- August 12th, 2015, 3:58 pm
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It turned out well. We would not have what we have today without Doc's vision.
Moderators: jcmanson, Sly Fox, BuryYourDuke, Class of 20Something
SuperJon wrote:And how'd that turn out?No playoffs, consistently snubbed by the SoCon, but at least the team performed well the first couple of seasons before the bottom fell out.
PAmedic wrote:you're absolutely right
LUGrad2000 wrote:Since they will ALWAYS have a choice.....Purple Haize wrote:......and I doubt JMU would be open to playing usAgreed...unless they had no choice.
flameshaw wrote:FBS Independent, under the current circumstances, is about as likely as Bill Clinton keeping his pants zipped up for the rest of his life.I heard he's switching to 501's..........
Stop the madness.
BuryYourDuke wrote:We wouldn't be where we are today had we not gone 1-AA independent. No one is saying being independent FBS will be easy, but to get where we want to be it is probably the only foreseeable way at the moment.I agree with you for the most part, especially the first paragraph. The problem with going independent, assuming the rules were to change to allow this, would be scheduling. You can't make FBS teams play us. We have had trouble for many years getting a good quality OOC schedule. We had the same problem as a 1-AA school back in the day. It was embarrassing scheduling some of the teams we had to play in the SR and KK days. (It is good to see that we are no longer playing Dll schools now). Hopefully something positive will happen in the near future.
The NCAA changes the rules all the time. Some of yall are acting pretty ridiculous about the possibility of going independent. All it would take is filing a legal brief and the ncaa would roll over on this rule, because it's discriminatory. Plain and simple. If the choice is suffering for a while as an independent or staying in a dying division, watching teams come out of nowhere jumping to FBS (Kennesaw will be the next Coastal), I think it will be worth the sacrifice. This experience has made it clear that this is about who we are, and it's time to embrace the idea of going indy over begging the haters to like us.
BuryYourDuke wrote:We wouldn't be where we are today had we not gone 1-AA independent. No one is saying being independent FBS will be easy, but to get where we want to be it is probably the only foreseeable way at the moment.This lends more to the "wait for the best option, not the first option". IF the NCAA changes rules all the time then why jump to FBS Independent and burn bridges. There is a huge difference between making our jump to 1-AA and making a jump to FBS Independent in today's environment
The NCAA changes the rules all the time. Some of yall are acting pretty ridiculous about the possibility of going independent. All it would take is filing a legal brief and the ncaa would roll over on this rule, because it's discriminatory. Plain and simple. If the choice is suffering for a while as an independent or staying in a dying division, watching teams come out of nowhere jumping to FBS (Kennesaw will be the next Coastal), I think it will be worth the sacrifice. This experience has made it clear that this is about who we are, and it's time to embrace the idea of going indy over begging the haters to like us.
SuperJon wrote:With no TV deal (exposure) and no chance of a post season (bowl games), why would a recruit want to play for us? What are we selling?Because
BuryYourDuke wrote:What did we have to offer recruits for the first 20 years? What do we have to offer them now? We will still be on television more than most because of our network. Do you think the G5 conferences have any better reach? They aren't packing the bowl games with teams either. Even as an independent with some success we would get noticed for bowls. Bowl games are money making ventures. If our fan base travels well we will get bids.B1G might be more willing to schedule us since they are no longer going to play FCS teams. We would be perfect money games for them. One game a year like that would give good exposure, if we are competitive.
There will be other independent move ups, and they will need us in scheduling just like we need them. Other conference schools will definitely view an FBS indy game as superior over an FCS game. Like I said, it will be a struggle for a while, but it is far superior to the alternative.
BuryYourDuke wrote:What did we have to offer recruits for the first 20 years? What do we have to offer them now? We will still be on television more than most because of our network. Do you think the G5 conferences have any better reach? They aren't packing the bowl games with teams either. Even as an independent with some success we would get noticed for bowls. Bowl games are money making ventures. If our fan base travels well we will get bids.Simply getting noticed for bowls will not help get into a bowl.
