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Re: Cam Jackson/Kyle Carrington sexual assault allegations
Posted: September 14th, 2016, 6:43 pm
by Purple Haize
jbock13 wrote:thepostman wrote: You are right when you say it doesn't happen anymore than in the past. In fact some stats show a decline which is great. .
So if that is true, how do we have a rape culture?
How do we get a lot of things that are purported facts but really aren't? Not saying this is or isn't but just labeling something doesn't make it so. I do know my Cousins Frat house is a lot more strict than it used to be when he was in school (I have a nephew there now). So I wouldn't be surprised but I don't know enough to make a declarative statement either way
Re: Cam Jackson/Kyle Carrington sexual assault allegations
Posted: September 14th, 2016, 7:34 pm
by jbock13
Exactly Purple. SJW's challenge us constantly to prove things don't exist. Which is, of course, impossible.
Re: Cam Jackson/Kyle Carrington sexual assault allegations
Posted: September 14th, 2016, 7:59 pm
by thepostman
I don't get what you are saying. There are unwritten rules in many segments of our society that have downplayed rape for years. That is fact. I've seen it with my own eyes. There is a reason why I have to go to several sexual assault training sessions a year as a member of the military because for too long it has been downplayed and when you do that you begin to develop a culture in which rape is ok which is what people mean by "rape culture"
If you don't think that exists you have either been very sheltered all your life, didn't recognize it or you're simply trying to be argumentative for the sake of it.
I'm actually not 100% sure what you're trying to do because you aren't actually using words. So there is also a chance you and I agree but because you aren't using your words I have no idea what you're actually trying to say.
Re: Cam Jackson/Kyle Carrington sexual assault allegations
Posted: September 14th, 2016, 10:49 pm
by jbock13
I think you are saying that I'm saying rape doesn't exist. That's not what I said.
Anyways I'll shut up for now.
Re: Cam Jackson/Kyle Carrington sexual assault allegations
Posted: September 15th, 2016, 7:44 am
by thepostman
No that isn't what I'm saying at all. Come on man
Re: Cam Jackson/Kyle Carrington sexual assault allegations
Posted: September 15th, 2016, 8:55 am
by R i
Mr Bock is tuning up his obviously rusty message board argument skills, its almost election season.
Re: Cam Jackson/Kyle Carrington sexual assault allegations
Posted: September 15th, 2016, 9:53 am
by jbock13
R i wrote:Mr Bock is tuning up his obviously rusty message board argument skills, its almost election season.
You missed me, didn't you
Re: Cam Jackson/Kyle Carrington sexual assault allegations
Posted: September 15th, 2016, 10:45 am
by thepostman
I forgot he is a troll at heart. Haha
Re: Cam Jackson/Kyle Carrington sexual assault allegations
Posted: September 15th, 2016, 11:06 am
by Chris Lang
Jackson's lawyer is a friend of mine. That's all I have to add here.
Re: Cam Jackson/Kyle Carrington sexual assault allegations
Posted: September 15th, 2016, 11:10 am
by Jonathan Carone
Chris Lang wrote:Jackson's lawyer is a friend of mine. That's all I have to add here.
If I'm not mistaken, he's also the guy who fought Liberty when they came after FlameFans in the beginning.
Re: Cam Jackson/Kyle Carrington sexual assault allegations
Posted: September 15th, 2016, 2:07 pm
by R i
Chris Lang wrote:Jackson's lawyer is a friend of mine. That's all I have to add here.
So he ranks craft beers, and watches too much hockey. I like LU's chances.
Re: Cam Jackson/Kyle Carrington sexual assault allegations
Posted: September 22nd, 2016, 2:30 pm
by Jonathan Carone
I wanted to give an update on this. There's not a ton of new information that can be said publicly but there's a little bit that we can clarify.
The announcement was put out by the University, not Athletics. The motivation behind releasing the names early and not holding off until a police investigation was due to a growing on-campus culture where "football players never get in trouble." It was released to send a message and quiet the complainers. There are people within Athletics that are actively helping the players to clear their name.
The school investigation is currently under appeal. It's likely not going to get overturned because the University is threatening any athlete with suspensions if they admit they were at the party in question. Regular students are being threatened with reps and fines if they say anything.
While athletes and students won't go forward with the school's investigation, there are many willing to vouch for the players if this goes to police or in the likely civil suits from both Jackson and Carrington.
I'm not comfortable publicly saying too much more about what's going on because it centers around the alleged victim, her character, and other actions she's done in the past. That said, from everything I've been told, it looks like the guys did nothing wrong legally. It's super unfortunate they're in this situation, but hopefully their names will be cleared soon.
