[Jonathan Carone]

I'm only ten minutes into his talk from convo and it looks/feels sincere. The more I talk to people who have been around and met Freeze on one of his trips, they've said it looked/felt sincere as well. So I'm getting to where I believe the prostitution piece was a mistake and moral failure that he's truly moved on from. That makes me happy to see because it just shows the power of the Gospel.

I'm still not convinced the recruiting violation allegations are worth overlooking. I know it's the SEC and everyone does it. I know it happened before he was there and is likely still happening. But that piece is still sticking with me.

[TallyW]

West Virginia needs a travel partner

Knock it off, Tally. My heart can’t take it.

Facts.

[Cider Jim]

West Virginia needs a travel partner

I was feeling the love until you ruined it with that last sentence.

[TallyW]

It's true. You think those schools love sending their Olympic sports across the country for one dance in Morgantown?

That has to get old.

[ballcoach15]

SEC West is not the Big South Conference. Toughest league in all of football.

[flameshaw]

Also - why the heck is the VP for Spiritual Life doing interviews with a Tennessee fan blog about our next coach?

Apparently he is a personal friend. Probably not my first choice either but it's the job of the writer or his editor to find people to interview for a piece

I get why the writer would ask the question. But Nasser has no place commenting on the future of our football program in an official capacity. He should've turned the interview down. Then again, Nasser loves him some Nasser so of course he didn't.

AMEN to that brother. Personally don't care for him at all. Back to HF.

[flamesfilmguy]

I'm so glad our Lord doesn't follow your line of thinking. "You repented and I have forgiven you. But letting you into heaven in my Father's very presence? Not a good idea. Sorry."

I'm glad Jonathan responded to this before I saw it. I'll just +1 his response. It was worded much better than what mine would have been.

[flameshaw]

The NCAA will set up a satellite shop anywhere Hugh Freeze pops up. He left Ole Miss in shambles and they have to vacate many of his wins (including the sugar bowl victory). 15 level one violations under Coach Freeze at Ole Miss including the big one - lack of institutional control. Forget the escort stuff and just let the NCAA stuff sink in. They haven't had a winning season since 2015 and they are devastated now. Next year will be really bad and probably the year after. The sanctions have gutted Ole Miss football and Hugh Freeze was the man that oversaw every bit of it. Heck, he even used an FCA rep in Memphis to bring prospects to Oxford. Some of the more updated violations are sort of silly but that's the point. Once the NCAA zeroes in that you are cheating or you have a coach that has a history of cheating you draw their attention and they will look and look hard! Read this article about the 2nd round of investigations (this was after an investigation in 2015 as well):

https://www.sbnation.com/college-footba ... dated-2017

Let's don't look the other way guys. Liberty's reputation is at stake. Thanks again for letting me share. I really want this to go well. I know good people are the wheel. Hoping they do the right thing.

I actually think this is a positive. What better way to keep him in line spiritually, with a job at LU and professionally, with the NCAA looking over his shoulder? Just make sure it is understood that there is a strong no tolerance policy in place. He is my number 2 choice behind Streeter.

[R i]

SEC West is not the Big South Conference. Toughest league in all of football.

3 out of 5 years went below .500 , Including his first and last.

I understand hes a good coach, and offensive guru that is sought after by Tennessee and Alabama. That record as a head coach is not enough to accept the baggage. Prostitution and sexual immorality is something that can be forgiven on a personal level and affect his family mainly.

Its the 15 Level One Violations that are not necessarily moral issues, but lack of control of a program. The impact of that here at LU would be detrimental to our program. We need a guy that has proven he can run a clean program and not stunt our growth at this most crucial time.

[flamehunter]

I'm so glad our Lord doesn't follow your line of thinking. "You repented and I have forgiven you. But letting you into heaven in my Father's very presence? Not a good idea. Sorry."

I'm glad Jonathan responded to this before I saw it. I'll just +1 his response. It was worded much better than what mine would have been.

You guys are right. You're looking at it from the standpoint of how we forgive people as humans. I was expecting too much to think we could forgive as God does and restore someone like he did the adulterous woman who was nearly stoned. Or the woman at the well. He did not condemn them but His directive to them was go and sin no more. No caveats. We forgive and then say but we're going to need to look over your shoulder for the next X number of years to make sure you mean what you say. So from a practical standpoint I was taking it too far. Unfortunately that's human nature.

[cruzan_flame13]

SEC West is not the Big South Conference. Toughest league in all of football.

3 out of 5 years went below .500 , Including his first and last.

I understand hes a good coach, and offensive guru that is sought after by Tennessee and Alabama. That record as a head coach is not enough to accept the baggage. Prostitution and sexual immorality is something that can be forgiven on a personal level and affect his family mainly.

Its the 15 Level One Violations that are not necessarily moral issues, but lack of control of a program. The impact of that here at LU would be detrimental to our program. We need a guy that has proven he can run a clean program and not stunt our growth at this most crucial time.

I understand, but I wouldn't walk away from supporting LU if they hired Freeze, even though he's not my first choice and the media will have a hay day with this. But it's the media, we know whose side they're on. This is not the end of the world folks and I'm sure recruits would still want to play for Freeze and represent the school ;the vision will still be here with or without him. I still want Streeter since he actually was involved with our program.

[Jonathan Carone]

Just because Jesus forgives the sin immediately doesn’t mean there aren’t practical consequences here on earth that result from the sin.

[thepostman]

It is always interesting to me how much easier some folks have displaying grace when someone is really talented at something, especially in sports.

I am not saying the man shouldn't be forgiven and possibly be given a chance here but just an observation.

[Purple Haize]

It is always interesting to me how much easier some folks have displaying grace when someone is really talented at something, especially in sports.

