Re: The Official LU to FBS Independent Megathread
Posted: November 26th, 2020, 4:54 pm
I wouldn’t worry about 2026 schedules unless you are just deciding which AAC town you want to visit in the fall.
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BuryYourDuke wrote: ↑November 26th, 2020, 4:54 pm I wouldn’t worry about 2026 schedules unless you are just deciding which AAC town you want to visit in the fall.Holy crap a BYD siting!!!
Purple Haize wrote: ↑November 26th, 2020, 11:06 amWho said anything about name it and claim it - are you really going to make me lay out the 5 year plan again?JK37 wrote: ↑November 26th, 2020, 9:23 am There’s more to becoming P5 equivalent than LU simply choosing to be so. And that more is not in LU’s hands. So to that extent, LU is not entirely in control of its own destiny.You can just Name It and Claim It!
I wouldn’t budge if not for an AAC or P5 invite. But I feel for all the other sports that are stuck.
I’m with you as well. Although I might look at a CUSA invite as well. Outside of that I don’t see an advantage of jumping into a Conference. Conversely I think LU would be a good fit in the AAC or CUSA
Purple Haize wrote: ↑November 26th, 2020, 8:32 pm2-5 year plan to a G5 conference? That is what is nonsense. Complete road to nowhere. And a 25 year set back minimum if fulfilling the “vision”.JK37 wrote: ↑November 26th, 2020, 7:54 pmPlease, God, no.I think LU is in year 2 of his 5 year plan. But goodness no, we certainly don’t want to hear that nonsense anymore
sstaedtler wrote: ↑November 26th, 2020, 10:28 pm The only goals should be AAC or P5 equivalent like BYU. If we can't join AAC, we need to step our schedule in 2025 and beyond. 3-4 P5's and BYU or Army. Sun Belt and Conference USA do little for us.Those P5’s have to be willing to play LU. LU can’t force anyone to play them. I know one University that’s P5 who would LOVE to play them but the $$ asking price is too high
sstaedtler wrote: ↑November 26th, 2020, 10:28 pm The only goals should be AAC or P5 equivalent like BYU. If we can't join AAC, we need to step our schedule in 2025 and beyond. 3-4 P5's and BYU or Army. Sun Belt and Conference USA do little for us.Bingo. If going the C-USA or Sun Belt route was so relevant as some folks still claim, then we would've still been FCS waiting for a hopefully acceptance in order to progress the "vision." It's crazy that some of you guys call the P5 equivalent direction bigus while pointing out getting into the C-USA as more apoealing. You mean the conference(s) that didn't want anything with us even when LU was going to pay more money than most of those schools probably gain for their annual athletic department funding? Yeah that's not ridiculous at all smh. Clearly McCaw is going more in the direction of building a brand, so going the Sun Belt/C-USA route would be going backwards. One thing I'll agree with is that we shouldn't pursue ourselves as a P5 equivalent. We are the lamb surrounded by the wolves. We will never be looked at as one of the other schools, and it's not mainly because of Jr(even though that will always be used as the excuse). We are a christian school that actually wants to pursue the Gospel and that is estranged in our culture. We've always been and will continue to be portrayed as cults, and that is included in the athletic world. So yes, we have to do what we can and take many opportunities as possible. Might sound crazy, but we definitely need to take as many great games as we can in order to grow our brand. Now that we did quite well so far this season, I don't think we should fret about the impossibles. We've had already completed so many impossible purposes that were claimed in these chats. Why stop here? Maybe there's a reason why we are the chatters rambling in forms and not the people making the decisions. Thank the Lord for that. In the end, I believe we can do anything, even playing as an elite squad if we can hopefully add more "P5" schools later on.
