[SuperJon]

Ok, some of the stuff I've read tonight is just plain out stupid.

Tonight hurt. It really did. You guys have every right to be angry, but some of the things being said are a little over the top.

To anyone wanting to leave the Big South: really? C'mon now. Our schedule is already set for next year. We can't leave for next year and we have an auto bid the year after that so really what's the point? Schedule a good non-conference schedule, win a couple of those games, win the Big South, and we're in the playoffs.

To anyone saying we'd have to go 11-0 or 10-1 next year to be in the discussion for the playoffs and even then we wouldn't get in: really? C'mon now. The playoffs are a long shot next year, but if we were to run the table in the league, beat NCCU, beat Lafayette, and beat whatever team we replace Iona with we would have a very good case and there's almost no way they keep us out.

To anyone saying the PC lost absolutely killed us: It hurt our chances, but it didn't kill them. USC is still top five in the nation and they lost to Oregon St. Florida is top 3 and lost to a crap team. Bad losses hurt, but in the end, they're only one loss.

To anyone talking crap about Maine: just stop. Yeah, I made my Facebook status something about Maine right after the selection show but I've since changed it. Maine did nothing wrong. It's not Maine's fault we're not in.

Ok, Jonathan, that's a good point, but who should I be mad at? Well, there are a few people:

Be mad at North Carolina Central. Had they not dropped us at the last minute in favor of Coastal, they would've been our game instead of Glenville St. We beat them, we're 9-2 in the eyes of the committee. Glenville St is actually a better team than NC Central, but Central is a Division I win.

Be mad at the athletic director from UMass. He is the chairman of the committee. He was the chairman of the committee last year. Before he became chairman, no conference had ever had more than four teams in the playoffs. His two years as chairman have seen five teams from the CAA get in.


If you're still mad about this thing and typing off of emotions instead of using your brain, do us all a favor and stop. Take a break for a day or two, and then come back. We've all had to do it at times. It is embarrassing to be a Liberty fan to see some of the stuff posted on AGS, especially from Knuckle and luflame15. Calm down, think this stuff through, and let's get back to using our brains on here at least a little bit.

[thepostman]

if Presby was our only loss then I would agree with your statement that Presby did not do us in...but we already had one loss and we pretty much knew if we did not win out after losing to Lafyette that we would be more then likely on the outside looking in. That was pretty much all the talk around here when we loss to Presby, then we won the way we did against Elon and we started to think...hmmmm maybe...

It sucks...I feel bad for the guys...but you're also right...why in the world take the anger out on Maine? they didn't bribe anybody...UMaine doesn't exactly put too much money unto their football program...its all about the hockey up there...

anyways, good post though Jon...

[madmat]

Superjon said

and there's almost no way they keep us out.

Next years slogan (see above).

I am so bitter, I could crap a lemon.

[Kolzilla41]

USC is still top five in the nation and they lost to Oregon St. Florida is top 3 and lost to a crap team. Bad losses hurt, but in the end, they're only one loss.

Apples and Oranges



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[ToTheLeft]

It is embarrassing to be a Liberty fan to see some of the stuff posted on AGS, especially from Knuckle and luflame15.

What he said.

[ToTheLeft]

And last night, I said some stupid stuff on here. But really, this was just my way of venting. I don't have a punching bag. I don't drink or smoke. I didn't have anything else to do but cry and whine on here.

I knew we were out once I saw the modified GPI. I knew the reason was simple. Presby, Laffy, Glenville, and NGU. They all brought down out schedule, and were virtually 4 losses. And the committee proved that they look more at losses than wins. it proves that we have to set up schedules for good losses. My heart goes out to William and Mary... they got snubbed because the Selection Commish had a mancrush on Maine for beating his team and "playing JMU close". I'm sorry, Tribe. You deserved better. As did we. But we were just a joke to the committee. What the committee did to W and M, that's the real shame here.

[LUconn]

Oh get over yourselves and your looking down at us. Any system that apparently would consider us a better team with an identical season without having played 2 games that we won easily is a stupid system.

[SuperJon]

The thing I find absolutely mind blowing is how people would rather us play NC Central than Glenville. Glenville was a much better team than NC Central. Their running back was the best running back we saw all year.

[ATrain]

The thing I find absolutely mind blowing is how people would rather us play NC Central than Glenville. Glenville was a much better team than NC Central. Their running back was the best running back we saw all year.

NC Central would've been a D-I win (I think...they stepped up as the same year as PC, right?), making us 9-2 in the eyes of the playoff committee. While Glenville St. might've been a better team, they're still D-II.

[Sly Fox]

I made the statement about Glenville & NGU having more scholarship players than some of Maine's DI victims. I just don't get that mindset. If we beat a non-scholarship Pioneer team it is better for our chances than a quality DII. Sad.

[Rooster Cogburn]

I am so bitter, I could crap a lemon.

NO, this is next year's slogan!

[JMUDukes]

NCCU is the WORST team we played all year. by far. ya'll should work them up and down the field.

[Knucklehead]

Yep, it is me. I'm here for one post, and gone again. After 10 text messages from friends that I was being trashed on her, I thought I'd take a look. I wouldn't call any of what I read here trashed. Look I was angry like all of you last night, and posted my thoughts on AGS. I stand by EVERYTHING I said, and don't like being lumped in with the other guy who called it religious bias. I did not say that and do not believe it. I think there may be an issue from some against LU because we are so new to the picture and not part of the traditional powers.

I called it Bias for the CAA and against the Big South. That is all. I did say mean things against Maine, but they were meant as Sarcasm and fun. This team deserved to be in, and were done wrong. I love these guys, and hope they make it a 3peat in'09!

