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Groh-Rocco Relations

Posted: January 25th, 2007, 10:51 pm
by Sly Fox
From our friends at the Roanoke fishwrap:
No hard feelings between Groh, Rocco
Lynchburg shuttle of some concern

By Doug Doughty


Virginia football coach Al Groh and his former assistant, Danny Rocco, have almost identical recollections of the conversations they held over the Christmas holidays.

Rocco, who has just completed his first season at Liberty, said he might have spoken to Groh as many as five times. Most of the conversations applied to Marshal Ausberry, a former Cavalier offensive lineman who enrolled at Liberty this week.

Ausberry is the third former UVa player to join Rocco in Lynchburg, following offensive tackle Eddie Pinigis and defensive end Vince Redd. Pinigis was a second-team All-Big South selection this past season.

“Look, if they’re not of primary importance to us here, I’d like to see them helping him out,” Groh said this week. “There’s nobody we’d rather see do well than Danny.”

Redd was dismissed from Virginia’s team last spring and could not have rejoined the Cavaliers without great difficulty. Pinigis lost his starting job at UVa during the preseason of 2006 and, when he didn’t get much satisfaction in a face-to-face meeting with Groh, bolted on the eve of fall classes.

The departure of Ausberry, who started 11 games during UVa’s 2005 Music City Bowl season, was a slightly different story. He would have been welcome to return as a fifth-year senior in 2006 and would have provided depth and flexibility for a veteran Cavaliers’ offensive line.

Will this be the last UVa player to Liberty for a while?

“We’ll see,” Groh said. “As I wrapped up the conversation with Danny, I was like, ‘Hey, Danny, this is fine, but I want to make sure this doesn’t become a trend and everybody sees this as a way out.’

“I could see one guy telling the other guy, ‘Hey, you know, this is a great deal. Just come on down there and do this.’"

It’s easy to visualize that kind of conversation between Ausberry and Pinigis, fellow UVa starters for a period in 2005.

What makes the Ausberry situation a little more palatable for Groh is that Ausberry at least has a UVa degree.

“He’s a veteran player who played for us the year before and did a nice job for us,” Groh said. “What changed his situation was, [Jordy] Lipsey came on so strong in training camp that he was clearly one of the best five linemen.”

Lipsey started every game at center after a preseason battle with Ian-Yates Cunningham.

An undersized Lipsey can’t play guard, “but Cunningham can,” Groh explained. “Cunningham went over and played better at guard than Marshal did. So, that changed that circumstance.”

But, Ausberry “is a veteran player, who we’ve trained, who knows the system, who was always one play away from going in,” Groh continued.

Virginia was remarkably injury-free in the offensive line this year. That might not be the case in 2007.

“He would have given us the opportunity, if the circumstance had come up, to keep us from playing a young player a year earlier than we wanted to,” Groh said. “But, frankly, I was a bit surprised, when he was first offered the opportunity, that he said he would come back under those circumstances.

“Then, he said came back at Christmas and said, ‘I’ve been thinking about this and I think I’m going to graduate and go to Liberty.’ I think it would have been a shame, as I’ve told a couple other guys, ‘Hey, I’m all for football, but in the grand scheme of things, to play 10 or 11 games at that level and give up a degree from Virginia is not a great, long-range deal.'”

Along those lines, Groh said he has spoken recently with quarterback Kevin McCabe, hero of the Cavaliers’ overtime victory over Wyoming this past season. McCabe, benched before halftime in his first UVa start, has said he wants to spend his fifth season of eligibility at a lower level, but McCabe is enrolled for the spring term at Virginia.

“He’s going to stay through his graduation here, then play at one of those Pennsylvania teachers’ colleges,” Groh said.

McCabe will not take part in spring drills at Virginia, Groh confirmed.

There are a number of former Virginia players at various stages of eligibility and it would not be surprising for one or more to surface at Liberty. That group includes defensive lineman Chris Johnson, defensive back Phillip Brown, wide receiver Bud Davis and defensive back Robbie Catterton.

It would not bother Groh to see any of them at Liberty and he’s not losing sleep over the players who have left to date.

Gone from a prospective fifth-year senior group in 2007 are McCabe; Ausberry; scholarship long snapper Tyrus Gardner, whose academic ineligibility might be challenged in an appeal, and seldom-used nose tackle Keenan Carter, who has applied for the NFL Draft.

“Marshal was accurate in his assessment that, unless something happened, he probably wasn’t going to play,” Groh said. “I can understand why a guy would say, ‘Look, I’ve got one more year in front of me; I’d like to play in the games.’

“As it works out here, we have to manage numbers in a little different way than other places,” Groh said. “If you can gray-shirt guys [and bring recruits in at mid-year], there is no limit to how many players you can take.”

Virginia hasn’t allowed a recruit to enter at mid-year since Ahmad Brooks in 2003, after he had spent the fall of 2002 at Hargrave Military Academy. Brooks battled academic issues throughout his three-year UVa career, although he was never ineligible.

When teams gray-shirt, they have the option of counting a player toward the class he joins or the class that will join him.

“You never stop taking a good player,” said Groh, explaining that if a player puts a class over the 25-scholarship NCAA limit, “you just tell him to come five months later. Here, that’s just not a circumstance.”

“Since we always have to be cognizant of the numbers, if you’re put in the position of trading one year for four or five, then sometimes we’ll make the decision for the younger guy.”
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Posted: January 25th, 2007, 11:56 pm
by SuperJon
The guys on the Sabre can't understand why anyone in their right mind would pick LU over JMU or W&M or Richmond. It's kind of funny. They think we suck and that you can't get a good education here.

