[Flamesfan4ever]

We have the #1 budget $$$ in ALL of FCS football.

We have a number of FBS transfers.

We recruit kids who don't even come close to conforming to the "Liberty Way"

We now even allow guys with current drug arrests awaiting trial on the team....(We give "grace" to those 6'7 and 395 lbs.)

YET .....WE STILL DONT WIN !!!

How many games have we WON in the last 5 years...that we shouldnt have won ???

How long will we be satisfied with mediocrity?

If we are going to use THUGS as our team....shouldnt we at least be good?

Your thoughts.........

[Purple Haize]

While I think most of the post is a tad over the top I do think there is a lot of truth to that last question. If you chose to slacken your integrity, you would hope that there would be some sorta pay off. If everything were the same but we had won all those ' almost' games then you probably wouldn't hear too many gripes, because we could honestly say, 'hey, it's about winning football games . Everything else is secondary.'

[jcmanson]

Thugs is over the top IMO and uncalled for especially when you insinuate the entire team is made up of thugs.

[No Fear]

I still say the team is good.
Also, still think that it takes time. We are getting there, even though it seems like alot slower than we'd all like.
Ask the Cowboys - you can't buy championships...
Building the foundation is the key, need the stadium complete, programs enhanced... to increase recruiting... Recruiting is picking up, the team is getting better.

JMU beat W$M last week. So, JMU is pretty good. I haven't heard anyone say W&M is weak or call for W&M's coach to be replaced.

We are doing good with a young line so far. We haven't played any conference games so far, so chill. I think the team showed/proved they are good. The games that count begin this Friday.

They can still win the conference and make the playoffs, and if we don't make as many penaltys, a last second field goal is not going to help them come play-off time.

[Purple Haize]

I still say the team is good.

JMU beat W$M last week. So, JMU is pretty good. I haven't heard anyone say W&M is weak or call for W&M's coach to be replaced.

The games that count begin this Friday.

They can still win the conference and make the playoffs, and if we don't make as many penaltys, a last second field goal is not going to help them come play-off time.

WandM have a more constant record of success then we do.
Do you mean Saturday or were you referring to Liberty CHRISTIAN? I thought LU plays on Saturday?
We all agree that the BSC is weak. It is a minimal expectation that we win it OUT RIFGT.
Really? Going to the " if we only woulda" argument.

The burning question is: did reinstating a certain D Lineman, did we become appreciably better? If not, then why do it. If so, then the BSC will be a cake walk and we should win our first round play off game.

[righthash]

If you assume that the reason for reinstating Asa was strictly a decision based on winning against Lehigh...I would say you're wrong in your assumption. I think there's a lot more to it that none of us know. And who said "thugs" help win games? Is that a well known fact? And could you define what you mean by thugs, or who you are referring to?

I'd venture to say that you don't know any of our "thugs" on a personal level and if you did, your perception of them might be different.

[R i]

If we are stuck with limitations of being in the BigSouth, in recruiting and other matters, than winning the bigsouth is a LEGIT goal. It makes me cringe when people discount winning your conference.

Thugs are not better at football.

[From the class of 09]

We have the #1 budget $$$ in ALL of FCS football.

Is this true?

[flameshaw]

We have the #1 budget $$$ in ALL of FCS football.

Is this true?

No and not much else he said was either. Big hat, no cattle.

[jmdickens]

If you assume that the reason for reinstating Asa was strictly a decision based on winning against Lehigh...I would say you're wrong in your assumption. I think there's a lot more to it that none of us know.

What makes your assumption more valid than those who believe that it is only about winning? Your assumption is as baseless as you can have because no one wanted Mr. Chapman dismissed from LU, but merely from representing the university.

[righthash]

What makes your assumption more valid than those who believe that it is only about winning? Your assumption is as baseless as you can have because no one wanted Mr. Chapman dismissed from LU, but merely from representing the university.

I'm not assuming one way or the other. But if I say that there is more to it than most of us know, I think that's a valid argument, not baseless. You have to respect DR and JBs decision-making skills and know that this couldn't have been an easy decision to make because of the negative image it portrays. But I have to believe they made the decision despite the image because there are other things going on here behind the scenes that may not be released because of legal reasons or WHATEVER. Just talk to someone inside the program and get their opinion, and I guarantee yours will change, at least a little bit, about the motives behind this.

[R i]

Just talk to someone inside the program and get their opinion, and I guarantee yours will change, at least a little bit, about the motives behind this.

What if no one on the "inside" is talking. Or I dont know anyone. Or I dont live near the school. Would you suggest an email?

[Sly Fox]

Guys, I am increasingly become more uncomfortable with the level of personal attacks. Everyone should re-read the terms of service at the top of the forum.

[LUconn]

I guess you haven't been around for a few days. You should have seen this thread's twin.

[Sly Fox]

I was out of touch in Chicago since Monday. Thanks to whoever kept those threads in check.

[baso4]

Ok, Everybody take a deep breath and relax. I'm not a know it all, and I appreciate the variety of views expressed in this thread. Just as each of you have done, I will post my humble opinion.

The football program is going to do fine. Fortunately, the 3 loses were televised and you can watch all three replays on ESPN 3. Once you see for yourself, you would have to agree that it's WAY over the top to call for Rocco's head.

I attended all 4 games, and have watched the replays just for commentary. What I see is a VERY good football team that has had some mis-cues and mistakes (more bone-headed penalities than anything ) (several long gains and scores called back, including 3 TDs Sat) that have kept them from beating an ACC opponent and the number 10 and 13 ranked teams in the FCS. Could Liberty have won any or all of the games? Heck, yes! Now, I know, I know, the didn't. So now they fall out of the top 25.

