[olldflame]

After reviewing CSU scores, we should win, and game not be close.

The same could have been said for St. Francis, Monmouth and KSU.

St Francis, yes, but let's give KSU and Monmouth some credit. They are both 9-1, and there is a good chance both will be in the playoffs. I think KSU has the better at-large resume, so KK and co. Should be silently pulling for the Hawks.

[ballcoach15]

Has any BSC school ever got at large bid in football

[phoenix]

Has any BSC school ever got at large bid in football

IIRC, Chuck South did a couple years ago. They went with Coastal one year.

[flameshaw]

After reviewing CSU scores, we should win, and game not be close.

The same could have been said for St. Francis, Monmouth and KSU.

St Francis, yes, but let's give KSU and Monmouth some credit. They are both 9-1, and there is a good chance both will be in the playoffs. I think KSU has the better at-large resume, so KK and co. Should be silently pulling for the Hawks.

Not trying to deflect any credit away from either. However, we should have easily beat them both and failed.
I haven't looked at their schedules, but I don't recall either team playing any tough games. Regardless, neither one of them are making the move to FBS either. Both games should have been in our W column.

[R i]

Feels like this potentially could be Gill's last game on the sidelines.

[olldflame]

[/quote]
Not trying to deflect any credit away from either. However, we should have easily beat them both and failed.
I haven't looked at their schedules, but I don't recall either team playing any tough games. Regardless, neither one of them are making the move to FBS either. Both games should have been in our W column.[/quote]

KSU beat Montana State on the road. They are pretty legit. I have to say you sound a bit like ballcoach with the presumption that we should easily beat teams like this. We do not have an FBS roster yet, nor are we really close. Too many promoted walk-ons on scholarship and not enough studs.

[Class of 20Something]

Not trying to deflect any credit away from either. However, we should have easily beat them both and failed.
I haven't looked at their schedules, but I don't recall either team playing any tough games. Regardless, neither one of them are making the move to FBS either. Both games should have been in our W column.

KSU beat Montana State on the road. They are pretty legit. I have to say you sound a bit like ballcoach with the presumption that we should easily beat teams like this. We do not have an FBS roster yet, nor are we really close. Too many promoted walk-ons on scholarship and not enough studs.

At the risk if defending ballcoach, we should easily handle teams like this. Liberty pours money and resources into football. I don't care how "legit" KSU is. They're a three year old program that beat us on our home turf. Liberty has had top resources in FCS for years and has put a stunning and atrocious product on the field. There is no reason with our recruiting footprint, facilities, and coaches salary for Liberty to EVER lose a BSC game, let alone one at home or in a stadium that seats 4000.

Yes, the metric for success is about to change, but I refuse to believe that HCTG will rise to the occasion.

If we are fine with a 2 win floor and a 5 win ceiling, keep the man on. But I would rather 1 win with a decent coach implementing his system followed by improvement.

7-4 is not an improvement over 6-5 when we had one less FBS game than the previous 3 seasons.

[lawrenceq]

Is there anyone else concerned that Buckshot may Transfer ?

Maybe I am SdotCurry stunned still.

I've been thinking about that.

[Purple Haize]

Not trying to deflect any credit away from either. However, we should have easily beat them both and failed.
I haven't looked at their schedules, but I don't recall either team playing any tough games. Regardless, neither one of them are making the move to FBS either. Both games should have been in our W column.[/quote]

KSU beat Montana State on the road. They are pretty legit. I have to say you sound a bit like ballcoach with the presumption that we should easily beat teams like this. We do not have an FBS roster yet, nor are we really close. Too many promoted walk-ons on scholarship and not enough studs.[/quote]

Well they’ve never been seen in the same room together.....

[olldflame]

I have to surmise flameshaw, that the "we" you refer to that should easily beat BSC opponents is the hypothetical Liberty team you believe we should be putting on the field at this point in time. I don't necessarily disagree. The problem is, in real life, that team does not exist, and yes, Gill and his staff are responsible for that situation.

[FlamesHighontheTide]

Coaches and players wins games, not facilities and money. We do have great facilities and lots of money. I think this idea that we should never lose to BSC opponents like a KSU or a Monmouth solely because of our facilities and money is flawed. We lost because of poor Defensive game planning and execution. Our tackling this year has been a problem throughout aside from Juwan Wells, Solomon McGinty and Jeremy Peters. 3 out of 11 is no bueno. And even McGinty is average at best at linebacker. He is not fast enough to cover side-line to side-line. The effort and passion to play has NEVER been in question and to that I say thank you!

I hope that if Gill stays, we on this board will continue to support this team, pray for this team and be thankful that we have a Godly man leading this team into a new chapter of Liberty Football. Further, lets look forward to a new season next year where no matter how we think the season might go, chances are we could be dead wrong about it. Whose to say that LU doesn't come out and win 8 games or they come out and win only 2. We are FBS now, enjoy it!

[olldflame]

Not trying to deflect any credit away from either. However, we should have easily beat them both and failed.
I haven't looked at their schedules, but I don't recall either team playing any tough games. Regardless, neither one of them are making the move to FBS either. Both games should have been in our W column.