There will be other independent move ups, and they will need us in scheduling just like we need them. Other conference schools will definitely view an FBS indy game as superior over an FCS game. Like I said, it will be a struggle for a while, but it is far superior to the alternative.
SuperJon wrote:With no TV deal (exposure) and no chance of a post season (bowl games), why would a recruit want to play for us? What are we selling?The mission of the school
PAmedic wrote:you're absolutely right
BuryYourDuke wrote:What did we have to offer recruits for the first 20 years? What do we have to offer them now? We will still be on television more than most because of our network. Do you think the G5 conferences have any better reach? They aren't packing the bowl games with teams either. Even as an independent with some success we would get noticed for bowls. Bowl games are money making ventures. If our fan base travels well we will get bids.Completely different landscape than 20 years ago. We weren't exactly a model for consistent success.
There will be other independent move ups, and they will need us in scheduling just like we need them. Other conference schools will definitely view an FBS indy game as superior over an FCS game. Like I said, it will be a struggle for a while, but it is far superior to the alternative.
SuperJon wrote:With no TV deal (exposure) and no chance of a post season (bowl games), why would a recruit want to play for us? What are we selling?This. If the point is to get exposure, FBS indy is a stupid idea, because we would get none.
Purple Haize wrote: ' We might as well go all the wayThat's what she said
PAmedic wrote:you're absolutely right
BuryYourDuke wrote:No exposure with less $ spent in scholarships/FCOA. I know we're swimming in money, but we still need to be good stewards and not throw it away of we can avoid it. Why spend more money for the same exposure?phoenix wrote:As opposed to what we get in FCS, which is?SuperJon wrote:With no TV deal (exposure) and no chance of a post season (bowl games), why would a recruit want to play for us? What are we selling?This. If the point is to get exposure, FBS indy is a stupid idea, because we would get none.
SuperJon wrote:FBS Independent (assuming the rules change and we don't bully our way in and the Big South somehow lets us keep our other sports there which is a different topic all together):Wouldn't the Big South prefer our football to leave? The way I understand it, the Big South requires COA for men's and women's basketball.
jimflamesfan wrote:If Coastal and Liberty both were to leave, unless they can get another football program to join (and as far as I know there is nothing about to happen anytime soon on that front) the BSC would lose their autobid. They definately don´t want that.SuperJon wrote:FBS Independent (assuming the rules change and we don't bully our way in and the Big South somehow lets us keep our other sports there which is a different topic all together):Wouldn't the Big South prefer our football to leave? The way I understand it, the Big South requires COA for men's and women's basketball.
Football would be the big area of Liberty's current advantage with COA.
I understand that LU's Olympic sports might have an advantage as well...but at the end of the day I think our administration would work it out with the Big South...the only concessions that I could see the Big South asking is that we drop COA for Olympic sports & they also might ask us to stay long enough for them to find a football only replacement to make sure they have enough teams to keep the auto bid. We'd probably agree to both.
The LU administration has been very consistent the entire time of realignment saying that they fully support the big south until the school can become FBS.
olldflame wrote:Which is a reason why if we left, the BSC wouldn't really want to do us any favorsjimflamesfan wrote:If Coastal and Liberty both were to leave, unless they can get another football program to join (and as far as I know there is nothing about to happen anytime soon on that front) the BSC would lose their autobid. They definately don´t want that.SuperJon wrote:FBS Independent (assuming the rules change and we don't bully our way in and the Big South somehow lets us keep our other sports there which is a different topic all together):Wouldn't the Big South prefer our football to leave? The way I understand it, the Big South requires COA for men's and women's basketball.
Football would be the big area of Liberty's current advantage with COA.
I understand that LU's Olympic sports might have an advantage as well...but at the end of the day I think our administration would work it out with the Big South...the only concessions that I could see the Big South asking is that we drop COA for Olympic sports & they also might ask us to stay long enough for them to find a football only replacement to make sure they have enough teams to keep the auto bid. We'd probably agree to both.
The LU administration has been very consistent the entire time of realignment saying that they fully support the big south until the school can become FBS.