This weekend, the scrubs wil play...Mike, Corey, Chris, basically all the starters will get some time off. We will get a good look at the true depth at evey position. One of the guys, Sigmon, who has done an awesome job as a redshirt freshman will probably get some well deserved rest, although, knowing him, he'd rather play. All in all, this game will give coaches a chance to see Brennan, and a bunch of other guys who have worked hard, in action.

I would ask that posters who refer to the football team as "thugs" stop doing so. I, along with other posters on this forum, have family on the team. Because you disagree with the way THE UNIVERSITY handled a situation, and have already judged and convicted a young man who IS facing CHARGES, doesn't warrant addressing the football team as "thugs".

Anyway, look for the team to win out, win the Big South for a 5th time, and do quite well in the post season. God bless all; I enjoy reading the posts. Take care...enjoy the show,,,

[Purple Haize]

As part of the loyal opposition I disagree with your assessment. The anger and frustration is over the universities decision. There is no denying the fact that he was found in possession of cocaine, pot, suspended liscense and an FTA for grins and giggles. What he ends up pleading to is in material to the damaging decision by the administration . (not that they really care what posters on FF have to say)

[Hold My Own]

As the resident FF user of "....." that post was not me!

All of this stuff makes me want to hibernate for a couple of months.

[Purple Haize]

As the resident FF user of "....." that post was not me!

All of this stuff makes me want to hibernate for a couple of months.

Well winter is right around the corner....

[Hold My Own]

Not nearly soon enough

[jmdickens]

I'm not assuming one way or the other. But if I say that there is more to it than most of us know, I think that's a valid argument, not baseless. You have to respect DR and JBs decision-making skills and know that this couldn't have been an easy decision to make because of the negative image it portrays. But I have to believe they made the decision despite the image because there are other things going on here behind the scenes that may not be released because of legal reasons or WHATEVER. Just talk to someone inside the program and get their opinion, and I guarantee yours will change, at least a little bit, about the motives behind this.

The fact that you assume it isn't football related is an assumption and is absolutely baseless. The only way you can conclude that there is just more to it than we know is a big assumption....Unless Danny Rocco or Jeff Barber comes out and says there are facts that cannot be disclosed that gives them a reason to believe Chapman is innocent.

Why are so many people associated with our University so inept at handling negative press about our University? That is a general question for everyone. Why is it that people at LU are unable to take any criticism. Do we not believe in the depravity of man. and yes, that includes Christians and people of authority in Christian circles.

Even when we aren't falling to worldly temptations, we still make mistakes. Is there any way that two men at a Christian university that proclaims the gospel of Christ can be free from intentionally doing something wrong? I mean, our own dean of the Seminary lied about his past to advance his career. We have a dean of the law school who some believe helped a woman and her child escape the US to avoid the mother losing custody of the child. Men, and that is all men make mistakes and are susceptible to sin, even when we think our way is right. We have too many rank and file Christians and this is a perfect example...just do what you are told

[truthorconsequences]

Ok, Everybody take a deep breath and relax. I'm not a know it all, and I appreciate the variety of views expressed in this thread. Just as each of you have done, I will post my humble opinion.

The football program is going to do fine. Fortunately, the 3 loses were televised and you can watch all three replays on ESPN 3. Once you see for yourself, you would have to agree that it's WAY over the top to call for Rocco's head.

I attended all 4 games, and have watched the replays just for commentary. What I see is a VERY good football team that has had some mis-cues and mistakes (more bone-headed penalities than anything ) (several long gains and scores called back, including 3 TDs Sat) that have kept them from beating an ACC opponent and the number 10 and 13 ranked teams in the FCS. Could Liberty have won any or all of the games? Heck, yes! Now, I know, I know, the didn't. So now they fall out of the top 25.

This weekend, the scrubs wil play...Mike, Corey, Chris, basically all the starters will get some time off. We will get a good look at the true depth at evey position. One of the guys, Sigmon, who has done an awesome job as a redshirt freshman will probably get some well deserved rest, although, knowing him, he'd rather play. All in all, this game will give coaches a chance to see Brennan, and a bunch of other guys who have worked hard, in action.

I would ask that posters who refer to the football team as "thugs" stop doing so. I, along with other posters on this forum, have family on the team. Because you disagree with the way THE UNIVERSITY handled a situation, and have already judged and convicted a young man who IS facing CHARGES, doesn't warrant addressing the football team as "thugs".

Anyway, look for the team to win out, win the Big South for a 5th time, and do quite well in the post season. God bless all; I enjoy reading the posts. Take care...enjoy the show,,,

If and buts were candy and nuts we would all have a Merry Christmas. Why do we call this a University decision when it was first a coach and ad. It is ridiculous to reinstate a player with a pending cocaine felony plain and simple. I have heard numerous booster say they are finished with athletics at Liberty University. We are not an island but what to claim our spot in the greater christian community yet have little regard of the impact such a decision has on our relationship to many principle centered faith based believers.

[thepostman]

This has been played out on this board. My opinion aside on the decsion itself but if lu thinks this decision has not and will bot effect alumni giving they are mistaken.

PR never has mattered. Its the main reason why university relations was pretty much disbanded a few years ago. Now this attitude of who cares what people think is truly having a negative reaction.

[Purple Haize]

PR never has mattered. Its the main reason why university relations was pretty much disbanded a few years ago. Now this attitude of who cares what people think is truly having a negative reaction.

I would hope that this situation shows the error of this. PR does not stop you from necessarily doing what you want. It just attempts to make it more palatable to others. The actions are basically irrelevant, the explanation isn't. Just friendly advice

[R i]

If they did not read the first 297 post with the PR advice....

your point has been made. several times