KSU beat Montana State on the road. They are pretty legit. I have to say you sound a bit like ballcoach with the presumption that we should easily beat teams like this. We do not have an FBS roster yet, nor are we really close. Too many promoted walk-ons on scholarship and not enough studs.[/quote]

Well they’ve never been seen in the same room together.....[/quote]

Actually, a few of our former walk-ons are probably deserving of that designation (speaking in football terms only). Mosley and Brown in particular are legit.

[flameshaw]

Not trying to deflect any credit away from either. However, we should have easily beat them both and failed.
I haven't looked at their schedules, but I don't recall either team playing any tough games. Regardless, neither one of them are making the move to FBS either. Both games should have been in our W column.

KSU beat Montana State on the road. They are pretty legit. I have to say you sound a bit like ballcoach with the presumption that we should easily beat teams like this. We do not have an FBS roster yet, nor are we really close. Too many promoted walk-ons on scholarship and not enough studs.

At the risk if defending ballcoach, we should easily handle teams like this. Liberty pours money and resources into football. I don't care how "legit" KSU is. They're a three year old program that beat us on our home turf. Liberty has had top resources in FCS for years and has put a stunning and atrocious product on the field. There is no reason with our recruiting footprint, facilities, and coaches salary for Liberty to EVER lose a BSC game, let alone one at home or in a stadium that seats 4000.

Yes, the metric for success is about to change, but I refuse to believe that HCTG will rise to the occasion.

If we are fine with a 2 win floor and a 5 win ceiling, keep the man on. But I would rather 1 win with a decent coach implementing his system followed by improvement.

7-4 is not an improvement over 6-5 when we had one less FBS game than the previous 3 seasons.

+1

[flameshaw]

I have to surmise flameshaw, that the "we" you refer to that should easily beat BSC opponents is the hypothetical Liberty team you believe we should be putting on the field at this point in time. I don't necessarily disagree. The problem is, in real life, that team does not exist, and yes, Gill and his staff are responsible for that situation.

Agree. Forget that we are going to FBS, that has only been announced about a year ago. In fairness, we cannot expect to be FBS ready, just pointing in that direction. But, we should NOW be able to field a solid top 15-20 FCS team after 6 years, and we have failed miserably in that regard. That is certainly not an expectation that is too lofty or unachievable.
And yes, we should never lose a BSC football game. Of course that is moot right now.

[A Sea of Red]

Final Thoughts & Prediction

http://www.aseaofred.com/final-thoughts ... outhern-2/

[olldflame]

I have to surmise flameshaw, that the "we" you refer to that should easily beat BSC opponents is the hypothetical Liberty team you believe we should be putting on the field at this point in time. I don't necessarily disagree. The problem is, in real life, that team does not exist, and yes, Gill and his staff are responsible for that situation.

Agree. Forget that we are going to FBS, that has only been announced about a year ago. In fairness, we cannot expect to be FBS ready, just pointing in that direction. But, we should NOW be able to field a solid top 15-20 FCS team after 6 years, and we have failed miserably in that regard. That is certainly not an expectation that is too lofty or unachievable.
And yes, we should never lose a BSC football game. Of course that is moot right now.

I agree on all points except the moot one

Kennesaw is a program on the rise which actually enjoys a number of advantages over us. I think they would have been a worthy rival in the BSC had we not made the FBS move.

[olldflame]

I have to surmise flameshaw, that the "we" you refer to that should easily beat BSC opponents is the hypothetical Liberty team you believe we should be putting on the field at this point in time. I don't necessarily disagree. The problem is, in real life, that team does not exist, and yes, Gill and his staff are responsible for that situation.

Agree. Forget that we are going to FBS, that has only been announced about a year ago. In fairness, we cannot expect to be FBS ready, just pointing in that direction. But, we should NOW be able to field a solid top 15-20 FCS team after 6 years, and we have failed miserably in that regard. That is certainly not an expectation that is too lofty or unachievable.
And yes, we should never lose a BSC football game. Of course that is moot right now.

I agree on all points except the moot one

Kennesaw is a program on the rise which actually enjoys a number of advantages over us. I think they would have been a worthy rival in the BSC had we not made the FBS move.

[flameshaw]

Is the game on tv anywhere?

[Cider Jim]

The game will be streamed on the Big South Network: http://bigsouthsports.com/watch/?Live=1723

I say come to the basketball game and bring your laptop or radio.

[BJWilliams]

I'll probably tune in before I head to work (nice to be able to say that again)

[Purple Haize]

I'll probably tune in before I head to work (nice to be able to say that again)

I’m sure it is

[Purple Haize]

The 12:00 game will also be televised locally on WFFP, which is channel 24 on DishNetwork.

All the Cool Kids Have DirecTv

[Cider Jim]

The 12:00 game will also be televised locally on WFFP, which is channel 24 on DishNetwork.

[TH Spangler]

We can't wrap up and tackle. If our opponents would just run the ball all day they win?

[Ewglenn]

This is pitiful. Run, run and throw it deep.