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The Good and Bad: Monmouth
Posted: October 22nd, 2016, 7:30 pm
by BJWilliams
I believe Jon is on baby watch this weekend so I will kick this off as well:
The rules (as usual) are simple:
Post three good things from this game
Post three bad things from this game
Ready?
Go.
(PS -It may be hard to find or limit yourself to three good things and three bad things. That's the game though. You have to find three of both to play.)
Re: The Good and Bad: Monmouth
Posted: October 22nd, 2016, 8:34 pm
by Chippy
Good
1. Run game
2. Passing game
3. The band
Bad
1. Still give up big plays
2. Students began leaving after 1st period; 150 students hung around till the end.
3. Concession prices
Re: The Good and Bad: Monmouth
Posted: October 22nd, 2016, 8:35 pm
by Chippy
Chippy wrote:Good
1. Run game
2. Passing game
3. The band
Bad
1. Still give up big plays
2. Students began leaving after 1st period; 150 students hung around till the end.
3. Concession prices
I think those students should get full scholarships for their loyalty

Re: The Good and Bad: Monmouth
Posted: October 22nd, 2016, 8:53 pm
by Sly Fox
Good:
- 1. Macon/Hickson/Mosley Combo
2. Buckshot-to-Shells
3. Holloway/Turner Combo
Bad:
- 1. Playing with a lead
2. 4th Quarter Tackling
3. Safeties
Re: The Good and Bad: Monmouth
Posted: October 22nd, 2016, 9:28 pm
by rtb72
The Good:
-Run Game
-Buckshot and his football IQ
-Believe or not.......the O-line. They gave Buckshot time (except once he got sacked); and they opened up some holes with their blocking. One touchdown in the red-zone was their ability to overpower MU's D-line.....it was a true TEAM TOUCHDOWN!
The Bad:
-Penalties in general (one cost a TD, and holding penalties in particular. Gotta hide those hands boys!
-Entire 3rd Qtr. and part of 4th (D was asleep)
-Special teams was inconsistent. We recover a fumble on one kickoff and commit one on a punt. We did hold them from big returns, but it has been better in previous games. Nothing to worry about though.
*One other observation: The attendance was sad. It was just over 16K. The student section was so-so....but I really thought there would have been a higher turn-out.
Re: The Good and Bad: Monmouth
Posted: October 22nd, 2016, 9:48 pm
by ballcoach15
Good:
Passing game
Running game
52 points
Bad:
Defense
Defense
Attendance
Re: The Good and Bad: Monmouth
Posted: October 22nd, 2016, 10:25 pm
by jimflamesfan
Good:
Calvert
1st half defense
Offense comming thru to put it away when the defense struggled.
Bad
Streamers...so annoying in the wind
people leaving at half
3rd quarter defense
Re: The Good and Bad: Monmouth
Posted: October 22nd, 2016, 10:38 pm
by BJWilliams
The Good
1. Buckshot Calvert
This kid , if he can put together 4 healthy years, could leave his own mark all over the record books. His IQ as noted by RTB, is outstanding. He had a couple plays where he got out of pressure, kept his eyes upfield and was able to make a play. He is doing much MUCH better on his short and intermediate reads and not just launching Howitzer shots down the field.
2. All three running backs
We have a legitimate three headed monster back there with Calvert. Over 300 yards for the second time this year and some explosive plays not only in the run but the screen passing game as well. Have to look forward to seeing Lewis join this group in spring ball next year.
3. Chris Turner
He had the play of the game today on the first big play from Monmouth when he popped the ball out of the arm of Darren Ambush. If he scores, that is a major momentum shift early in the game. Instead, Holloway recovers, Liberty scores and Liberty isn't threatened until the 3rd quarter (more on that below)
The Bad
1. Penalties
We only had 5 on the day, but all of then were completely unnecessary. We aren't always going to be bailed out after a call (much like the 76 yard TD for Macon after the holding penalty on Passmore)
2. Taking the foot off the gas
When we were up 38-7 heading into the third, that should have been the signal to up the tempo and really get the numbers on the scoreboard spinning. Instead, we miss an assignment and Calvert throws an interception. Next possession, again a missed assignment and Calvert has to throw one up from his back foot and again its intercepted. Two plays later, another TD and the Hawks have the momentum. After a three and out and a punt to end the third, Monmouth scores again and the grumbles and groans get louder. Im glad we regained our senses and got another TD and basically sealed the deal, but we cannot have a bad quarter if we intend to win these next three games, and ESPECIALLY when we play CSU.