cruzan_flame13 wrote: ↑November 26th, 2020, 11:01 pmIf 3-4 P5 games got us. To P5 Eqivalent status for just one conference - I would be all for it. But it won’t. We need 6-8 P5 games for at least 5 years - hence the Tyndal23 plan. It has to be announced, budgeted and scheduled for - anything else is a failure - we can’t ease our way in to it.sstaedtler wrote: ↑November 26th, 2020, 10:28 pm The only goals should be AAC or P5 equivalent like BYU. If we can't join AAC, we need to step our schedule in 2025 and beyond. 3-4 P5's and BYU or Army. Sun Belt and Conference USA do little for us.Bingo. If going the C-USA or Sun Belt route was so relevant as some folks still claim, then we would've still been FCS waiting for a hopefully acceptance in order to progress the "vision." It's crazy that some of you guys call the P5 equivalent direction bigus while pointing out getting into the C-USA as more apoealing. You mean the conference(s) that didn't want anything with us even when LU was going to pay more money than most of those schools probably gain for their annual athletic department funding? Yeah that's not ridiculous at all smh. Clearly McCaw is going more in the direction of building a brand, so going the Sun Belt/C-USA route would be going backwards. One thing I'll agree with is that we shouldn't pursue ourselves as a P5 equivalent. We are the lamb surrounded by the wolves. We will never be looked at as one of the other schools, and it's not mainly because of Jr(even though that will always be used as the excuse). We are a christian school that actually wants to pursue the Gospel and that is estranged in our culture. We've always been and will continue to be portrayed as cults, and that is included in the athletic world. So yes, we have to do what we can and take many opportunities as possible. Might sound crazy, but we definitely need to take as many great games as we can in order to grow our brand. Now that we did quite well so far this season, I don't think we should fret about the impossibles. We've had already completed so many impossible purposes that were claimed in these chats. Why stop here? Maybe there's a reason why we are the chatters rambling in forms and not the people making the decisions. Thank the Lord for that. In the end, I believe we can do anything, even playing as an elite squad if we can hopefully add more "P5" schools later on.
P.S. Not to go biblical here, but some of y'all remind me of the Israelites. A bunch of doubters, then was rescued or given grace, enjoyed the ride/grace, then went back to doubting again
Ill flame wrote: ↑November 27th, 2020, 2:52 am In my mind Liberty has 3 scheduling options for football:I'm for #1. Having 3 P5's gives you more chances at program defining wins and it effects people's perceptions. As for the rest being cupcakes, some will be, but not if you can App. State, UCF or other AAC schools, Marshall, BYU Army, or solid teams from the MAC, Sun Belt, or Conf. USA. Regarding UMass, UConn, and NMS, I'd keep it to 2 per year, not all 3. We already have 2 P5's scheduled every year from 2025 on. Certainly I don't think it is asking a ton of add another one. I think playing 3 P5's is attractive to some recruits who want to prove themselves against top teams. Many G5 schools only play one Power 5 team.
1) Try to go the BYU route of scheduling 3-5 P5 teams plus a couple top G5 teams every year and fill the rest with mostly cupcakes.
2) Keep the status quo of 2-3 P5 teams plus mostly regional G5 teams and a few weak independents.
3) Attempt to schedule 6+ P5 teams plus the top G5 schools and BYU/Army.
Each option has pros and cons. If we stay on our current path we could establish ourselves as a G5 elite along with Boise St, UCF and appalachian state. This isn't inherently a bad thing. It would allow us to continue to build a fanbase, brand and a winning culture. The biggest problem with this plan is it gives us a very defined ceiling and requires us to wait for conference realignment to go above that ceiling.
Taking the middle ground of 3-5 P5 schools allows us to have a clear path to bowl eligibility while giving us more opportunities at program defining wins like we saw this year. BYU has had mixed success using this strategy. They get solid exposure but have never been able to get the P5 caliber recruits needed to consistently win. We would likely have a clear path to a NY6 bowl if we win out with this schedule but we wouldnt have margin for error.
The "P5 equivalent" path hasn't really been done so it's tough to say how well it would work assuming we could make it happen. If we win out we would have a path to the CFP or at least cause a debate. This option has the highest risk because it would be easy to fall into mediocrity and lose whatever momentum this program currently has.
Would fans rather we go 5-7 against mostly P5 schools or win 9+ games a year against a cupcake schedule? Winning is fun but knowing you have no path to a championship isn't. I prefer somewhere in the middle in the short to medium term. We all know what the long term goal is.
