- August 25th, 2020, 1:34 pm
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In time, with the right president, it could happen. I am more hopeful now than I have been in a while.
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bluedevilflame wrote: ↑August 25th, 2020, 1:30 pmOh I'd love ECU, Temple and Navy too for a good Mid-Atlantic/Southern conference. But I was only naming teams I thought might take part in a new league. I can't see anyone leaving the AAC.MUsince96 wrote:I'd toss in ECU, Coastal and maybe a MTSU in the mix. That'd be a lot of fun!sstaedtler wrote: ↑August 1st, 2020, 9:09 pm Regarding football, I think I'd rather stay Independent also. We can play 3 Power 5's a year or more in the future. You join the Sun Belt or Conference USA, most of them only get to play 1. I would think that can help us in recruiting against G5's. Sure I'd like a conference title game and rivalries, but I don't think joining those two conferences really enhances Liberty football much. I'd join the AAC or better also. Clearly, in terms of the other sports, especially basketball, we need to get out of the A-Sun into a better conference.You could schedule 3 P5's a year playing in a conference. You're in charge of your OOC schedule. Not the league. Plus you'd be eligible for the NY6 Access Bowl.
With Jerry looking like he's on his way out I'd love for you all to be looked at as a more acceptable conference addition.
I think a league based around Marshall, Liberty, JMU, ODU, App State, and Charlotte could be really fun.
MUsince96 wrote: ↑August 25th, 2020, 1:15 pmSounds like an ACC-lite to me, which would be nice to be a part of. The C-USA really doesn't make sense geographically. The conference itself is a complete oddity and conglomeration of schools. I'm really expecting and hopeful for some post-COVID conference realignment.
I think a league based around Marshall, Liberty, JMU, ODU, App State, and Charlotte could be really fun.
ballcoach15 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2020, 8:25 am We should not lower our selves to JMU or ODU level. I don't understand how some are fascinated with being in any conference with these schools, along with Charlotte or even Appy State. We need to set our sights higher.You don't become CEO the first day on the job. We can set our sights higher and have a goal and vision...but we are still establishing ourselves. I think being in a conference with App would be a great start.
rtb72 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2020, 2:43 pm...said every G5 program still stuck in Purgatory...ballcoach15 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2020, 8:25 am We should not lower our selves to JMU or ODU level. I don't understand how some are fascinated with being in any conference with these schools, along with Charlotte or even Appy State. We need to set our sights higher.You don't become CEO the first day on the job. We can set our sights higher and have a goal and vision...but we are still establishing ourselves. I think being in a conference with App would be a great start.
tyndal23 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2020, 3:56 pm....said every "self-proclaimed P5 equivalent" football program with limited fan base and a 1-11 record...rtb72 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2020, 2:43 pm...said every G5 program still stuck in Purgatory...ballcoach15 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2020, 8:25 am We should not lower our selves to JMU or ODU level. I don't understand how some are fascinated with being in any conference with these schools, along with Charlotte or even Appy State. We need to set our sights higher.You don't become CEO the first day on the job. We can set our sights higher and have a goal and vision...but we are still establishing ourselves. I think being in a conference with App would be a great start.
rtb72 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2020, 4:20 pmWho this team(s) that you speak of? I can oy think of maybe 2-3 that could be looked at as such a program. That'll be BYU, BSU and Army. I don't see them being a usual 1-11 team. Also remember that BSU east like a community college. They weren't playing around when they became expose for playing big name schools and eventually start beating them. I'm not saying we should play all P5's but it would be smart to build up decent but innovated players in order to get good records and then continue improving in recruits. By then it's not such a dumb idea to play an extra game or two down the road. Not so crazy at all; wouldn't fully recommend joining a conference like CUSA or SB because that will likely be like purgatory. We'll see what happens in next realignment.tyndal23 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2020, 3:56 pm....said every "self-proclaimed P5 equivalent" football program with limited fan base and a 1-11 record...rtb72 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2020, 2:43 pm...said every G5 program still stuck in Purgatory...
