[Purple Haize]

I didn't play my sport at the same level as these guys, but if any of my coaches or parents ever heard me talk about "sharing a championship", I would have endured endless ridicule.

Yeah. That was interesting

[Cider Jim]

Kennesaw State is 8-2.

http://bigsouthsports.com/standings.asp ... andings=52

[Jonathan Carone]

Kennesaw State is 8-2.

http://bigsouthsports.com/standings.asp ... andings=52

Only five of them are division I wins.

[BJWilliams]

Ive said my piece about ths situation (and I do fall in line with Jon on making a coaching change regardless of the result on Thursday and making the playoffs or not) so HOPEFULLY (there should be no confusion on what Im saying now) I can stay out of this conversation and focus on this week

[Jonathan Carone]

[Purple Haize]

Ive said my piece about ths situation (and I do fall in line with Jon on making a coaching change regardless of the result on Thursday and making the playoffs or not) so HOPEFULLY (there should be no confusion on what Im saying now) I can stay out of this conversation and focus on this week

That makes no sense whatsoever

[Wvflame2013]

We've been having quite a few offensive line issues the past 3 years. I may get thrown under the bus for this but what if it is a strength and conditioning issue? And if so, maybe we need to go in a different direction. The way our line has manhandled the past few years shows the strength part is not so effective.

[Wvflame2013]

Liberty Football Week in Review

http://www.aseaofred.com/liberty-footba ... -southern/

Some of those player quotes are brutal.

What loser attitudes. there's the moral victory of at least being co-champions.

[rtb72]

Again, return on investment....it's not there. We can't live in 2014 forever, or for another season! O line stinks, but it did not allow 45 points! It was not all the Oline. I sat in the stands and saw missed assignments, huge holes in the D line, and just pitiful coverage on their reception corps. Don't even get me started on the d&*% arm tackling on kick offs and punts. They were handling us. One interception they had was a result of them physically TAKING the ball from our guy in the air after our guy caught it. One of their TD passes was just their receiver MANHANDLING our corner and taking it to the house...while we did nothing but hit our knees and slap the ground. We DID NOT show heart in that game. They did. A lot of that starts at the top and in the locker room. Sure...we have talent. I have said, Gill is a great recruiter, but what good is talent if you can't develop it? What good is it if you don't make game plans around the strengths of it? It makes for a lot of hoopla on signing day and a lot of head shaking on game day! As for Thursday....I really don't think there will be any surprises. As long as CC has been studying our game film from the very first part of the year....they pretty much know what we are bringing to the field.

[Jonathan Carone]

I also wonder how much of our lack of physicality is from not hitting in practice.

[thepostman]

PH are you sure you aren't sipping the kool aid??

[Dalegarz1]

by rtb72 » November 13th, 2016, 10:44 pm
Again, return on investment....it's not there. We can't live in 2014 forever, or for another season! O line stinks, but it did not allow 45 points! It was not all the Oline. I sat in the stands and saw missed assignments, huge holes in the D line, and just pitiful coverage on their reception corps. Don't even get me started on the d&*% arm tackling on kick offs and punts. They were handling us. One interception they had was a result of them physically TAKING the ball from our guy in the air after our guy caught it. One of their TD passes was just their receiver MANHANDLING our corner and taking it to the house...while we did nothing but hit our knees and slap the ground. We DID NOT show heart in that game. They did. A lot of that starts at the top and in the locker room. Sure...we have talent. I have said, Gill is a great recruiter, but what good is talent if you can't develop it? What good is it if you don't make game plans around the strengths of it? It makes for a lot of hoopla on signing day and a lot of head shaking on game day! As for Thursday....I really don't think there will be any surprises. As long as CC has been studying our game film from the very first part of the year....they pretty much know what we are bringing to the field.


That about says it all! Remember,only a fingertip allowed 2014 to happen.

[Cider Jim]

there's the moral victory of at least being co-champions.