I am not saying the man shouldn't be forgiven and possibly be given a chance here but just an observation.

You suck at everything. I wouldn’t give you a second chance at the Express Lane at Wal Mart. 12 Items or less mean 12 Items or Less. Not 15 items.

[R i]

My first choice would be Streeter. But we couldn’t get a better football coach than Freeze.

Im not seeing anything that impressive. Especially considering the violations. Can Freeze do it without the shady tactics ? He barely did it with the shady tactics.

NEXT.

[Purple Haize]

My first choice would be Streeter. But we couldn’t get a better football coach than Freeze.

Im not seeing anything that impressive. Especially considering the violations. Can Freeze do it without the shady tactics ? He barely did it with the shady tactics.

NEXT.

So we will put you down as a No then

[TallyW]

It's possible the same people show the level of grace to everyone.

It's also possible that we feel we can be anti-Freeze when we are discussing a public figure.

Elevating or tearing down people based on their wealth, success, or platform should equally be frowned upon as Christians. God is no respecter of persons.

There are consequences to sin. There is forgiveness. Entitlement is a bad thing and so is vengeance. Somewhere in between is making a sound hiring decision.

[cruzan_flame13]

Just because Jesus forgives the sin immediately doesn’t mean there aren’t practical consequences here on earth that result from the sin.

How bad does the consequence(s) have to be and based on whose terms? I think people put too much emotions into these things as though a sin is greater than the other ( although blaspheming the Holy Spirit is the worst and the other one which I will not mention that was described as an abomination). Well you have the right to cast that emotion or respectable opinion, but at the end of the day the decision will be made and Freeze will get the job or not. Freeze should receive another chance in his situation just like we get another chance when we make bad decisions. But hey, continue casting sins/mistakes on levels; sometimes I do that as well and it's foolish.

[cruzan_flame13]

It is always interesting to me how much easier some folks have displaying grace when someone is really talented at something, especially in sports.

I am not saying the man shouldn't be forgiven and possibly be given a chance here but just an observation.

At times that happens (don't act you haven't done that at all ). I would rather Streeter but some people seem to be ready to cast the first stone and act like folks do not already trash LU entirely. LU still strives even with those accusations and mocking, so this will not be the end of the world. Don't be shocked if they will folks who will say that we Christians turn our backs on a fellow believer because of his past. "Don't they have pasts too?!! I told you, they are arrogant and believe they're perfect!!"[as an example]. People are just really ignorant and would do anything to mock Christians.

[TH Spangler]

Well the same naysayers for IM (best hire we ever made) are saying the same thing about Freeze. Therefore I'm all in, sign the contract.

[cruzan_flame13]

Well the same naysayers for IM (best hire we ever made) are saying the same thing about Freeze. Therefore I'm all in, sign the contract.

Another point; you can't please everyone.

[Purple Haize]

It's possible the same people show the level of grace to everyone.

It's also possible that we feel we can be anti-Freeze when we are discussing a public figure.

Elevating or tearing down people based on their wealth, success, or platform should equally be frowned upon as Christians. God is no respecter of persons.

There are consequences to sin. There is forgiveness. Entitlement is a bad thing and so is vengeance. Somewhere in between is making a sound hiring decision.

So what are you suggesting? That he should never coach again? He should go to work at a factory somewhere? Some environment where his every minute can be accounted for? What is his proper penance according to you? What life must be now lead?

[ElmersTwin]

Just because Jesus forgives the sin immediately doesn’t mean there aren’t practical consequences here on earth that result from the sin.

How bad does the consequence(s) have to be and based on whose terms? I think people put too much emotions into these things as though a sin is greater than the other ( although blaspheming the Holy Spirit is the worst and the other one which I will not mention that was described as an abomination). Well you have the right to cast that emotion or respectable opinion, but at the end of the day the decision will be made and Freeze will get the job or not. Freeze should receive another chance in his situation just like we get another chance when we make bad decisions. But hey, continue casting sins/mistakes on levels; sometimes I do that as well and it's foolish.

I don't think anyone is casting any judgement about one sin outweighing another at all, or that because he's made mistakes in his past that we should cast him aside. He should get another shot at some point, but to throw him back at the top of the food chain considering the terrible oversight he had over the Ole Miss program would be incredibly irresponsible on our end.

[TallyW]

It's possible the same people show the level of grace to everyone.

It's also possible that we feel we can be anti-Freeze when we are discussing a public figure.

Elevating or tearing down people based on their wealth, success, or platform should equally be frowned upon as Christians. God is no respecter of persons.

There are consequences to sin. There is forgiveness. Entitlement is a bad thing and so is vengeance. Somewhere in between is making a sound hiring decision.

So what are you suggesting? That he should never coach again? He should go to work at a factory somewhere? Some environment where his every minute can be accounted for? What is his proper penance according to you? What life must be now lead?

You've obviously not read anything else I've posted on this topic. I'll let you catch up and figure out if you shot before you aimed.

[thepostman]

It is always interesting to me how much easier some folks have displaying grace when someone is really talented at something, especially in sports.

I am not saying the man shouldn't be forgiven and possibly be given a chance here but just an observation.

At times that happens (don't act you haven't done that at all ). I would rather Streeter but some people seem to be ready to cast the first stone and act like folks do not already trash LU entirely. LU still strives even with those accusations and mocking, so this will not be the end of the world. Don't be shocked if they will folks who will say that we Christians turn our backs on a fellow believer because of his past. "Don't they have pasts too?!! I told you, they are arrogant and believe they're perfect!!"[as an example]. People are just really ignorant and would do anything to mock Christians.

I am perfect. I would never do such things

(this is a joke just fyi)