Re: 2023 CUSA Schedule release
Posted: November 26th, 2022, 12:19 am
I don’t really see any of these schools becoming a rivalry
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cruzan_flame13 wrote: ↑November 26th, 2022, 2:08 am I really hope we don't have to wait 10-15 years for another realignment. This conference is really atrocious when it comes to football. Maybe we can boost academia up and somehow get some interest in the ACC (at least) if they still exist around 2030. I would rather the Big XII though; just keeping my hopes up folksI think B10 and SEC come calling for 4 ACC teams before 2030. Probably Duke and Virginia to B10 and Clemson and a Florida team to SEC.
BuryYourDuke wrote: ↑November 25th, 2022, 11:37 pm I know we basically had no choice based on the way things were going….but what an absolute dumpster fire of a football conference. Not a single attractive game. Not even one.On the flipside, if we go undefeated, we have a good chance of playing in great bowl that is part of playoffs each year, perhaps even two great bowls with a hugh upset in first playoff game. Other two conferences will be knocking each other out.
Again, not criticizing the move, we did what we had to do. It’s just such a drop in quality that it is hard to be excited as a fan.
sstaedtler wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 1:27 am We aren't getting a Power 5 invite anytime soon. I think we should be playing some AAC teams to try to make our team attractive to that conference. Here's why:Seems like you forgot “tv market” which was entire focus of AAC.
1. Our athletic budget is like a mid-tier AAC team now.
2. We certainly have good enough facilities to be in the AAC and we had more attendance than 3 of their teams.
3. The AAC contract makes a lot more money than the Sun Belt one.
4. The Sun Belt has refused to take any private colleges, only public institutions. AAC already has 4 private college, Tulane, Tulsa, SMU, and Rice.
5. Charlotte, East Carolina, and Navy would be local rivals, something we don't have now.
6. Sun Belt teams love their conference, but the Sun Belt is not a path to P5.
The only reason we aren't a candidate is academics, so we'd have to improve it.
sstaedtler wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 1:27 am We aren't getting a Power 5 invite anytime soon. I think we should be playing some AAC teams to try to make our team attractive to that conference. Here's why:I don't think academics has much to do with conference realignment. (remember Louisville joining ACC). Football drives the train, except for a couple basketball schools probably. I cannot see Charlotte being a rival for anyone except maybe Gardner Webb.
1. Our athletic budget is like a mid-tier AAC team now.
2. We certainly have good enough facilities to be in the AAC and we had more attendance than 3 of their teams.
3. The AAC contract makes a lot more money than the Sun Belt one.
4. The Sun Belt has refused to take any private colleges, only public institutions. AAC already has 4 private college, Tulane, Tulsa, SMU, and Rice.
5. Charlotte, East Carolina, and Navy would be local rivals, something we don't have now.
6. Sun Belt teams love their conference, but the Sun Belt is not a path to P5.
The only reason we aren't a candidate is academics, so we'd have to improve it.
aredd33 wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 3:19 pmNot disagreeing at all, but every campus has something going on. This week local news here is reporting two sexual assaults at NC State.Sly Fox wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 2:23 pm ... and if we could quit giving them excuses not to invite us with scandal after scandal. That would help.Bingo. That's the ticket right there.
ballcoach15 wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 10:53 am95% of P5s (66 of 69 including notre dame) are R1. Wake forest, TCU and Baylor are the only R2s and there are no R3s like us.
I don't think academics has much to do with conference realignment. (remember Louisville joining ACC). Football drives the train, except for a couple basketball schools probably. I cannot see Charlotte being a rival for anyone except maybe Gardner Webb.
Ill flame wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 4:09 pmSo for less than our FB coaching staff budget annually, we can become R1 ? Seems like a pretty simple barrier to overcome...ballcoach15 wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 10:53 am95% of P5s (66 of 69 including notre dame) are R1. Wake forest, TCU and Baylor are the only R2s and there are no R3s like us.
I don't think academics has much to do with conference realignment. (remember Louisville joining ACC). Football drives the train, except for a couple basketball schools probably. I cannot see Charlotte being a rival for anyone except maybe Gardner Webb.
Meanwhile only 24 G5s are R1 and everyone in the AAC (except navy) is R1 or R2. Markets can be overcome but academics are a huge deal. No G5 conference with options is going to add a R3 and no P5 conference with options will add a R2. It's just the way university presidents operate.
Ill flame wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 4:09 pmLouisville an R1?! Kinda shoots BC’s theory out of the water.ballcoach15 wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 10:53 am95% of P5s (66 of 69 including notre dame) are R1. Wake forest, TCU and Baylor are the only R2s and there are no R3s like us.
I don't think academics has much to do with conference realignment. (remember Louisville joining ACC). Football drives the train, except for a couple basketball schools probably. I cannot see Charlotte being a rival for anyone except maybe Gardner Webb.