Posted: January 26th, 2007, 12:16 am
by ATrain
UVA is full of snobs...I expect that attitude out of them.

Posted: January 26th, 2007, 12:48 am
by thesportscritic
ATrain wrote:UVA is full of snobs...I expect that attitude out of them.
aint that the truth

Posted: January 26th, 2007, 9:00 am
by TDDance234
They're probably getting better coaching from Rocco than they would ever get from Groh.

Posted: January 26th, 2007, 9:01 am
by SuperJon
Ouch. You went there.

Posted: January 26th, 2007, 9:11 am
by Cider Jim
The guys on the Sabre can't understand why anyone in their right mind would pick LU over JMU or W&M or Richmond.
They should come over and take a tour of our facilities--see our new football operations center and Fieldturf stadium, DeMoss, Vines, our indoor track & ice rink, and even our new blimp. :D

Heck, even Shaq trains here at LU in the off season. :P

Posted: January 26th, 2007, 9:12 am
by SuperJon
DeMoss and the Vines are nothing to get all happy about.

Posted: January 26th, 2007, 9:19 am
by Cider Jim
DeMoss and the Vines are nothing to get all happy about.
DeMoss is nicer than most of the buldings at UVa and Vines compared favorably to U-Hall before UVa built their new John Paul Jones Area. The great thing about U-Hall was that visiting fans could park right next to the area for free vs. having to walk a half a mile at LU if you don't have one of those big-money gold or red Flames Club parking passes that start at $250.

Posted: January 26th, 2007, 9:25 am
by SuperJon
But the DeMoss argument isn't good. Most, if not all, colleges have at least one "DeMoss." Coastal had two of them.

Posted: January 26th, 2007, 9:36 am
by Cider Jim
Most, if not all, colleges have at least one "DeMoss." Coastal had two of them.
If LU had 2 buildings like that, I know what I'd like to call the second one--LIBRARY. :idea:

Posted: January 26th, 2007, 9:45 am
by SuperJon
Haha. Yea, I was kind of surprised that LU's Library is on one floor in DeMoss.

Posted: January 26th, 2007, 9:48 am
by ATrain
And the big rumor regarding the reason for that: the upper floors can't hold that much dead weight. Thats also why the bookstore couldn't go upstairs either (and thats coming from the manager when I worked there). Of course, others on this board claim it can, but that is the prevailing rumor around campus.

Posted: January 26th, 2007, 9:50 am
by Cider Jim
LU's Library is on one floor in DeMoss.
Actually, it's only on PART of one floor in DeMoss--most of the 1st floor of DeMoss is classrooms, with only about a third of the space being a library. In contrast, I think UVa's Alderman library has something like 7 or 8 floors of library, but most of them are underground.

Posted: January 26th, 2007, 9:53 am
by bigsmooth
you guys know how to fire me up! first of all all you tech hacks..look on tech sideline, and your fans are saying the same thing about LU. that is the prevalent idea about LU is weak academics. now to atrain's snob comment.....yeah their are plenty of snobs at UVA, but critic, have you ever been to UNC?? it is much like UVA ...a bit weaker academics. atrain, get over it on your hatred and name calling of UVA and go play with some cows :D and yeah groh is horrible...everyone knows that.

Posted: January 26th, 2007, 9:57 am
by bigsmooth
another thing...yeah in the business world a UVA degree opens more doors than LU, so does a VT degree. let's be real. it is the name. im sure the eudcation is just as good here at LU , but it's all in the name.

Posted: January 26th, 2007, 9:58 am
by bigsmooth
cider jim, give me some of the cider you drink. demoss better than the historic buildings at UVA?? dude you have lost your mind!!

Posted: January 26th, 2007, 10:00 am
by bigsmooth
bud davis was kicked out of UVA for stealing and went to jail, and philip brown had some run-ins with the law. i doubt those guys will be at liberty.

Posted: January 26th, 2007, 10:02 am
by ATrain
In regards to your cow reference Smoothie, you should know the Liberty Way forbids pets on campus-except fish.

Posted: January 26th, 2007, 10:02 am
by SuperJon
For anyone to think LU is better than UVA is a little crazy.

Posted: January 26th, 2007, 10:03 am
by bigsmooth
that's the best comeback you have??? :lol:

Posted: January 26th, 2007, 10:08 am
by LUconn
ha, talk about riled up. You just posted 4 times in a row.

Posted: January 26th, 2007, 10:18 am
by PAmedic
somebody get that man a towel

Posted: January 26th, 2007, 10:19 am
by Cider Jim
demoss better than the historic buildings at UVA?? dude you have lost your mind!!
Calm down, Smoothie, I'm not comparing DeMoss to the academical village at UVa; I was just saying than DeMoss is more impressive that "most" (I should have said "many" or "some") of the buildings at UVa--and I made no reference to the Rotunda or any of Mr. Jefferson's original buildings. I've just spent much time at Ruffner Hall (the school of education) at UVa, and DeMoss is much nicer than that; at Ruffner, the profs' offices have cinderblock walls. Also, our Jazzman's Cafe in the ILRC is even better than the little coffee shop UVa has inside their Alderman library.

And I only had one school of education professor at UVa who ever used PowerPoint, so at least the LU profs seem to be more up on their technology than "some" of the profs at UVa.

Posted: January 26th, 2007, 10:24 am
by jcmanson
Smoothie, calm down. It's alright. We all know that UVa is looked upon to be better academically than LU, and always will be. UVa fans and Tech fans alike will always look down on LU as being a 2nd rate school. It's the way things are and always will be.

ATrain, their are snobs at many universities, including UVa, Tech, UNC, Duke, etc. Everyone wants to think their school is the best, and will do and say whatever they can to prove that.