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By Kiwon
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Sly Fox wrote:I doubt there would be a ton of dissent in that positioning.
You doubt the power of "The Blue Hose" against NC State or 'Ole Miss?
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By jcmanson
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BJWilliams wrote:PC really has not shown they are ready to take that next step and may be a couple years away
A couple years away? From what? Finishing 5th?
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By BJWilliams
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Pretty much...they really are not a good team. Unless there is a pretty significant change down in Clinton, the Blue Hose can be penciled in for the bottom spot (yes even behind Kennesaw State) for at least the next couple years
By JakeP50
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And from what Lang said in his article after all the spring games, it seems like the Clinton community doesn't really care about them at all. Lack of fan support, lack of on field success, the size of the school and the Big South factor all adds up and makes it really hard to get a program out of that big a hole.
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By Dr. Sheh
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jcmanson wrote:Updated. The Big South is probably the best it has ever been from top to bottom.
http://www.libertyflamesnation.com/big- ... -week-6-2/
I was going to ask Jon, where do you think the Big South stacks up this year compared to other FCS conferences? If you had to rank the conferences best to worst, what would you say? I haven't followed the other FCS leagues as much as I used to this year, but the Big South seems like the best it's been.
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By therealbodoyle
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JC: For your write-up on the CCU Furple game....not sure if you didn't know this or not, but this was a completely different QB that started against us that has not played at all. Granted we should have taken care of business in regulation, but this is not the same Furple team that lost to Presby and WCU.
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By jcmanson
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therealbodoyle wrote:JC: For your write-up on the CCU Furple game....not sure if you didn't know this or not, but this was a completely different QB that started against us that has not played at all. Granted we should have taken care of business in regulation, but this is not the same Furple team that lost to Presby and WCU.
I was aware. Thanks for your comments. It still took double overtime to beat the same team that lost to WCU & PC. Am I wrong? :wink: Not that it really matters, a win is a win, as I alluded to. Also, CCU is 18-2 in their last 20 FCS games. That's crazy.
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By flamesfilmguy
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Dr. Sheh wrote:
jcmanson wrote:Updated. The Big South is probably the best it has ever been from top to bottom.
http://www.libertyflamesnation.com/big- ... -week-6-2/
I was going to ask Jon, where do you think the Big South stacks up this year compared to other FCS conferences? If you had to rank the conferences best to worst, what would you say? I haven't followed the other FCS leagues as much as I used to this year, but the Big South seems like the best it's been.
I would say this is the "Power Rankings" of all the FCS Conferences-
1. MVFC
2.CAA
3.Big Sky
4.OVC
5.Southland
6. Big South
7. SoCon
8.MEAC
9.IVY
10.NEC
11.Patriot
12. Swac
13. Pioneer

Thought Process:
-Top to bottom the MVFC is far and above the deepest conference in FCS. I don't think anyone can look at the current top 25 and argue that.
-The CAA is deep as well 5 teams ranked in the top 25.
- The big sky and OVC are neck and neck IMO. Both have solid teams at the top of each conference. The top 5 in the OVC are exponentially better than the bottom 4. The Big Sky beats up on itself (sans the top 3) every year but has shown they are a top conference with their performance against OOC's across the board.
-Southland's addition of ACU has been a pleasant surprise. UIW and HBU have a long way to go however. With the usual powerhouses like Sam Houston struggling SELA, UCA and Mcneese have shown they can hang with all the top FCS opponents.
-BSC vs. SoCon. This one is easy. Presby, CSU and Coastal are a combined 5-0 against SoCon competition. The lone two losses to SoCon Competition have come from GWU's two losses to Furman and Citadel.
-The MEAC, lead by BCU, NC A&T and SCSU are better than they have been in recent years. Obviously the bottom of the conference is poor but the top 3 are either in the top 25 or receiving votes.
-Do not sleep on the Ivy's. They may not participate in playoffs but the Harvard Yale game this year will be one of the best FCS games of the year. Yale's game against Army was incredible. the bottom half of the conference is obviously not up to par but I would say they are better than they have been in years past.