You don't become CEO the first day on the job. We can set our sights higher and have a goal and vision...but we are still establishing ourselves. I think being in a conference with App would be a great start.
cruzan_flame13 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2020, 5:18 pmMy point exactly....down the road. Let's build our program and exposure. I'm all for playing high end P5 competition...within reason. I'm certainly not saying it's impossible to be P5, that's a great goal. But to suggest we can compete at the assumed level I think is being eluded to is not realistic. There's a lot of G5s we can't compete with. It's a process...like anything else. I believe we are on a good track and I think a conference would provide us with some guarantees that we may not have over the long run. Purgatory would also be ending up as everybody's homecoming.rtb72 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2020, 4:20 pmWho this team(s) that you speak of? I can oy think of maybe 2-3 that could be looked at as such a program. That'll be BYU, BSU and Army. I don't see them being a usual 1-11 team. Also remember that BSU east like a community college. They weren't playing around when they became expose for playing big name schools and eventually start beating them. I'm not saying we should play all P5's but it would be smart to build up decent but innovated players in order to get good records and then continue improving in recruits. By then it's not such a dumb idea to play an extra game or two down the road. Not so crazy at all; wouldn't fully recommend joining a conference like CUSA or SB because that will likely be like purgatory. We'll see what happens in next realignment.tyndal23 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2020, 3:56 pm....said every "self-proclaimed P5 equivalent" football program with limited fan base and a 1-11 record...
...said every G5 program still stuck in Purgatory...
cruzan_flame13 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2020, 9:48 pm Being involved in those conferences will cause very slow growth. We want to improve in recruiting every year. It's not likely that we can obtain plus play 3 P5's while in those conferences before conference play. We have a flexibility to change games when we can easily. A good example is this year; couldn't do that easily in a conference(especially two who are basically struggling to hang in there ). We're blessed financially to stay open and grow faster through negotiation(Not having Jr. will make it easier). Also, if we can get an invite in the A10 (if a school moves elsewhere or they transition into a mega conference), we can continue to develop our brand for the basketball team(s) . That conference is basically a major conference(#8 best conference) and we can benefit financially there (sorry Ball coach, but basketball is more important than softball to most viewers).Okay, I want to make sure I understand your angle. You are saying stay independent but assert P5 equivalency, or at least play more P5s as part of a independent schedule? At least until we get a major conference invite?
rtb72 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2020, 10:02 pmI'm not saying to assert ourselves as a P5(plus that's not even a real label of we're honest). I'm just saying it's better to stay independent in football and not enter. We can grow better getting our name out there playing flexible schedules and recruiting hard plus get a better chance exposing our basketball brand in the A-10.cruzan_flame13 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2020, 9:48 pm Being involved in those conferences will cause very slow growth. We want to improve in recruiting every year. It's not likely that we can obtain plus play 3 P5's while in those conferences before conference play. We have a flexibility to change games when we can easily. A good example is this year; couldn't do that easily in a conference(especially two who are basically struggling to hang in there ). We're blessed financially to stay open and grow faster through negotiation(Not having Jr. will make it easier). Also, if we can get an invite in the A10 (if a school moves elsewhere or they transition into a mega conference), we can continue to develop our brand for the basketball team(s) . That conference is basically a major conference(#8 best conference) and we can benefit financially there (sorry Ball coach, but basketball is more important than softball to most viewers).Okay, I want to make sure I understand your angle. You are saying stay independent but assert P5 equivalency, or at least play more P5s as part of a independent schedule? At least until we get a major conference invite?
ballah09 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2020, 8:55 pm https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/c ... 634103002/The article kept mentioning a "Baylor not oral Roberts" argument. What do they mean by that? I'm not familiar enough with these two schools to get the reference. Are they just saying liberty is closer to a P5 football school than a middling D1 school or does the comparison go deeper than sports?
ballcoach15 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2020, 10:09 pm I've said it before, and I'll say it again, "A10 isn't a good conference for LU". It is basically just a northern basketball conference . Our footprint is more aligned toward southern sector of the country.George Washington, George Mason, Richmond, VCU Davidson and Saint Louis would say you're incorrect.
