transferring in. He was Tyler Davis back up at Penn State. He was expected to take over the starting role next year.

Was rated a 10 top Kicker out of high school.
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By Liberty22
#542370
ballah09 wrote:According to his twitter Alex Barbir is transferring in. He was Tyler Davis back up at Penn State. He was expected to take over the starting role next year.

Was rated a 10 top Kicker out of high school.


Nice find
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By Class of 20Something
#542371
Liberty22 wrote:
ballah09 wrote:According to his twitter Alex Barbir is transferring in. He was Tyler Davis back up at Penn State. He was expected to take over the starting role next year.

Was rated a 10 top Kicker out of high school.


Nice find


Turner is graduating this year right? Have we even offered a true punter?
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By FlamesHighontheTide
#542373 That is a great find. I know we have offered a juco punter who transferred out of Wyoming after his first year. He seems to be legit. Looking forward to this weekend and the recruits that hopefully are coming our way.
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By BJWilliams
#542387 Breaking down the Prospect thread a bit with a couple weeks until the ESP:

QB
6 still on the board
0 commits

RB
6 still on the board
2 commits

WR
11 still on the board
3 commits

TE
3 still on the board
1 commits

OL
17 still on the board
3 commits

DL (combined)
8 still on the board
3 commits (2 DT, 1 DE)

LB
5 still on the board
0 commits

DB
11 still on the board
2 commits

ATH
8 still on the board
1 commits
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By flameshaw
#542388
BJWilliams wrote:Breaking down the Prospect thread a bit with a couple weeks until the ESP:

QB
6 still on the board
0 commits

RB
6 still on the board
2 commits

WR
11 still on the board
3 commits

TE
3 still on the board
1 commits

OL
17 still on the board
3 commits

DL (combined)
8 still on the board
3 commits (2 DT, 1 DE)

LB
5 still on the board
0 commits

DB
11 still on the board
2 commits

ATH
8 still on the board
1 commits


Lots of work to do yet to make this a good class on paper. We won't know if it is a good class on the field, for another year.
By jinxy
#542395 Seems they are focusing mainly on jucos and existing commitments with their visits. Strange to me.
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By Class of 20Something
#542400
jinxy wrote:Seems they are focusing mainly on jucos and existing commitments with their visits. Strange to me.


Probably an ESD strategy. Focus efforts on relationships you've already built.
By ALAFlamesFan
#542402 Someone needs to help 247 out with an updated commitment list...

https://liberty.247sports.com/Season/20 ... ll/Commits
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By flameshaw
#542404
Chippy wrote:Need some FBS LBs to plug those gaps that everyone seem to run through all year.


Yep, the LB and DB positions seem to be an area of major need.
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By BJWilliams
#542411 We have almost a full starting five on the O with the pickup today of Schlitter. Id gun for LB and DB this next couple weeks before ESP.
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By FlamesHighontheTide
#542414 So, how does this line sound, 6'5 315; 6'2 330; 6'5 305; 6'5 303!!! :shock: Can you imagine feeding these behemoths!!!

Now, if we can land Bebee who is also a 3 star. We will have landed our very own Fab Five on the O-line.
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By Class of 20Something
#542420
FlamesHighontheTide wrote:So, how does this line sound, 6'5 315; 6'2 330; 6'5 305; 6'5 303!!! :shock: Can you imagine feeding these behemoths!!!

Now, if we can land Bebee who is also a 3 star. We will have landed our very own Fab Five on the O-line.


Could you imagine if they're all starting quality for 4 years? Just somehow have a dominant OLine out of nowhere? I may not be stoked about the staff, but this recruiting class is so good! We are going to be right in the mix with the boisie state classes within a few years.
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By Cider Jim
#542421 Are all of these freshmen, or are some JCs?
By olldflame
#542422
Cider Jim wrote:Are all of these freshmen, or are some JCs?


All of the OL commits will be FR, and we need to slow our roll a bit on proclaiming that a whole group of true FR will be starting in our OL next year because they had stars after their names coming out of HS. Don't get me wrong, it's amazing to get them and a must for the future of the program, but OL is probably the toughest positions for a kid coming out of HS to contribute immediately. I know some people seem to think our current OL is a bunch of scrubs, but they have the advantage of maturity, experience in our system and years in our S&C program, even if the new guys have more upside. I expect no more than 2 will play next year and we will really start reaping the benefits in 2019 and beyond. I would love to add Bebe as well.
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By FlamesHighontheTide
#542423 So far we have seen staff closely address the O & D lines. Right now of our 18 commitments 50% are on the line with more than likely 4 more to be added.

Any one have word on who MAY be on campus this weekend?

It would be HUGE to get Lynum, Ballard and Bebee along with some Jucos all at the same time.
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By lawrenceq
#542424
olldflame wrote:
Cider Jim wrote:Are all of these freshmen, or are some JCs?


All of the OL commits will be FR, and we need to slow our roll a bit on proclaiming that a whole group of true FR will be starting in our OL next year because they had stars after their names coming out of HS. Don't get me wrong, it's amazing to get them and a must for the future of the program, but OL is probably the toughest positions for a kid coming out of HS to contribute immediately. I know some people seem to think our current OL is a bunch of scrubs, but they have the advantage of maturity, experience in our system and years in our S&C program, even if the new guys have more upside. I expect no more than 2 will play next year and we will really start reaping the benefits in 2019 and beyond. I would love to add Bebe as well.


I agree 100%.
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By Jonathan Carone
#542428 I understand the excitement about the recent commitments, but I think we need to look deeper than the flashy stars. On the surface, these commitments are awesome. However, they point to one of the biggest issues this staff has faced in their six years: they have the ability to recruit talent but not the organization to put together great recruiting classes. They wait until there’s a problem and then stockpile at the position.

For example, look at 2013. We brought in six offensive linemen. Of those six linemen, only one of them spent more than two years at Liberty and none of them played out their full eligibility. By putting so many eggs in one basket, we set ourselves up to have no leadership at the position and, if the class didn't work out (and it didn't), it put us in a hole a couple years later.

We're setting ourselves up for the exact same thing to happen with this year's OL and DL classes.

Also, if we assume this class will work out and everyone will reach their potential (huge if at this point), we're setting ourselves up to have to stockpile linebackers in a few years since we don't currently have a single one in this class.

This staff is talented at recruiting kids. We just don't have the leadership to have a plan moving forward to where we're constantly reloading players instead of having giant sweeping rebuilding years.

Lastly - if you want to see what the results of an FBS transitional team with all freshmen offensive linemen looks like, go look at Coastal's results this year. These guys we're signing this year won't be able to make significant contributions until 2019 or 2020 at best.