3. Big Plays On Defense
We allowed 6 plays of 20 yards or more and I believe half of them were 30 yards or more including the earlier mentioned big play where Turner got the strip and later a 53 yard TD run by Chaney. We have to learn to finish plays before a play gets to the third level on the run and the defensive backs need to do a lot more work so they can keep from getting beat deep in the pass. If we do not get this fixed we will NOT win all three of our remaining games in conference.
Re: The Good and Bad: Monmouth
Posted: October 23rd, 2016, 9:35 am
by rtb72
Thanks for mentioning the play of our #39 Chris Turner....that kid was everywhere yesterday. The one play he WALKED DOWN the MU receiver and tackled him in the red zone PLUS stripped the ball. Play of the week if you ask me!
Re: The Good and Bad: Monmouth
Posted: October 23rd, 2016, 9:56 am
by olldflame
rtb72 wrote:Thanks for mentioning the play of our #39 Chris Turner....that kid was everywhere yesterday. The one play he WALKED DOWN the MU receiver and tackled him in the red zone PLUS stripped the ball. Play of the week if you ask me!
Chris is an amazing talent If he can stay healthy, put on a few more pounds of muscle and continue to develop his technique, I can definatly see him playing on Sundays Players with legit corner speed and skills who are 6'3" are rare to say the least
Re: The Good and Bad: Monmouth
Posted: October 23rd, 2016, 12:16 pm
by Jonathan Carone
The Good
Final Result
We finally won a Big South game the way we're supposed to win Big South games. It's the first time we've won a Big South game by more than two scores since November 1, 2014. Yesterday is what should be expected against most Big South teams.
Offensive Line
We finally had the same line two weeks in a row and they played very well.
Progress on offense
This stretch of games was always going to be about how we looked, not the result. The offense seems to be clicking better. With the stability of the quarterback and finally using more of the playbook, we're getting an idea of the potential that unit has.
The Bad
Giving up 20+ straight points
I'm less concerned about the fact that Monmouth scored a lot in a row and more concerned about how we lost focused and weren't motivated to finish the game out. The good portion of this is that we recovered from it and shut the door but against a good team, we can't have that mindset.
Attendance
It was our best attended game of the season, but it was by far our lowest homecoming attendance since the stadium expanded. The 16,687 was 1900 less than the previously low (18,587 in 2010). Gill's average homecoming attendance before this year was 19,595 so this year is 2900 lower than his average.
Monmouth
The result of this game was nice, but Monmouth is not a good football team. They're 198th in the Sagarin. By comparison, Kennesaw is 187, CSU is 115, Coastal is 129, and Jacksonville State is 92. We are currently 136.
Re: The Good and Bad: Monmouth
Posted: October 23rd, 2016, 12:52 pm
by Purple Haize
Jonathan Carone wrote:The Good
Final Result
We finally won a Big South game the way we're supposed to win Big South games. It's the first time we've won a Big South game by more than two scores since November 1, 2014. Yesterday is what should be expected against most Big South teams.
So what is that? 6 games? At least 2 against Coastal and an improved CSU team.
Re: The Good and Bad: Monmouth
Posted: October 23rd, 2016, 1:20 pm
by Jonathan Carone
Purple Haize wrote:Jonathan Carone wrote:The Good
Final Result
We finally won a Big South game the way we're supposed to win Big South games. It's the first time we've won a Big South game by more than two scores since November 1, 2014. Yesterday is what should be expected against most Big South teams.
So what is that? 6 games? At least 2 against Coastal and an improved CSU team.
There were actually ten games between the PC game in 2014 and yesterday. In that span, we went 6-4. We were 16-4 in the 20 games before those ten games. So while it wasn't a ton of games between big wins, it was twice as many losses as we're used to and expect from our program.
Re: The Good and Bad: Monmouth
Posted: October 23rd, 2016, 1:23 pm
by Purple Haize
Jonathan Carone wrote:Purple Haize wrote:Jonathan Carone wrote:The Good
Final Result
We finally won a Big South game the way we're supposed to win Big South games. It's the first time we've won a Big South game by more than two scores since November 1, 2014. Yesterday is what should be expected against most Big South teams.
So what is that? 6 games? At least 2 against Coastal and an improved CSU team.
There were actually ten games between the PC game in 2014 and yesterday. In that span, we went 6-4. We were 16-4 in the 20 games before those ten games. So while it wasn't a ton of games between big wins, it was twice as many losses as we're used to and expect from our program.
LU played 10 Big South from Nov 1 2014 until yesterday? Huh
Re: The Good and Bad: Monmouth
Posted: October 23rd, 2016, 1:28 pm
by Jonathan Carone
11/1/14 - PC
11/8/14 - Monmouth
11/15/14 - CSU
11/22/14 - Coastal
10/10/15 - GWU
10/17/15 - Monmouth
10/24/15 - KSU
11/7/15 - PC
11/14/15 - CSU
11/19/15 - CCU
10/15/16 - KSU
10/22/16 - Monmouth
12 games total. Ten games between the start and stop.