Logic wrote: ↑November 28th, 2020, 1:49 pm Laughable that people are still talking about the SBC and CUSA after the season we’ve had. Folks, we’ve left them far, far behind. AAC or independent - hard no on the Sun Belt or CUSA!How many teams with a winning record did LU beat this year? A .500 record? Due to “circumstances” LU has capitalized on a tremendous opportunity. I’m enjoying this season and LU will go Bowling again, which is the goal of being FBS. But let’s not get carried away here. I’m not sure the SBC is a good place for LU, totally agree. CUSA would absolutely be worth taking a look at if invited though. Lots of regional tie ins and a nice fit for all sports. Maybe not ideal for Football, but better than SBC. AAC is a no brainer Yes. People saying we should go right into the Big 12 or SEC or ACC.....need therapy
Purple Haize wrote: ↑November 28th, 2020, 2:09 pmOrrrrr....these people are optimistic and are just suggesting the possibilities. Like those who discussed us going to FBS because we were stagnated in the Big South. That craziness wasn't crazy after all. Oh I know the response would be that it was luck that we are in this position right now. Now we may not have known that we would be in this position, but it was obvious that we would improve from what we did last year. I hope you would stop telling people need therapy for making a suggestion (even though it may not come into play) because you kind of don't have any reason to talk. But hey that's what threads are for right? Glad you're enjoying the ride like the rest of us, but I don't mind folks discussing the possibilities. Although I disagree with us getting involved with The Big XII or even the ACC, I do believe that we can expand our brand even more than what we're experienced now. Notre Dame began the same way with an amazing coach, so why can't we do something similar with the advantages that we have that they didn't nearly a century ago? Btw, they were looked at similarly to how people see Liberty now. When they beat the best team in the land (Army), people started talking. For us we beat two ACC teams and that is making people talk about us. Not so crazy after all. Enjoy the ride my friend ; AAC in 2024 .Logic wrote: ↑November 28th, 2020, 1:49 pm Laughable that people are still talking about the SBC and CUSA after the season we’ve had. Folks, we’ve left them far, far behind. AAC or independent - hard no on the Sun Belt or CUSA!How many teams with a winning record did LU beat this year? A .500 record? Due to “circumstances” LU has capitalized on a tremendous opportunity. I’m enjoying this season and LU will go Bowling again, which is the goal of being FBS. But let’s not get carried away here. I’m not sure the SBC is a good place for LU, totally agree. CUSA would absolutely be worth taking a look at if invited though. Lots of regional tie ins and a nice fit for all sports. Maybe not ideal for Football, but better than SBC. AAC is a no brainer Yes. People saying we should go right into the Big 12 or SEC or ACC.....need therapy
Liberty22 wrote: ↑November 28th, 2020, 2:40 pm Coming from the same person who was “potentate of the dark side” saying Liberty would never succeed in FBS without FCS success. That we needed a better FCS conference before we could even consider being worthy of Sun Belt etc etc. maybe you should just take the L and join the optimistic crowd for awhile, see how you like thingsBased on previous LU actions prior to the FBS move I still agree with my stance. No one knew LU was going to sink the amount of money into the program that they did. That’s traditionally not something they have done. I didn’t know they would threaten to sue to be FBS either. But they did and it proved me wrong. I’m ok with that.
cruzan_flame13 wrote: ↑November 28th, 2020, 2:59 pmOh LU can and absolutely should capitalize on its brand. Continue to build on this seasons notoriety No doubt. Beating Tech is an absolute hallmark win for the Program, no “ifs or buts” about it. I would add with UVA not playing much either it’s giving LU even more air time.Purple Haize wrote: ↑November 28th, 2020, 2:09 pmOrrrrr....these people are optimistic and are just suggesting the possibilities. Like those who discussed us going to FBS because we were stagnated in the Big South. That craziness wasn't crazy after all. Oh I know the response would be that it was luck that we are in this position right now. Now we may not have known that we would be in this position, but it was obvious that we would improve from what we did last year. I hope you would stop telling people need therapy for making a suggestion (even though it may not come into play) because you kind of don't have any reason to talk. But hey that's what threads are for right? Glad you're enjoying the ride like the rest of us, but I don't mind folks discussing the possibilities. Although I disagree with us getting involved with The Big XII or even the ACC, I do believe that we can expand our brand even more than what we're experienced now. Notre Dame began the same way with an amazing coach, so why can't we do something similar with the advantages that we have that they didn't nearly a century ago? Btw, they were looked at similarly to how people see Liberty now. When they beat the best team in the land (Army), people started talking. For us we beat two ACC teams and that is making people talk about us. Not so crazy after all. Enjoy the ride my friend ; AAC in 2024 .Logic wrote: ↑November 28th, 2020, 1:49 pm Laughable that people are still talking about the SBC and CUSA after the season we’ve had. Folks, we’ve left them far, far behind. AAC or independent - hard no on the Sun Belt or CUSA!How many teams with a winning record did LU beat this year? A .500 record? Due to “circumstances” LU has capitalized on a tremendous opportunity. I’m enjoying this season and LU will go Bowling again, which is the goal of being FBS. But let’s not get carried away here. I’m not sure the SBC is a good place for LU, totally agree. CUSA would absolutely be worth taking a look at if invited though. Lots of regional tie ins and a nice fit for all sports. Maybe not ideal for Football, but better than SBC. AAC is a no brainer Yes. People saying we should go right into the Big 12 or SEC or ACC.....need therapy