[jcmanson]

Why do we have to keep saying I will keep supporting the team? That should be an obvious!

[madmat]

We were at the game. A few points to consider.

Suprised by number of LU fans there, and holding their own in loudness.

Our offense had them on their heals running the ball, most of the night. 2nd and 5 is a good playcalling down. Rashad with 6.5 per carry. I am a fan of Mosier at left guard. Time to pass vs FBS team, amazing, Brock was in the pocket for what seemed like an eternity.

Don't underestimate the limitations of not having Zach in the lineup. This was truly unfortunate and restricts playcallilng options.

Nick Hursky's absense from the middle was huge. Stevie Ray had to defend the box vs. Parmale, and provide support for the myriad of screens out to trips. Bannon will be good, but we paid a price for his FBS education last night.

(I know they had injuries to deal with as well, but if an FCS is to beat an FBS, you need full strength.)

The interception for a TD was a mixed blessing. Sure I'll take the points, but D had to go right back out there. And the wear down became more effident. Not sure everyone noticed the size of UT O line vs our D Line, but from field level, it was significant. Its tough when you are praying for a penalty or a turnover as your best means of stopping the march.

Critical error, taking out a receiver when the ball sails (like a punt) over DB's head, and you go from an interception to a huge unsportsmanlike penalty. Sets up a score I believe.

O Lineman down field? When I looked at the replay on the jumbo, I saw all 5 interior linemen running with slide protection along the line of scrimmage. You get 3 yds up field for pass blocking, but not at the end of their homecoming game in the last seconds.

Followed by............

Contact on the receiver while the ball is in the air used to be illegal. Should have caught the ball. Ewww, I hate that word.

We all have to focus, and get ready and get behind these guys, to capture the first Big South title in football. Let us check to see if our contributions here are constructive and beneficial or devisive and conterproductive. Venting, however, can be threraputic, if managed.

[Iwasneverhere]

MM i love you. whoever you are. and by the way. that DB with the unsportsmanlike was none other than.... you guessed it, MR. HICKS.

[Stevev]

How much longer is Coach Rocco going to tolerate this Hicks guy's crap on the field?

[madmat]

Iwas, I am touched.

[SuperJon]

Madmat's one of the two people I try to talk to after every game since he knows way more than I'll ever know. If he said it, I take it as truth.

[FlamingChick]

MM i love you. whoever you are. and by the way. that DB with the unsportsmanlike was none other than.... you guessed it, MR. HICKS.

I thought that call was actually going to be a pass interference call. I was surprised at that one, but maybe I missed something. I had my eye on Hicks last night though, I thought he handled himself better than in the past games. That game was a very physical one, and there was a lot of talking going on. There was also a lot of things that the refs didnt call too though...

[bigsmooth]

i was not there, but i listened to it and yeah you could second guess play calling, but the bototm line is the defense did not make the stops in the end...end of story. props to SJ for reeling himself in afetr the comments he made. this is a messageboard to vent and question, but sometimes we should all step back from the keyboard and relax before we post. we can still win the big south which is an attainable goal, and i feel we will. now everyone who has questioned rocco and his staff, pickup the phone and call in tuesday night and ask the coach. i have no problem with venting and second guessing, but if want an answer call in.

[El Scorcho]

MM i love you. whoever you are. and by the way. that DB with the unsportsmanlike was none other than.... you guessed it, MR. HICKS.

Is that two or three unsportsmanlike conduct penalties on Hicks this year?

[SuperJon]

That would be three.


The Coastal game could be ugly with Hicks and Simpson running their mouths to each other all game. Simpson picked up an unsportsmanlike for jawing on Saturday as well.

[Chris Lang]

That personal foul was called on Tim Torrence, not Kent Hicks.

[El Scorcho]

Thanks, Chris.

[SuperJon]

That personal foul was called on Tim Torrence, not Kent Hicks.

I said that during the game but forgot.


Kent has been getting better in terms of running his mouth. We're all very hard on him but we have to give credit where it's due. He's learning. Coach has said in interviews that sometimes Kent can be his own worst enemy and he's right. Kent has all the potential in the world and his athletic ability is amazing. He's just got to keep learning how to behave (and believe me, it's a learning process) and he'll be better.

For as much crap as I've talked about him (I admit that I have), he has is ten-fold better than he was when he first got here. I sincerely hope that he keeps working to get better as a man, and a football player, and we can have the same effect on him that the school and staff has had on Vince.

[ToTheLeft]

I am glad I have a couple years of school left. I want to see Mike Brown in these situations.