Meanwhile only 24 G5s are R1 and everyone in the AAC (except navy) is R1 or R2. Markets can be overcome but academics are a huge deal. No G5 conference with options is going to add a R3 and no P5 conference with options will add a R2. It's just the way university presidents operate.
tyndal23 wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 5:44 pmTo reach R2 its that simple but the "score high in a Research Activity Index calculation" part of the criteria is a much bigger barrier that will take us decades to reach.Ill flame wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 4:09 pmSo for less than our FB coaching staff budget annually, we can become R1 ? Seems like a pretty simple barrier to overcome...ballcoach15 wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 10:53 am95% of P5s (66 of 69 including notre dame) are R1. Wake forest, TCU and Baylor are the only R2s and there are no R3s like us.
I don't think academics has much to do with conference realignment. (remember Louisville joining ACC). Football drives the train, except for a couple basketball schools probably. I cannot see Charlotte being a rival for anyone except maybe Gardner Webb.
Meanwhile only 24 G5s are R1 and everyone in the AAC (except navy) is R1 or R2. Markets can be overcome but academics are a huge deal. No G5 conference with options is going to add a R3 and no P5 conference with options will add a R2. It's just the way university presidents operate.
https://ssti.org/blog/2021-carnegie-cla ... s-released
Sly Fox wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 2:23 pm ... and if we could quit giving them excuses not to invite us with scandal after scandal. That would help.Because other universities don't have scandal after scandal cough Michigan State cough Ohio State cough Penn State cough duke cough Baylor cough Minnesota.............
aredd33 wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 3:19 pmHas absolutely nothing to do with it. Liberty's "scandals" are childs play compared to every other university in the nationSly Fox wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 2:23 pm ... and if we could quit giving them excuses not to invite us with scandal after scandal. That would help.Bingo. That's the ticket right there.
cruzan_flame13 wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 4:01 pmLiberty's scandals don't even make the radar outside of Virginia or Christan circles, the Hulu movie shows complete desperation to make the "scandal" look big to people but it didn't workSly Fox wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 2:23 pm ... and if we could quit giving them excuses not to invite us with scandal after scandal. That would help.We still wouldn't have been included if those scandals never existed. If it makes folks sleep well at night to believe that, then sure.
Ill flame wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 6:34 pmI wouldn't play their silly academia games. Just dominate on the football field, make the playoff consistently and they won't be able to ignore you. They are never going to "like" a private Christan school and are likely to just keep moving the bar and/or finding excuses.tyndal23 wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 5:44 pmTo reach R2 its that simple but the "score high in a Research Activity Index calculation" part of the criteria is a much bigger barrier that will take us decades to reach.Ill flame wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 4:09 pmSo for less than our FB coaching staff budget annually, we can become R1 ? Seems like a pretty simple barrier to overcome...
95% of P5s (66 of 69 including notre dame) are R1. Wake forest, TCU and Baylor are the only R2s and there are no R3s like us.
Meanwhile only 24 G5s are R1 and everyone in the AAC (except navy) is R1 or R2. Markets can be overcome but academics are a huge deal. No G5 conference with options is going to add a R3 and no P5 conference with options will add a R2. It's just the way university presidents operate.
https://ssti.org/blog/2021-carnegie-cla ... s-released
Tnobes wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 7:00 pmBingo. That will always be an issue for us because LU is not just a Christian school by name. It's not hard to see the issue looking at how society operates. It will only get worse because Christ is the enemy. This is involved with academia and sports, but I suppose folks expect these presidents and donors from the "prestigious"schools to tell us that? Oh no, they have their fan bases to do that.Ill flame wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 6:34 pmI wouldn't play their silly academia games. Just dominate on the football field, make the playoff consistently and they won't be able to ignore you. They are never going to "like" a private Christan school and are likely to just keep moving the bar and/or finding excuses.tyndal23 wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 5:44 pmTo reach R2 its that simple but the "score high in a Research Activity Index calculation" part of the criteria is a much bigger barrier that will take us decades to reach.
So for less than our FB coaching staff budget annually, we can become R1 ? Seems like a pretty simple barrier to overcome...
https://ssti.org/blog/2021-carnegie-cla ... s-released
Tnobes wrote: ↑December 9th, 2022, 7:00 pmBYU won a national championship with a fanbase at least 3 times bigger than ours and they were still ignored for decades with their R2 classification. If they were R1, P5 presidents would've been much more likely to hold their nose and vote for them to join their conference.
I wouldn't play their silly academia games. Just dominate on the football field, make the playoff consistently and they won't be able to ignore you. They are never going to "like" a private Christan school and are likely to just keep moving the bar and/or finding excuses.