Don't co-champions get RINGS, too?

[Purple Haize]

PH are you sure you aren't sipping the kool aid??

Ha. I was thinking the same thing. I had to check my mug!
No. As Potentate I have always tried to be level headed when others are going crazy. People are going crazy. I'm just saying let's look before we leap. There are a lot of positives to go with the negatives There are things I certainly wish I'd see. However, I'm not close enough to know if what I'm seeing in philosophical difference or something else. With other coaches it was easy to see them lost the locker room, didn't bring in talent or had embarrassed the University. That's not the case here

[Purple Haize]

by rtb72 » November 13th, 2016, 10:44 pm
Again, return on investment....it's not there. We can't live in 2014 forever, or for another season! O line stinks, but it did not allow 45 points! It was not all the Oline. I sat in the stands and saw missed assignments, huge holes in the D line, and just pitiful coverage on their reception corps. Don't even get me started on the d&*% arm tackling on kick offs and punts. They were handling us. One interception they had was a result of them physically TAKING the ball from our guy in the air after our guy caught it. One of their TD passes was just their receiver MANHANDLING our corner and taking it to the house...while we did nothing but hit our knees and slap the ground. We DID NOT show heart in that game. They did. A lot of that starts at the top and in the locker room. Sure...we have talent. I have said, Gill is a great recruiter, but what good is talent if you can't develop it? What good is it if you don't make game plans around the strengths of it? It makes for a lot of hoopla on signing day and a lot of head shaking on game day! As for Thursday....I really don't think there will be any surprises. As long as CC has been studying our game film from the very first part of the year....they pretty much know what we are bringing to the field.


That about says it all! Remember,only a fingertip allowed 2014 to happen.

Such a stupid statement.

[Jonathan Carone]

I'm just saying let's look before we leap. There are a lot of positives to go with the negatives There are things I certainly wish I'd see. However, I'm not close enough to know if what I'm seeing in philosophical difference or something else. With other coaches it was easy to see them lost the locker room, didn't bring in talent or had embarrassed the University. That's not the case here

I agree that there are positives. He represents the university as well as or better than any football coach we've ever had. How great of a person Turner Gill is influences how many Liberty fans view his coaching acumen. They confuse great guy with great coach.

In terms of philosophies, let's look at it objectively:

In five years, we've had three offensive coordinators and three offensive play callers (Gill, Stamn, Dailey) and our offense has never been great consistently.

Our offensive line has suffered from a poor recruiting strategy and bad coaching philosophy.

Our special teams, while improved this year year, were not great the years that Gill oversaw them. There was also this weird coaching philosophy that saw different coaches handle different aspects of special teams instead of one dedicated special teams coordinator. He gets credit for changing that this year.

Our defense has looked great at times but has consistently struggled tackling and against the option.

We are often the less physical team on the field.

Quarterbacks have not gotten better and it could be argued they have regressed under this staff.

The desire for a new coach is not based on anything related to Coach Gill as a man. It has everything to do with him not being good enough at being a head football coach. At some point we have to separate the two and look at it objectively. He's a great Christian and someone I'm proud to have represent our school, but his results in his job have not been up to par and I see no evidence of that changing.

[ballcoach15]

Again, return on investment....it's not there. We can't live in 2014 forever, or for another season! O line stinks, but it did not allow 45 points! It was not all the Oline. I sat in the stands and saw missed assignments, huge holes in the D line, and just pitiful coverage on their reception corps. Don't even get me started on the d&*% arm tackling on kick offs and punts. They were handling us. One interception they had was a result of them physically TAKING the ball from our guy in the air after our guy caught it. One of their TD passes was just their receiver MANHANDLING our corner and taking it to the house...while we did nothing but hit our knees and slap the ground. We DID NOT show heart in that game. They did. A lot of that starts at the top and in the locker room. Sure...we have talent. I have said, Gill is a great recruiter, but what good is talent if you can't develop it? What good is it if you don't make game plans around the strengths of it? It makes for a lot of hoopla on signing day and a lot of head shaking on game day! As for Thursday....I really don't think there will be any surprises. As long as CC has been studying our game film from the very first part of the year....they pretty much know what we are bringing to the field.