Re: The Good and Bad: Monmouth
Posted: October 23rd, 2016, 2:06 pm
by Cider Jim
The Good
1. Buckshot's pinpoint passing, & screen passes that actually worked for major yardage.
2. Running game with 3 backs.
3. Getting a free LU miniature helmet (Purple, you can't get that sitting on your Concord couch).
The Bad
1. Standing in line for 15 minutes at Dunkin Donuts.
2. Getting to the front of the line and being told this wasn't a line.
3. Leaving Dunkin Donuts without a donut because the other two lines were too long.
Re: The Good and Bad: Monmouth
Posted: October 23rd, 2016, 2:11 pm
by Purple Haize
Cider Jim wrote:The Good
1. Buckshot's pinpoint passing, & screen passes that actually worked for major yardage.
2. Running game with 3 backs.
3. Getting a free LU miniature helmet (Purple, you can't get that sitting on your Concord couch).
The Bad
1. Standing in line for 15 minutes at Dunkin Donuts.
2. Getting to the front of the line and being told this wasn't a line.
3. Leaving Dunkin Donuts without a donut because the other two lines were too long.
And apparently the nacho cheese was cold. It amazes me year after year this is an issue
Re: The Good and Bad: Monmouth
Posted: October 23rd, 2016, 2:47 pm
by thepostman
It wasn't cold. It just wasn't hot enough to stay warm for my walk back to my seat. It's needs to be piping hot.
The only reason I even went with nachos was because I didn't want to stand in that long dunkin donuts line.
Re: The Good and Bad: Monmouth
Posted: October 24th, 2016, 9:21 am
by LUnpretty11
The Good
1. LUADJeff calling out alumni on twitter. This couple tweeted a picture of themselves watching the game from the living room with a caption to the effect of "LUHC16 watching Liberty football from home 15 minutes away because it's too cold outside and we're lazy..."
2. The offense
3. Chris Turner
The Bad
1. Giving up a huge lead in the 3rd quarter and letting them back in the game.
2. Holloway getting burnt for what should have been a 99 yd TD pass for Monmouth
3. Mike Tilley pronouncing Monmouth "Mont-mouth" for the first hour of the broadcast. It's time he moved on.
Re: The Good and Bad: Monmouth
Posted: October 24th, 2016, 10:56 am
by Jonathan Carone
I still can't believe Jeff tweeted that. I know he has a relationship with the guy who tweeted it but that's a really bad look from the outside.
Re: The Good and Bad: Monmouth
Posted: October 24th, 2016, 11:26 am
by BJWilliams
Its only a bad look if you want it to be...If you "hate" somebody, or rather, strongly dislike (hate is too vengefully strong of a word), Just about everything they do is going to have a really bad look...does it make them right? No...but it doesn't make you look any better.
Re: The Good and Bad: Monmouth
Posted: October 24th, 2016, 11:42 am
by Jonathan Carone
You realize I'm one of the biggest Jeff Barber fans on this board, right?
Re: The Good and Bad: Monmouth
Posted: October 24th, 2016, 11:51 am
by olldflame
Jonathan Carone wrote:I still can't believe Jeff tweeted that. I know he has a relationship with the guy who tweeted it but that's a really bad look from the outside.
So, did Jeff post something snarky and then take it down

All I see now is some redfaced, angry emojis You can't seriously be upset about that
Re: The Good and Bad: Monmouth
Posted: October 24th, 2016, 11:56 am
by LUnpretty11
olldflame wrote:Jonathan Carone wrote:I still can't believe Jeff tweeted that. I know he has a relationship with the guy who tweeted it but that's a really bad look from the outside.
So, did Jeff post something snarky and then take it down
All I see now is some redfaced, angry emojis You can't seriously be upset about that
I thought it was awesome. What's not to like about it? The man is calling out a ridiculous "fan" and he had every right to make the jab. I loved it, but that's because my mindset is based on the fact that you don't miss a football game because 55 degrees is "too cold". That's absurd.
Re: The Good and Bad: Monmouth
Posted: October 24th, 2016, 11:59 am
by Jonathan Carone
I'm not upset at all. I get the joke because I know there's a relationship. I said I can't believe Jeff (a guy who is keenly aware of appearance and perception) tweeted that. From a purely PR perspective, it's not a great look for the AD to post an angry faced response to a fan who decided to watch the game instead of go to it.
If Dave Hart responded to a Tennessee fan with that exact same message, it'd be talked about on the radio and in the newspaper this morning.