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By jcmanson
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Thanks Jdub, hopefully that's the case.
By paradox
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#103517
Palko was a big-time QB on a bad team at Pitt. He could beat you single-handedly if he wasn't the primary focus of your defense. All the RB's at Pitt average 4.5-5.0 yards per carry with Tyler taking snaps.

I'm glad that we landed Jennings, but not at the expense of playing him in front of Zach. I'd like to avoid another potential Gado situation, if ya know what I mean...


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By RagingTireFire
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paradox wrote:He could beat you single-handedly if he wasn't the primary focus of your defense.
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So he was throwing the ball to himself? While also blocking for himself? Occasionally, he handed the ball of to a grateful back instead of running the ball himself? You see where this is going don't you?
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By SuperJon
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#103519
Gado situation? He was our third best back. We had two guys better than him. His time in the NFL is great, but we had two running backs who were better.
By paradox
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#103522
Gado, the third best :lol: :lol: :lol:

That situation was embarrassing, friends. We couldn't even win a D1 game and a player who ended up in the NFL was on the bench and had to wait for a couple of guys to get hurt. That's pathetic.

If it happens again, it will be beyond embarassing.



Based on the evidence from the gridiron, Zach is the better back.


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By SuperJon
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You are the only person that can't admit that we had two better backs. One shattered his ankle, and one was just better. We didn't lose games because of talent. We lost games because of an inept head coach.
By paradox
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RagingTireFire wrote:
paradox wrote:He could beat you single-handedly if he wasn't the primary focus of your defense.
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So he was throwing the ball to himself? While also blocking for himself? Occasionally, he handed the ball of to a grateful back instead of running the ball himself? You see where this is going don't you?


I'm not going to argue about Pitt with a couple of blockheads who never saw Pitt or Palko play :lol:

I'll let you have your fantasy on that one :lol:


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By paradox
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SuperJon wrote:You are the only person that can't admit that we had two better backs. One shattered his ankle, and one was just better. We didn't lose games because of talent. We lost games because of an inept head coach.

..an inept coach who had an NFL talent on his bench.

It's absurd to maintain that there were two backs better than Gado, after the fact. You may have thought that prior to Gado's NFL debut, but there is no reason to defend that now. It's completely absurd, the guy's an NFL talent.

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By SuperJon
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#103529
At the time, while in college, he was the third best back on the team.
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By JDUB
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first, let me say that I was not here to witness the era you're talking about, so this is purely speculation.
is it possible that maybe Gado wasn't that great in college and developed once he got into the NFL? I mean, MJ didn't even make the BBAll team in highschool one time, many times a player just has not developed into their full potential until later.
Maybe Gado was good enough in college, like i said i wasn't here to witness it, but i'm just saying there's a chance he really wasn't that good in college and got good later
By shukcb04
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paradox wrote:Gado, the third best :lol: :lol: :lol:

That situation was embarrassing, friends. We couldn't even win a D1 game and a player who ended up in the NFL was on the bench and had to wait for a couple of guys to get hurt. That's pathetic.

If it happens again, it will be beyond embarassing.



Based on the evidence from the gridiron, Zach is the better back.


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you can't measure how good a player is based on what he's done in the NFL. ron dayne was one heck of a running back in college, but he didn't do squat as a pro. rueben droughns has had more success in the NFL than dayne, but he doesn't even come close to dayne in the college ranks.
By paradox
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OK then, for sake of argument, we'll have it your way.

So, what happens to our football reputation, if we put another back up RB in the pros?

Like it or not, we were critisized for not recognizing Sam's pontential. Can we afford to do it again?


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By SuperJon
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#103537
Willie Parker never played at UNC and look at where he is now. Some people just don't fit in in some situations.
By shukcb04
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paradox wrote:OK then, for sake of argument, we'll have it your way.

So, what happens to our football reputation, if we put another back up RB in the pros?

Like it or not, we were critisized for not recognizing Sam's pontential. Can we afford to do it again?