It looked from the start of game, that we did "not come to play". CSU had a better game plan.

[Purple Haize]

I'm with you on the Offense. I don't think we have an offensive identity. I'm not sure why that is. 3 OC's in 5 years is some of it
The O Line I agree with
I don't think I have ever said that being a good school representative outweighs being a good coach.

[Jonathan Carone]

I don't think I have ever said that being a good school representative outweighs being a good coach.

I know you haven't, but many in our fan base view him that way. They love the "to God be the glory" press conferences and view things through the Bible school lens.

[Jonathan Carone]

I'm with you on the Offense. I don't think we have an offensive identity. I'm not sure why that is. 3 OC's in 5 years is some of it
The O Line I agree with

Legit question: if after five years you still question his coaching decisions and philosophies on the side of the ball he knows best, what makes you think it'll be any better or any different over the next five? Is five years not a large enough sample size?

[Dalegarz1]

At the risk of making another "stupid statement" a true debate can only happen if you start from the same premise and reach different conclusions. Many of you have pointed that out indirectly. If the premise is to have winning seasons and be competitive in the conference then there is no reason yet to dismiss TG. However, if the premise is that we (starting with Jerry Sr) should strive for excellence and make progress towards being a national power, then the sample size is certainly large enough to warrant the conclusion that a coaching change should be made.

[Jonathan Carone]

At the risk of making another "stupid statement" a true debate can only happen if you start from the same premise and reach different conclusions. Many of you have pointed that out indirectly. If the premise is to have winning seasons and be competitive in the conference then there is no reason yet to dismiss TG. However, if the premise is that we (starting with Jerry Sr) should strive for excellence and make progress towards being a national power, then the sample size is certainly large enough to warrant the conclusion that a coaching change should be made.

My standard is Jeff Barber's stated goal to be a top 20 program consistently in the playoffs.

[Purple Haize]

I'm with you on the Offense. I don't think we have an offensive identity. I'm not sure why that is. 3 OC's in 5 years is some of it
The O Line I agree with

Legit question: if after five years you still question his coaching decisions and philosophies on the side of the ball he knows best, what makes you think it'll be any better or any different over the next five? Is five years not a large enough sample size?

Part of it is that he is not calling the plays. Part of it is that he's had 3 OC's for various reasons. I would be interested to see how Calvert does with an offseason under his belt. Let's see if there was more to the playbook. I think next year is the year to make decisions

[Jonathan Carone]

I'm with you on the Offense. I don't think we have an offensive identity. I'm not sure why that is. 3 OC's in 5 years is some of it
The O Line I agree with

Legit question: if after five years you still question his coaching decisions and philosophies on the side of the ball he knows best, what makes you think it'll be any better or any different over the next five? Is five years not a large enough sample size?

Part of it is that he is not calling the plays. Part of it is that he's had 3 OC's for various reasons. I would be interested to see how Calvert does with an offseason under his belt. Let's see if there was more to the playbook. I think next year is the year to make decisions

Way too early prediction: Chadwell leaves CSU and we win the league next year regardless of how good/bad we are or who is coaching.

[thepostman]

PH are you sure you aren't sipping the kool aid??

Ha. I was thinking the same thing. I had to check my mug!
No. As Potentate I have always tried to be level headed when others are going crazy. People are going crazy. I'm just saying let's look before we leap. There are a lot of positives to go with the negatives There are things I certainly wish I'd see. However, I'm not close enough to know if what I'm seeing in philosophical difference or something else. With other coaches it was easy to see them lost the locker room, didn't bring in talent or had embarrassed the University. That's not the case here

Whatever. You're the new beej