Yeah, I just hope they will have the same patience with him that they've had with Brock...

I don't see why not.

Brock has earned the patience.

He just isn't 100% consistent.

He is (copyright SJ) a "game-manager" and needs to e treated as such.

Brown is going to blow us away, I just get this feeling.

[thepostman]

i was not there, but i listened to it and yeah you could second guess play calling, but the bototm line is the defense did not make the stops in the end...end of story. props to SJ for reeling himself in afetr the comments he made. this is a messageboard to vent and question, but sometimes we should all step back from the keyboard and relax before we post. we can still win the big south which is an attainable goal, and i feel we will. now everyone who has questioned rocco and his staff, pickup the phone and call in tuesday night and ask the coach. i have no problem with venting and second guessing, but if want an answer call in.

and I will send an e-mail...I can't call in because I am working, but I do listen and I have sent in an e-mail the past two weeks...and I will be e-mailing again this week...maybe not looked upon as good as a phone call, but some of us are busy most of the day 5 days a week

[SuperJon]

I think an e-mail is just as good. Do whatever you can to support in whatever way possible is my thoughts.

[Sly Fox]

And he is the recap from Chris ...

LU's chance for a big win slips away

By Chris Lang
Lynchburg News & Advance
October 7, 2007

TOLEDO, Ohio - Try to bait them. Seriously, give it a shot. Liberty lost 35-34 at Toledo Saturday night, the closest game the Flames have played against an FBS team in 13 years. Yet the Flames took no solace in the narrow margin, because they know they blew a huge opportunity. Just ask them.

Looking for a positive spin on the loss or tired cliches about moral victories? Not happening. That line of questioning was met with a roll of the eyes.

Click Here for Full Story

Very nicely written, Chris.

[BJWilliams]

After taking the last 24 hours to think about last night's loss, and to cool off instead of allowing my emotions to get the better of me and say some things I should not...I wanted to put my thoughts about this team down (jokes about reading and acknowledging my posts aside *glares at schfourteenteen and PAMedic*):

I am behind this team. These guys are light years ahead of where they were my first 4 years at Liberty. Coach Rocco has done some amazing things with this team and I sense that as the last of the Karcher recruits finishes out their time with Liberty and he is working with his own recruits, that only good things can happen. I do however have a few thoughts.

First, about the defense. Last night, I was of the idea that if I was Jeff Barber, heads would be rolling immediately, or at the latest the end of the season. Then I realized, that this same team (minus a few key parts) was one of the top defenses in America last year scoring wise. What this shows me is that our opponents have done their homework, and found what our weaknesses are. The task for our coaches now is that they need to see that and make further adjustments. I know that sounds obvious but if it was so obvious, then it would have been fixed by now.

Second, Leadership. I know we have captains, but if you are named as a captain of a team, you are seen by your coaches and your peers as someone the rest of the team can look to for on the field guidance. The coaches can only do so much. The captaincy is not something to be taken lightly (Im not saying the players have necessarily but its part of my point). This is something I think is a problem with Brock (I will go into further detail on him later), in that he has not really seemed to me like somebody that really takes charge in the huddle when things are going rough. he isn't what I would see as the first person out of the tunnel before a game to get ready. someone who takes the initiative to work with his backs and receivers on running routes and doing simple swing passes and screen plays.

Third, about Brock Smith. I really genuinely believe he has the talent in him to be one of the top QBS in I-AA/FCS (and yes I am aware of guys like Ricky Santos on New Hampshire, Armanti Edwards of Appalachian State and I could go on and on). Look at Brock's numbers from the first 2.5 years:









Brock has shown as these numbers indicate, flashes of the great QB he can be. Trouble is, they are only flashes. If Coach Streeter can tap into that talent I know is in there, and can make use of it, Brock could really blow a lot of people's minds. I was cruising on AGS this weekend and there was a discussion on the top QBs in FCS: http://www.anygivensaturday.com/forum/s ... hp?t=30267

I think that Brock has enough talent to easily be someone worth mentioning in this discussion, trouble is, much of that talent has not been utilized to its fullest.

I think this team CAN go from Good2Great. and I look forward to being at the home games with the band the rest of the year playing the fight song in our rocking red shirts.

[SuperJon]

Coach Rocco has done some amazing things with this team and I sense that as the last of the Karcher recruits finishes out their time with Liberty and he is working with his own recruits, that only good things can happen. I do however have a few thoughts.

