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ballah09 wrote: ↑December 27th, 2020, 7:02 pm Most the seniors are using their eligibility. Dearmon tweeted that 10 starters are returning on offense and I'm willing to bet that the defense will have around 9-10 starters returning . Add the recruits and the transfers. We should be top 25.That’s going to be the case at a lot of schools. I wouldn’t be surprised either way. LU has a good claim at a PreSeason Top 25 spot. But a lot of teams that either didn’t play this year or played a truncated season will too. It would be cool it they were
Ill flame wrote: ↑December 27th, 2020, 8:26 pm I think we will receive votes but it's really hard for a non P5 team to be ranked in the preseason poll. Teams like LSU, penn St, michigan, auburn and wisconsin will find a way to make it in over us.You gotta think BYU Cincy and Coastal will be.
Jonathan Carone wrote: ↑December 27th, 2020, 9:21 pm Coastal has already had two of their top guys say they're going to the draft. Four of their offensive linemen were fifth year seniors. Their success will be very dependent on who takes the extra year and who doesn’t.Yeah, that’s why it’s pre season. A lot of credit is given to past success and an assumption you will continue it. The voters will assume Coastal will. Malik’s big game and having Freeze will have LU on their minds
Purple Haize wrote: ↑December 27th, 2020, 8:46 pmCincy definitely will be especially if they win their bowl game. BYU will receive votes but probably won't make the top 25 if they lose their QB to the draft. If CCU would've beat us I think they would've been an automatic preseason top 25 team but now I'm not sure. I would really like to see at least 4 or 5 non P5 teams make it but that historically doesn't happen unfortunately.
You gotta think BYU Cincy and Coastal will be.
Ill flame wrote: ↑December 27th, 2020, 11:45 pm To give you guys an idea how the voters have been treating non P5 teams here are the non P5 pre/postseason poll results over the last 5 years.Looking at this list, what’s interesting is how the preseason rankings get it right so often. In every single case until this year, the team who finished the season ranked and is ranked in the next preseason ends up being the only G5 team that was ranked at the end of the previous season to be ranked at the end of the current season. Other than the teams predicted to continue their success, it’s a whole new cast of characters. The only time that didn’t hold true was this year, and that was actually because of a team dropping off from the preseason rankings (UCF), not one that was missed from the previous year.
2015:
Postseason
#8 Houston
#18 Navy
#24 western kentucky
2016:
Preseason
#15 Houston
Postseason
#15 Western Michigan
#19 USF
#25 SDSU
2017:
Preseason
#19 USF
Postseason
#6 UCF
#21 USF
#25 Memphis
2018:
Preseason
#21 UCF
#22 Boise St
Postseason
#11 UCF
#18 Fresno St
#19 Army
#22 Utah St
#23 Boise St
2019:
Preseason
#17 UCF
Postseason
#17 Memphis
#19 App St
#20 Navy
#21 Cincinnati
#22 Air Force
#23 Boise St
#24 UCF
2020:
Preseason
#20 Cincinnati
#21 UCF
Pre Bowl:
#6 Cincinnati
#9 CCU (will drop)
#13 BYU
#16 Louisiana
#19 San Jose St
#22 Tulsa
#23 Liberty
Clearly the AP voters have been trending towards voting for G5 teams in recent years but they still don't get much respect in the preseason polls. Historically only one or two non P5 teams will be preseason top 25 and that will be Cincinnati and potentially whoever goes into next season with the most hype out of the other ranked teams.
I think it's also important to note how important preseason polls can be towards shaping the narrative around a season, especially for G5 teams.
ballcoach15 wrote: ↑December 28th, 2020, 9:30 am When comparing "pre" and "post", it's evident the pollsters don't know much about football in "pre-season", or they show favoritism toward P5 teams.Which is why you’d make a great pollster
thepostman wrote: ↑December 28th, 2020, 9:44 am A lot of non P5 schools who end the season season in the top 25 usually lose a lot of players or lose their coach or both so there is a ton of unknowns about them so that would explain why so many don't end up in the pre-season polls.I bet if LU declared themselves P5 equivalent over the next week or two they be ranked in the Pre Season
We aren't losing much and are keeping our coach. That may help us a bit but we probably start the season on the outside looking in. Part of life as a new non-P5 FBS program.
TallyW wrote: ↑December 28th, 2020, 11:39 am I just love that this conversation is even occurring on this board. In August we were wondering if we’d beat WKU.2020 has been a strange year indeed
Sly Fox wrote: ↑December 28th, 2020, 1:13 pm I will be pleasantly surprised if we wind up Top 25 preseason. I expect us to be right on the cusp on entry. But with our schedule setting up the way it does, we should get off to a great start to merit the placement. Outside of wildcard Syracuse in Week 4, all of our toughest opponents are in November.I was thinking this too. Especially with a lot of the talent around him leaving.
With the bowl game out of the way and three years (at least) of eligibility ahead of him, I am almost surprised McCall hasn't entered the transfer portal because his prospects would be very intriguing.
ballcoach15 wrote: ↑December 28th, 2020, 12:51 pm I'd love to find pre season predictions on this board, from August or September , for this season.The schedule releases at this post below. Following are some of the predictions.
ballcoach15 wrote: ↑December 28th, 2020, 12:51 pm I'd love to find pre season predictions on this board, from August or September , for this season.viewtopic.php?p=591914#p591914
Sly Fox wrote: ↑December 28th, 2020, 1:13 pm I will be pleasantly surprised if we wind up Top 25 preseason. I expect us to be right on the cusp on entry. But with our schedule setting up the way it does, we should get off to a great start to merit the placement. Outside of wildcard Syracuse in Week 4, all of our toughest opponents are in November.Yes, he could start almost anywhere (except LU). He would indeed get better exposure at a P5 school. He has NFL potential for sure.
With the bowl game out of the way and three years (at least) of eligibility ahead of him, I am almost surprised McCall hasn't entered the transfer portal because his prospects would be very intriguing.