- November 12th, 2016, 8:43 pm
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thepostman wrote:It won't fix everything but keeping him around also won't help anythingI disagree It doesn't appear he's lost the locker room. He's able to bring in good talent. Although the O Line is suspect. He doesn't embarrass the University. Obviously there appears to be issues but I'm not close enough to know what they are. Being 'disorganized' is very subjective.
thepostman wrote: Of course that's been a problem since before Turner Gill got here so maybe the problem is deeper than just the coaching staff.That's sorta my point.
Jonathan Carone wrote:When you pay the man more than many G5 coaches make, one playoff birth in five years is grossly underperforming.When you think financial advantage equal success you don't understand how it all works
Jonathan Carone wrote:Financial commitment doesn't equal success but at some point you have to look at return on investment. If you aren't getting the return, and we aren't, you have to reevaluate the financials.Yes Jon...you nailed it! I was hoping we had something in reserve for play calling.....we didn't. We should have been prepping for this game all year...I think they probably were. That makes it worse. After a 2 hour drive home from the game...I am posting this with absolute calm but with reason and resolve. Gill will not take our program past #2 (or lower) in the BSC. CSU has his number and so do other teams' coaching staffs. We do not know how to put together a successful game plan for big games. Gosh knows....I tried to give the coaching staff the benefit this year. I was loyal with the wallet and attendance.....but if he stays; I save money next year. Family enjoyment notwithstanding...we can go to the park instead. My kids do not like to see LU lose like this either.
With great salary comes great expectations. Those expectations have not been met. Turner Gill is a fantastic human being and a phenomenal Christian. He just isn't a great football coach.
Jonathan Carone wrote:Financial commitment doesn't equal success but at some point you have to look at return on investment. If you aren't getting the return, and we aren't, you have to reevaluate the financials.Can't blame Gill for the money he is making LU wants to build the FB program with splash and sizzle. Who is LU going to bring in that is a splashier hire?
With great salary comes great expectations. Those expectations have not been met. Turner Gill is a fantastic human being and a phenomenal Christian. He just isn't a great football coach.
Purple Haize wrote:He is a great face for the program. Maybe he could be a mentor for the student athletes. And no, you can't blame him for the $ he makes.....but to whom much is given, much is expected. At the end of the day, it's business. And you can't tell me he is the only HC out there who has values and the football coaching ability we are looking for.....especially with the price tag we have put on the position.Jonathan Carone wrote:Financial commitment doesn't equal success but at some point you have to look at return on investment. If you aren't getting the return, and we aren't, you have to reevaluate the financials.Can't blame Gill for the money he is making LU wants to build the FB program with splash and sizzle. Who is LU going to bring in that is a splashier hire?
With great salary comes great expectations. Those expectations have not been met. Turner Gill is a fantastic human being and a phenomenal Christian. He just isn't a great football coach.
I don't like the way LU goes about it but I see LU getting its money's worth. Gill is a great face for the Program. Until they have some one in the bag who would be better they'd be foolish to let him go. Unless they are going to fundamentally change their approach which won't happen
rtb72 wrote:But do they have 'The Name'? LU could try to rehabilitate Art Briles.Purple Haize wrote:He is a great face for the program. Maybe he could be a mentor for the student athletes. And no, you can't blame him for the $ he makes.....but to whom much is given, much is expected. At the end of the day, it's business. And you can't tell me he is the only HC out there who has values and the football coaching ability we are looking for.....especially with the price tag we have put on the position.Jonathan Carone wrote:Financial commitment doesn't equal success but at some point you have to look at return on investment. If you aren't getting the return, and we aren't, you have to reevaluate the financials.Can't blame Gill for the money he is making LU wants to build the FB program with splash and sizzle. Who is LU going to bring in that is a splashier hire?
With great salary comes great expectations. Those expectations have not been met. Turner Gill is a fantastic human being and a phenomenal Christian. He just isn't a great football coach.
I don't like the way LU goes about it but I see LU getting its money's worth. Gill is a great face for the Program. Until they have some one in the bag who would be better they'd be foolish to let him go. Unless they are going to fundamentally change their approach which won't happen
BJWilliams wrote:I would not be averse to going the D2 or D3 route. There are some very successful coaches at both those levels who I think could make the transition to D1...As did Chadwell (North Greenville)
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