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and since when does the media and fans run a football team? and this is exactly why I prefer D3 over D1 lol
By shukcb04
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SuperJon wrote:Willie Parker never played at UNC and look at where he is now. Some people just don't fit in in some situations.
even better than my example! good find.
By SuperJon
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#103541
I'm a Carolina fan. I'm from NC. Yea, we knew about Willie Parker.
By paradox
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shukcb04 wrote:
paradox wrote:Gado, the third best :lol: :lol: :lol:

That situation was embarrassing, friends. We couldn't even win a D1 game and a player who ended up in the NFL was on the bench and had to wait for a couple of guys to get hurt. That's pathetic.

If it happens again, it will be beyond embarassing.



Based on the evidence from the gridiron, Zach is the better back.


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you can't measure how good a player is based on what he's done in the NFL. ron dayne was one heck of a running back in college, but he didn't do squat as a pro. rueben droughns has had more success in the NFL than dayne, but he doesn't even come close to dayne in the college ranks.


Actually, you have it backwards.

Can you name a single NFL RB that was good enough to start 8 games during his rookie season, but wasn't good enough to start the prior fall in college, and the player or players starting ahead of him didn't make the NFL??? Hmmmm. Only one name emerges: Sam Gado.........

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By SuperJon
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#103543
Was he "good enough" or was he in the right place at the right time? He was what, 3rd string? The first two guys got hurt. He took advantage of a great opportunity.
By shukcb04
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paradox wrote:
shukcb04 wrote:
paradox wrote:Gado, the third best :lol: :lol: :lol:

That situation was embarrassing, friends. We couldn't even win a D1 game and a player who ended up in the NFL was on the bench and had to wait for a couple of guys to get hurt. That's pathetic.

If it happens again, it will be beyond embarassing.



Based on the evidence from the gridiron, Zach is the better back.


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you can't measure how good a player is based on what he's done in the NFL. ron dayne was one heck of a running back in college, but he didn't do squat as a pro. rueben droughns has had more success in the NFL than dayne, but he doesn't even come close to dayne in the college ranks.


Actually, you have it backwards.

Can you name a single NFL RB that was good enough to start 8 games during his rookie season, but wasn't good enough to start the prior fall in college, and the player or players starting ahead of him didn't make the NFL??? Hmmmm. Only one name emerges: Sam Gado.........

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he only got PT because of injuries, do the research.
By paradox
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#103546
Ok then, Willie Parker is in the same boat, but this is an embaressment for the UNC football program. Just like Gado was for us.

My point is that if we do it again in the same decade, then we'll start to get a reputation for that sort of thing.


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By shukcb04
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#103547
if a player can't prove himself until others get injured, then he needs to become a better practice player so he can earn the time.
By paradox
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SuperJon wrote:Was he "good enough" or was he in the right place at the right time? He was what, 3rd string? The first two guys got hurt. He took advantage of a great opportunity.
This doesn't even make sense. Gado was on the Chiefs roster earlier in the year and after he was released, he signed with Green Bay. The guy was good enough to make those teams and he still plays with the Texans.

Where are the two guys that started ahead of him??? :lol:

This is getting ridiculous
By paradox
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#103550
My point: Zach Terrell is the better back and should be getting the majority of the carries, regardless of what happens to Jennings.

Anyone care to dispute that one :lol:



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By El Scorcho
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shukcb04 wrote:if a player can't prove himself until others get injured, then he needs to become a better practice player so he can earn the time.
That sounds nice, but what do you do when the first and second string guys are on nearly the same level of talent? What happens when a team gets lucky to have to great players in the same position?

Ex: Joe Montana & Steve Young
By shukcb04
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you guys ahve lost your freaking mind. you do realize that the only reason gado even got any PT at all in college and the NFL is because of injury. he couldn't do a good enough job in practice to prove himself capable of getting Pt until the people ranked better than him got injured. he had to wait for others to ALLOW him to prove himself because he obviously hadn't done anything on his own to deserve a chance to prove himself. if he had done something to deserve a chance to prove himself then he would have gotten that chance somewhere along the line. but no, in college and the nfl he had to wait until he was dang near the last option to prove himself. basically, everyone ranked better than him went down and couldn't play and the coach goes to him and essentially says "well looks like I have to play you now."
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