Re: Cam Jackson/Kyle Carrington sexual assault allegations
Posted: September 22nd, 2016, 4:24 pm
by Purple Haize
Horrible reason to go forward with names. And likely a costly one
Re: Cam Jackson/Kyle Carrington sexual assault allegations
Posted: September 22nd, 2016, 4:36 pm
by Jonathan Carone
After hearing their investigation process, I fully agree. I gave the school the benefit of the doubt at the beginning. Should've known better.
Re: Cam Jackson/Kyle Carrington sexual assault allegations
Posted: September 23rd, 2016, 9:23 am
by forbidden
name besmirched = costly
irreprepable harm done = costly
ty LU
Re: Cam Jackson/Kyle Carrington sexual assault allegations
Posted: October 5th, 2016, 12:38 pm
by Jonathan Carone
The following is a statement from the family of Cameron Jackson regarding a criminal investigation conducted by the Lynchburg Police Department and Office of the Commonwealth's Attorney:
"Cameron Jackson was notified yesterday that the Lynchburg Commonwealth's Attorney will not seek any criminal charges following an exhaustive investigation into false allegations of sexual assault levied against Cam and his teammates.
Cam would like to thank the Lynchburg Police Department for the professionalism demonstrated by its investigators over the course of their two-month search for the truth. The justice system worked as it should: by prioritizing fact and accuracy over speed and publicity.
Under the current system of Title IX, it is far too easy to destroy a young man's life. Cameron Jackson is not the first. And, he knows, he won't be the last. That's why it's so important to exercise caution and restraint in dealing with these issues.
For Cam Jackson, the damage cannot be undone. He is comforted by the Commonwealth's decision, but his search for justice continues."
- Joshua Farmer
Jackson Family Attorney
Re: Cam Jackson/Kyle Carrington sexual assault allegations
Posted: October 5th, 2016, 12:40 pm
by Purple Haize
Good for him
Re: Cam Jackson/Kyle Carrington sexual assault allegations
Posted: October 5th, 2016, 12:54 pm
by Jonathan Carone
Edit: Nevermind. He won't be coming back to play for us.
Re: Cam Jackson/Kyle Carrington sexual assault allegations
Posted: October 5th, 2016, 1:01 pm
by Purple Haize
Jonathan Carone wrote:Edit: Nevermind. He won't be coming back to play for us.
I saw that the school is giving him 48 hrs to leave Campus.
Which just leads to more questions
Re: Cam Jackson/Kyle Carrington sexual assault allegations
Posted: October 5th, 2016, 1:02 pm
by Jonathan Carone
Liberty stated that they had found Jackson and another member of the football team responsible for violating the honor code and the policy on sexual assault. Both players had the opportunity to appeal the decision.
Liberty University rejected Jackson's appeal and has to be gone from campus within 48 hours.
http://wset.com/news/local/no-charges-t ... al-assault
Re: Cam Jackson/Kyle Carrington sexual assault allegations
Posted: October 5th, 2016, 1:03 pm
by thepostman
I feel like there is way more to this story than what we know.
Re: Cam Jackson/Kyle Carrington sexual assault allegations
Posted: October 5th, 2016, 1:06 pm
by Purple Haize
thepostman wrote:I feel like there is way more to this story than what we know.
Agreed.
Re: Cam Jackson/Kyle Carrington sexual assault allegations
Posted: October 5th, 2016, 1:13 pm
by Jonathan Carone
thepostman wrote:I feel like there is way more to this story than what we know.
The school is up against a reputation that football players never get in trouble for anything. Because of that, they're holding a hard line on this one when most athletes wouldn't get kicked out for having consensual sex.
Re: Cam Jackson/Kyle Carrington sexual assault allegations
Posted: October 5th, 2016, 1:29 pm
by Jonathan Carone
I'm not comfortable that a school investigation led by non-law enforcement officers can conduct a hostile investigation against a student and claim he absolutely committed sexual assault when the actual police say there's not even enough evidence for charges. Athlete or not, that's a major overreach.
Re: Cam Jackson/Kyle Carrington sexual assault allegations
Posted: October 5th, 2016, 1:51 pm
by Purple Haize
Jonathan Carone wrote:I not comfortable that a school investigation led by non-law enforcement officers can conduct a hostile investigation against a student and claim he absolutely committed sexual assault when the actual police say there's not even enough evidence for charges. Athlete or not, that's a major overreach.
Are they claiming sexual assault or 'Honor Code' violation? I agree on SA but Honor Code is up to the School. Now his lawyer can make hay if the female involved is an LU student and not receiving the same punishment. Or, and this is far more likely, similar situations were handled differently