cruzan_flame13 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2020, 10:18 pmI had heard the P5 equivalent before, so that's why i asked for clarity. We certainly agree on your first sentence. I don't think we are too far apart really. I do like a conference ( not all of them) but one where we have some guarantees. We have been very blessed with our scheduling indeed, so far. That could change in an instant as an independent. Since you brought up this year, what if we had not been chosen as the +1 for the ACC teams. We'd be hurting. At least a conference would give us guaranteed games, title shots, bowl tie-ins, and help us build our brand. I also think there is room for some good P5 games, and I know we could appeal to quality recruits. I would also support getting away from two FCS games, maybe completely away from this over the next couple years.rtb72 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2020, 10:02 pmI'm not saying to assert ourselves as a P5(plus that's not even a real label of we're honest). I'm just saying it's better to stay independent in football and not enter. We can grow better getting our name out there playing flexible schedules and recruiting hard plus get a better chance exposing our basketball brand in the A-10.cruzan_flame13 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2020, 9:48 pm Being involved in those conferences will cause very slow growth. We want to improve in recruiting every year. It's not likely that we can obtain plus play 3 P5's while in those conferences before conference play. We have a flexibility to change games when we can easily. A good example is this year; couldn't do that easily in a conference(especially two who are basically struggling to hang in there ). We're blessed financially to stay open and grow faster through negotiation(Not having Jr. will make it easier). Also, if we can get an invite in the A10 (if a school moves elsewhere or they transition into a mega conference), we can continue to develop our brand for the basketball team(s) . That conference is basically a major conference(#8 best conference) and we can benefit financially there (sorry Ball coach, but basketball is more important than softball to most viewers).Okay, I want to make sure I understand your angle. You are saying stay independent but assert P5 equivalency, or at least play more P5s as part of a independent schedule? At least until we get a major conference invite?
rtb72 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2020, 10:27 pmIf the ACC didn't add us as a +1 game, they were more games available that we could've considered. Apparently we wanted two confirm easy wins in the FCS which I hope will not continue next season and beyond.cruzan_flame13 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2020, 10:18 pmI had heard the P5 equivalent before, so that's why i asked for clarity. We certainly agree on your first sentence. I don't think we are too far apart really. I do like a conference ( not all of them) but one where we have some guarantees. We have been very blessed with our scheduling indeed, so far. That could change in an instant as an independent. Since you brought up this year, what if we had not been chosen as the +1 for the ACC teams. We'd be hurting. At least a conference would give us guaranteed games, title shots, bowl tie-ins, and help us build our brand. I also think there is room for some good P5 games, and I know we could appeal to quality recruits. I would also support getting away from two FCS games, maybe completely away from this over the next couple years.rtb72 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2020, 10:02 pmI'm not saying to assert ourselves as a P5(plus that's not even a real label of we're honest). I'm just saying it's better to stay independent in football and not enter. We can grow better getting our name out there playing flexible schedules and recruiting hard plus get a better chance exposing our basketball brand in the A-10.
Okay, I want to make sure I understand your angle. You are saying stay independent but assert P5 equivalency, or at least play more P5s as part of a independent schedule? At least until we get a major conference invite?
ballah09 wrote: ↑August 26th, 2020, 8:55 pm https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/c ... 634103002/Sure, all LU needs to do to be accepted is to go "mainstream", become another Baylor. No thanks.
ballah09 wrote: ↑August 27th, 2020, 10:19 am I’d argue that we’re no better than Baylor as of now. We’re only a couple scandals behind.I am speaking primarily of the primacy of Christ and teaching all classes from a Christian world view and having Christian professors. Harvard, Duke, Wake Forest all use to be Christian schools but have totally abandoned the faith. Schools like Baylor are headed in that direction. And yes, some schools need to pay more attention to Galatians.
I know for one thing. I don’t want to be stuck with the likes of PCC Or BJU which seems like some here want us to do.
LUDad wrote: ↑August 27th, 2020, 2:28 pmI get what you are saying but there are plenty christian schools out there that are conservative in their theology like Samford, Lipscomb, Pepperdine, GCU and Wheaton. You have Dallas, Cal and Houston baptist too all well respected. We can grab somebody out there at these universities. Investing in academics, no politics and restoring the spiritual side of the school. I think most outsiders will tell you, no politics and improving the academics (Especially LUonline) that we will be wanted.ballah09 wrote: ↑August 27th, 2020, 10:19 am I’d argue that we’re no better than Baylor as of now. We’re only a couple scandals behind.I am speaking primarily of the primacy of Christ and teaching all classes from a Christian world view and having Christian professors. Harvard, Duke, Wake Forest all use to be Christian schools but have totally abandoned the faith. Schools like Baylor are headed in that direction. And yes, some schools need to pay more attention to Galatians.
I know for one thing. I don’t want to be stuck with the likes of PCC Or BJU which seems like some here want us to do.