So you're saying Nick Hursky, Ryan Greiser, and Steve Ackley are the reasons we're not playing good because they're Karcher recruits? What about Mike Godsil, Wynton Jackson, Brandon Turner, Zach Terrell, Brock Smith, and Dominic Bolden?

First, about the defense. Last night, I was of the idea that if I was Jeff Barber, heads would be rolling immediately, or at the latest the end of the season. Then I realized, that this same team (minus a few key parts) was one of the top defenses in America last year scoring wise. What this shows me is that our opponents have done their homework, and found what our weaknesses are. The task for our coaches now is that they need to see that and make further adjustments. I know that sounds obvious but if it was so obvious, then it would have been fixed by now.

This stuff is just silly. The fact that you said you'd even consider firing coaches renders your opinion on this subject as one that is, well, unintelligent at best.

Second, Leadership. I know we have captains, but if you are named as a captain of a team, you are seen by your coaches and your peers as someone the rest of the team can look to for on the field guidance. The coaches can only do so much. The captaincy is not something to be taken lightly (Im not saying the players have necessarily but its part of my point).

Are you saying our captains aren't leaders? Have you ever seen this team other than the 60 minutes on the field? I'm serious. If you don't see Stevie Ray or Sene leading this team then you're watching some other team than the one I am.

This is something I think is a problem with Brock (I will go into further detail on him later), in that he has not really seemed to me like somebody that really takes charge in the huddle when things are going rough. he isn't what I would see as the first person out of the tunnel before a game to get ready. someone who takes the initiative to work with his backs and receivers on running routes and doing simple swing passes and screen plays.

Dumbest thing of your entire post. I don't even know what to say about it. This answers my question of have you ever seen anything not on the field. Brock is the one who's at the FOC more than most of the team. Brock was the one leading the off-season conditioning when guys were getting tired. These guys rally around Brock. Brock is their quarterback. They trust in Brock. You are so far off base with that section of your post it isn't even funny.

I look forward to being at the home games with the band the rest of the year playing the fight song in our rocking red shirts.

That part just made me laugh.

[thepostman]

wow SJ....you went way too far out of your way to acknowledge BJ's post....way to go!

sorry, had to say it

PS....Karcher was a good recruiter, just a terrible coach....seems like that was a common theme around here huh??

[ToTheLeft]

8-3 guys, 8-3.

That's all I gotta say.

Who's goin' to the Chuck game, and can I catch a ride or carpool or somethin'?

[PAmedic]

from CHRIS' wrap:

"It was a long hot game," Greiser said. "I know all of us fought to the end. By no means did we give up out there. We just came up short."

and he's right. That may be what was so frustrating about the whole thing while listening to it- but MAN! What a game for #24.

but I'm sure he would have traded it all for a win.

[bigsmooth]

i was not there, but i listened to it and yeah you could second guess play calling, but the bototm line is the defense did not make the stops in the end...end of story. props to SJ for reeling himself in afetr the comments he made. this is a messageboard to vent and question, but sometimes we should all step back from the keyboard and relax before we post. we can still win the big south which is an attainable goal, and i feel we will. now everyone who has questioned rocco and his staff, pickup the phone and call in tuesday night and ask the coach. i have no problem with venting and second guessing, but if want an answer call in.

and I will send an e-mail...I can't call in because I am working, but I do listen and I have sent in an e-mail the past two weeks...and I will be e-mailing again this week...maybe not looked upon as good as a phone call, but some of us are busy most of the day 5 days a week

postie you seem to get upset everytime i talk about calling in. e-mail, do whatever, but i am busy daily as well and i seem to get a quick phone call in. but as SJ said anything is good.

[BJWilliams]

Coach Rocco has done some amazing things with this team and I sense that as the last of the Karcher recruits finishes out their time with Liberty and he is working with his own recruits, that only good things can happen. I do however have a few thoughts.

So you're saying Nick Hursky, Ryan Greiser, and Steve Ackley are the reasons we're not playing good because they're Karcher recruits? What about Mike Godsil, Wynton Jackson, Brandon Turner, Zach Terrell, Brock Smith, and Dominic Bolden?

First, about the defense. Last night, I was of the idea that if I was Jeff Barber, heads would be rolling immediately, or at the latest the end of the season. Then I realized, that this same team (minus a few key parts) was one of the top defenses in America last year scoring wise. What this shows me is that our opponents have done their homework, and found what our weaknesses are. The task for our coaches now is that they need to see that and make further adjustments. I know that sounds obvious but if it was so obvious, then it would have been fixed by now.

This stuff is just silly. The fact that you said you'd even consider firing coaches renders your opinion on this subject as one that is, well, unintelligent at best.

