A Sea Of Red

Season A
W, 27-0 St Paul's
W, 31-7 Glenville St
L, 10-3 Towson

Season B
L, 20-17 Wake Forest
L, 31-24 #24 Norfolk St
L, 34-14 #14 Montana

The latter as far as I am concerned. Color me optimistic.

You know this contrast of comparisons chart noted above would actually make a great "banner" or "sign" to hang at Williams Stadium somewhere for the next game or perhaps behind the Flames team bench. I think that it might certainly help encourage the Liberty players; and or to help keep things for people, fans etc in the proper perspective.

In the end, there will be a giant upside for the future with playing quality opponents VS. playing teams less challenging to beat.

Case in point, Woodrum cut his teeth in his first full collegiate game against powerhouse Montana, in Montana at home; and statistically Liberty beat Montana in some important statistical columns for the game. I was at the game. A loss for Woodrum will IMHO be good for him in the end. Alot can happen in four years, but I can't wait to see what Woodrum could potentially do as a Senior or well seasoned, experienced QB.

This team has got talent, but is in some cases young and in other cases inexperienced.

The big picture future is bright for Liberty.

I should have included this as well, game 4 for each of those seasons:

Season A
vs Savannah St

Season B
vs #14 Lehigh

Better how? 2-1 is better than 0-3. But season B could certainly have the better team. You can't tell, if I'm supposed to be making my decision based off of those results.

LUconn wrote:Better how? 2-1 is better than 0-3. But season B could certainly have the better team. You can't tell, if I'm supposed to be making my decision based off of those results.

I knew you specifically would ask for more clarification. Would you rather be 2-1 facing those teams from Season A or be where we are now?

I went season B but with caution. We are playing much more difficult competition for sure. However it is imperative that the coaching staff keep a positive up tempo spirit about them or it will be devastating come Conf. play

Who went with Season A and why?

I voted for A on Accident. Meant B. Noone cares if you beat the season A teams. Doesn't move the needle.

They certainly could. I know that we kept some very stout attendance numbers during our winning streak from middle of 07-the Lafayette game in 08 because, even though the teams were not that good, because we literally couldnt lose, that amped everybody up (and kept us well above capacity at the time)

Season B because you can actually tell where you stand against better opponents.

I'm surprised this is such a landslide. I agree it is Season B, but I didn't think it was so clearcut.

We like meat better than cupcakes.

Practically, season B because we can still do something about it. That's my vote.
Philosophically, the Big Tuna Bill Parcell's himself has said repeatedly, you're only as good as your record says you are. I agree with that too. We're 0 and 3. Let's revisit this once the full season is in the books.

Go Flames!!!

Went with Season A only because there still would be a chance for us to go 11-1
Season B - Best we can do is 8-3.

Programs feed off wins - and most don't care who its against... Most our student body couldn't tell you what state Norfolk State is from, do you think they will know that they were ranked? I like playing better teams, but I'm all about winning... Marketing the game is much easier. (We don't have the most football educated fans). Now to make a determination on a coaches success? An AD knows who's good and bad and that should make a difference to him.

I see the pros and cons on both sides. I think ultimately its worth the risk of going 0-3 to get teams like WF and Montana on the schedule because if we could win these match ups, it would be monumental for the program. I am happy we are playing these types of schools and am glad to see more of it, but scheduling teams like Norfolk St, Lehigh...like prototype said in his post, no one knows who these teams are except for their fan bases and the diehard fans of FCS football. That's not a knock on them, they are both good football programs and I respect them a great deal, its just a fact in this day and age. Sadly right now, the same can be said about us. We have to get our name out there, and playing teams like Wake, Montana, WV,VTech,UVA, App St, NC State, and on and on can change that. Like I said earlier, Its worth the risk of going 0-3 to get the exposure if we were to pull out the win against a few of those caliber schools. We're at a disadvantage in going up to FBS because of our TV market and if we have to rely on that, we'll never move up. This is why its on us to get our name out there. This is how it can be done and I'm happy to see the AD is doing just that.

And folks let me remind everybody who is complaining about being 0-3, we can still win this conference, we can still get in the playoffs, and dare I say it, we can still win a National Championship! (something I hope to see before we move up!) We have the coach to do it finally, and I think we'll all be singing a different tune come season end.

GO FLAMES!

Just to clarify, is Season A Rocco's first year (or last year)?

Cider Jim wrote:Just to clarify, is Season A Rocco's first year (or last year)?

Rocco's first season for the record

prototype wrote:Went with Season A only because there still would be a chance for us to go 11-1
Season B - Best we can do is 8-3.

Programs feed off wins - and most don't care who its against... Most our student body couldn't tell you what state Norfolk State is from, do you think they will know that they were ranked? I like playing better teams, but I'm all about winning... Marketing the game is much easier. (We don't have the most football educated fans). Now to make a determination on a coaches success? An AD knows who's good and bad and that should make a difference to him.

Those are all excellent points. I agree. And I would add, for what it's worth, lazy pollsters won't even look at a team that's 0-3, regardless who they've played, and I've seen 9-2 teams who have played a weak schedule get an at-large playoff invite over 7-4 teams that played a great schedule and had a couple of "quality losses," if there is such a thing. As a fan, I would prefer the better schedule. But if this team was 2-1 right now, even with wins over a couple of bad teams, there's a chance of getting a playoff berth if things don't work out for an automatic.

EDIT: St. Paul's and Glenville both DII? So that doesn't apply toward the playoff argument. Avoid the non-DI games like the plague. Schedule Savannah State.

Season A.

Why? Cause winning is winning.

At the end of year they don't ask who you beat, they ask how many you won! <--- unless it's on flame fans and it's a debate started in a thread...

Bigsouthking wrote:Season A.

Why? Cause winning is winning.

At the end of year they don't ask who you beat, they ask how many you won! <--- unless it's on flame fans and it's a debate started in a thread... :I am laughing out loud. I typed "LOL" but that is for teenage girls who text. So please know that I am laughing. Out loud.:

In my experience, they only ask how many you won if you didn't win it all. I will take 7 and 3 ( excluding playoff wins) with a national title over 10 and 0 and a loss in the playoffs any day.

Just ask the 2011-2012 New York Giants...

Go Flames!!!

ProudPapa73 wrote:In my experience, they only ask how many you won if you didn't win it all. I will take 7 and 3 ( excluding playoff wins) with a national title over 10 and 0 and a loss in the playoffs any day.

Just ask the 2011-2012 New York Giants...

Go Flames!!!

when it comes to trying to move to the BCS either option is bad. You have mediocre wins against low level teams, and on the other hand you have losses to mid level teams (lets be real wake is not a premier BCS team). If I were a BCS conference (luckily I am not) that is how I would view it. We have GOT to get to the next level, that means winning these mid level competition games ( and not just "moral" wins).

OK, I'll bite. Please explain to me the correlation between winning games and moving up, how winning at the FCS level has anything to do with getting an invitation to join an FBS league? I don't see it.

LUminary wrote:OK, I'll bite. Please explain to me the correlation between winning games and moving up, how winning at the FCS level has anything to do with getting an invitation to join an FBS league? I don't see it.

Because conferences want to bring in schools that have lots of wins and have been dominant on the lower level. Do you think that when they announce us to their conference - they are going to breakdown our schedule? They're going to say - Liberty with 4 straight 10 win seasons has proven they can win at the FCS level and now are ready for the next challenge. When they review potential teams - do you think the teams that have won more rise to the top faster? or do you think they look at each team despite their records thinking that their schedule just must have been tougher?