-Patriot and NEC: Sacred Heart and Bryant have been pleasant surprises and continue to impress with wins over Delaware and Stony Brook. The Patriot (Sans Fordham) is in a down year. the rest of the conference is struggling against top FCS competition and unlike in recent years powers Lehigh and Laffy are very down.
-Swac: With 4 universities on probation, Alcorn State as your top contender and Texas Southern going 5-1 you have to think this is a pretty bad year for the SWAC attack.
Pioneer- I want so bad to rank them higher than last. having played against most of these teams in the past year, and knowing that there is some quality football being played the combo of having 3 of the worst teams in division 1(Stetson, Valpo and Davidson) and not having athletic scholarships its really hard to justify even the top teams (JU, Dayton and Campbell(big surprise there)) beating the top teams in the leagues above them. It doesn't help that both co-Champions from last year, Marist and Butler both graduated Heavy amounts of seniors this past year.
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By Dr. Sheh
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flamesfilmguy wrote:
Dr. Sheh wrote:
jcmanson wrote:Updated. The Big South is probably the best it has ever been from top to bottom.
http://www.libertyflamesnation.com/big- ... -week-6-2/
I was going to ask Jon, where do you think the Big South stacks up this year compared to other FCS conferences? If you had to rank the conferences best to worst, what would you say? I haven't followed the other FCS leagues as much as I used to this year, but the Big South seems like the best it's been.
I would say this is the "Power Rankings" of all the FCS Conferences-
1. MVFC
2.CAA
3.Big Sky
4.OVC
5.Southland
6. Big South
7. SoCon
8.MEAC
9.IVY
10.NEC
11.Patriot
12. Swac
13. Pioneer

Thought Process:
-Top to bottom the MVFC is far and above the deepest conference in FCS. I don't think anyone can look at the current top 25 and argue that.
-The CAA is deep as well 5 teams ranked in the top 25.
- The big sky and OVC are neck and neck IMO. Both have solid teams at the top of each conference. The top 5 in the OVC are exponentially better than the bottom 4. The Big Sky beats up on itself (sans the top 3) every year but has shown they are a top conference with their performance against OOC's across the board.
-Southland's addition of ACU has been a pleasant surprise. UIW and HBU have a long way to go however. With the usual powerhouses like Sam Houston struggling SELA, UCA and Mcneese have shown they can hang with all the top FCS opponents.
-BSC vs. SoCon. This one is easy. Presby, CSU and Coastal are a combined 5-0 against SoCon competition. The lone two losses to SoCon Competition have come from GWU's two losses to Furman and Citadel.
-The MEAC, lead by BCU, NC A&T and SCSU are better than they have been in recent years. Obviously the bottom of the conference is poor but the top 3 are either in the top 25 or receiving votes.
-Do not sleep on the Ivy's. They may not participate in playoffs but the Harvard Yale game this year will be one of the best FCS games of the year. Yale's game against Army was incredible. the bottom half of the conference is obviously not up to par but I would say they are better than they have been in years past.
-Patriot and NEC: Sacred Heart and Bryant have been pleasant surprises and continue to impress with wins over Delaware and Stony Brook. The Patriot (Sans Fordham) is in a down year. the rest of the conference is struggling against top FCS competition and unlike in recent years powers Lehigh and Laffy are very down.
-Swac: With 4 universities on probation, Alcorn State as your top contender and Texas Southern going 5-1 you have to think this is a pretty bad year for the SWAC attack.
Pioneer- I want so bad to rank them higher than last. having played against most of these teams in the past year, and knowing that there is some quality football being played the combo of having 3 of the worst teams in division 1(Stetson, Valpo and Davidson) and not having athletic scholarships its really hard to justify even the top teams (JU, Dayton and Campbell(big surprise there)) beating the top teams in the leagues above them. It doesn't help that both co-Champions from last year, Marist and Butler both graduated Heavy amounts of seniors this past year.
Thanks for this, really interesting stuff. Just saw where Barber tweeted that the Big South is # 2 football conference in terms of GPI, ahead of Big Sky and CAA. Guessing this still won't change our at large hopes anyway, so it's kind of a moot point, it's auto bid or nothing.
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