I dearly miss you gents, and hope someday to come back! I know certain people hope I will not!

[Knucklehead]

1 more thing. According to what is said here regularly and the title of this thread there are only 2 or 3 folks on the board with brains anyway. Sorry the rest of us have brainless opinions. It is clear that there are opinions that are (and have been) taboo on this board. It is just sad that the FF police now even chase some of us down to AGS and police us there too.

I'm done. My friend LUConn's post set that rant off.

I am so out of here!

[FlameNForest]

OIt is embarrassing to be a Liberty fan to see some of the stuff posted on AGS, especially from Knuckle and luflame15. Calm down, think this stuff through, and let's get back to using our brains on here at least a little bit.

I noticed Sly posted over there too and said basically the same thing Knuckle stated, yet he gets no special mention from you?

[LUconn]

He's scared of Sly's god-like internet powers.

[FlameNForest]

He's scared of Sly's god-like internet powers.

Aren't we all?

[Rooster Cogburn]

He's scared of Sly's god-like internet powers.

Aren't we all?

I truly am that is for sure! Sly is the ONE we all adore!

[Sly Fox]

I stand by my statements and knowing the process more than just in passing I still believe who we are was held against us in the process. If that means I am speaking without a brain, so be it.

[FlameNForest]

I stand by my statements and knowing the process more than just in passing I still believe who we are was held against us in the process. If that means I am speaking without a brain, so be it.

I think so too.

It's the same as it's always been. We're a Christian school and founded by Falwell and they hold it against us. It was blatant 10+ years ago with the Southern Conference, just like it was/is with some schools in this area not wanting to schedule us and now with the playoffs. At least in basketball most of the state schools have played us and still do. But with football, it was only recently that W&M scheduled us and we still haven't played Richmond yet.

Anyone who says that the type of school we are doesn't play a part in this hasn't been paying attention the last 20 years.

[RagingTireFire]

I think so too.

It's the same as it's always been. We're a Christian school and founded by Falwell and they hold it against us. It was blatant 10+ years ago with the Southern Conference, just like it was/is with some schools in this area not wanting to schedule us and now with the playoffs. At least in basketball most of the state schools have played us and still do. But with football, it was only recently that W&M scheduled us and we still haven't played Richmond yet.

Anyone who says that the type of school we are doesn't play a part in this hasn't been paying attention the last 20 years.

I completely disagree. The vintage 80's fundie siege mentality is as misplaced as it is narcissistic. There is no one out there trying to screw Liberty athletically. As someone who, once upon a time, worked for an A-10 school I can tell you that these people have a lot more to worry about and deal with than trying to find new and inventive ways to job us. This slight has so much more to do with a CAA representative getting another team in for his conference than anything whatsoever to do with Liberty. Yeah, we got screwed. So did William & Mary, Jacksonville State, Florida A&M and Elon because they had to jump over all five of us to get to Maine. To automatically assume that this was about us is completely assinine.

If any you think this is just more evidence of something that's been "going on for the last 20 years", I would say that your head is currently lodged in the same orifice it was lodged in 20 years ago.

[Rooster Cogburn]

It floors me how those of you who disagree with the religion point find it necessary to trash and insult those who don't. I personally find myself on the fence for this issue. I think the Maine choice totally leaps over any religion issue all the way to blind stupidity with no reason or logic whatsoever.

[01LUGrad]

To anyone saying we'd have to go 11-0 or 10-1 next year to be in the discussion for the playoffs and even then we wouldn't get in: really? C'mon now. The playoffs are a long shot next year, but if we were to run the table in the league, beat NCCU, beat Lafayette, and beat whatever team we replace Iona with we would have a very good case and there's almost no way they keep us out.

I hope you weren't referring to my post there. That was about as clearly sarcastic as you can get without putting the words "sarcasm alert" in yellow at the top of the post.

[The Dude]

The vintage 80's fundie siege mentality is as misplaced as it is narcissistic. There is no one out there trying to screw Liberty athletically. As someone who, once upon a time, worked for an A-10 school I can tell you that these people have a lot more to worry about and deal with than trying to find new and inventive ways to job us. This slight has so much more to do with a CAA representative getting another team in for his conference than anything whatsoever to do with Liberty. Yeah, we got screwed. So did William & Mary, Jacksonville State, Florida A&M and Elon because they had to jump over all five of us to get to Maine. To automatically assume that this was about us is completely assinine.

If any you think this is just more evidence of something that's been "going on for the last 20 years", I would say that your head is currently lodged in the same orifice it was lodged in 20 years ago.

I wouldn't say the religion issue is the main or only reason LU gets snubbed, but I do think it plays a part. Whether consciously or subconsciously, Liberty is looked down upon in many circles. Plus being a relatively young school not steeped in tradition and being in the Big South hasn't helped our cause. I don't doubt any other school, even in the Big South, that put up the exact 10-2 record vs. the same competition would've been shoe ins for the playoffs.

Also, I have to agree that you are naive if you think there hasn't been any anti-LU/Falwell bias through the years with several conferences and teams in this area.

[SuperJon]

To anyone saying we'd have to go 11-0 or 10-1 next year to be in the discussion for the playoffs and even then we wouldn't get in: really? C'mon now. The playoffs are a long shot next year, but if we were to run the table in the league, beat NCCU, beat Lafayette, and beat whatever team we replace Iona with we would have a very good case and there's almost no way they keep us out.

I hope you weren't referring to my post there. That was about as clearly sarcastic as you can get without putting the words "sarcasm alert" in yellow at the top of the post.

I wasn't talking about you in particular.


And as of the time I posted last night, Sly hadn't said anything like that so I couldn't use him as a reference for saying dumb things.