Second, Leadership. I know we have captains, but if you are named as a captain of a team, you are seen by your coaches and your peers as someone the rest of the team can look to for on the field guidance. The coaches can only do so much. The captaincy is not something to be taken lightly (Im not saying the players have necessarily but its part of my point).

Are you saying our captains aren't leaders? Have you ever seen this team other than the 60 minutes on the field? I'm serious. If you don't see Stevie Ray or Sene leading this team then you're watching some other team than the one I am.

This is something I think is a problem with Brock (I will go into further detail on him later), in that he has not really seemed to me like somebody that really takes charge in the huddle when things are going rough. he isn't what I would see as the first person out of the tunnel before a game to get ready. someone who takes the initiative to work with his backs and receivers on running routes and doing simple swing passes and screen plays.

Dumbest thing of your entire post. I don't even know what to say about it. This answers my question of have you ever seen anything not on the field. Brock is the one who's at the FOC more than most of the team. Brock was the one leading the off-season conditioning when guys were getting tired. These guys rally around Brock. Brock is their quarterback. They trust in Brock. You are so far off base with that section of your post it isn't even funny.

I look forward to being at the home games with the band the rest of the year playing the fight song in our rocking red shirts.

That part just made me laugh.

Well Im glad I amused you. I'lll offer further thoughts after I get out of class

[BJWilliams]

Coach Rocco has done some amazing things with this team and I sense that as the last of the Karcher recruits finishes out their time with Liberty and he is working with his own recruits, that only good things can happen. I do however have a few thoughts.

So you're saying Nick Hursky, Ryan Greiser, and Steve Ackley are the reasons we're not playing good because they're Karcher recruits? What about Mike Godsil, Wynton Jackson, Brandon Turner, Zach Terrell, Brock Smith, and Dominic Bolden?

Im not necessarily saying that all of the guys that are Karcher recruits are not good necessarily. What I mean is that when you have a coaching change at the college level, you look at how they do once tehy are working with their own recruits (unless you don't last long enough at a position to get to that point).

First, about the defense. Last night, I was of the idea that if I was Jeff Barber, heads would be rolling immediately, or at the latest the end of the season. Then I realized, that this same team (minus a few key parts) was one of the top defenses in America last year scoring wise. What this shows me is that our opponents have done their homework, and found what our weaknesses are. The task for our coaches now is that they need to see that and make further adjustments. I know that sounds obvious but if it was so obvious, then it would have been fixed by now.

This stuff is just silly. The fact that you said you'd even consider firing coaches renders your opinion on this subject as one that is, well, unintelligent at best.

The point about firing coaches was something I thought of in the heat of emotion after another loss. I know that firing guys is not the best course of action having put more thought into it.

Second, Leadership. I know we have captains, but if you are named as a captain of a team, you are seen by your coaches and your peers as someone the rest of the team can look to for on the field guidance. The coaches can only do so much. The captaincy is not something to be taken lightly (Im not saying the players have necessarily but its part of my point).

Are you saying our captains aren't leaders? Have you ever seen this team other than the 60 minutes on the field? I'm serious. If you don't see Stevie Ray or Sene leading this team then you're watching some other team than the one I am.

Well I will grant you that point. You probably have more insight into these guys than I do since you see them more often.

This is something I think is a problem with Brock (I will go into further detail on him later), in that he has not really seemed to me like somebody that really takes charge in the huddle when things are going rough. he isn't what I would see as the first person out of the tunnel before a game to get ready. someone who takes the initiative to work with his backs and receivers on running routes and doing simple swing passes and screen plays.

Dumbest thing of your entire post. I don't even know what to say about it. This answers my question of have you ever seen anything not on the field. Brock is the one who's at the FOC more than most of the team. Brock was the one leading the off-season conditioning when guys were getting tired. These guys rally around Brock. Brock is their quarterback. They trust in Brock. You are so far off base with that section of your post it isn't even funny.

I may very well be. My point with that is the fact that I have not seen those sorts of things right in the heat of battle. Now I again reiterate that you probably see more of the intangibles than I do since you work around the football team more than I do, and the fact that Im with the band most of the time so I can only see but so much. I do still think that Brock has the talent to be probably one of the top QBs in the nation. He has shown in many games that he can really put some big numbers up on the stat sheet.

I look forward to being at the home games with the band the rest of the year playing the fight song in our rocking red shirts.

That part just made me laugh.

I hope your happy at least about the shirts. now we have the whole student side being red.