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By thepostman
#102598
It seemed to me any time Brock has a bad game last year it wasn't always completely his fault....he would throw some good passes and they would simply not be caught....even some of those long balls...some of them were overthrown...but it seemed that more times they not the receivers weren't hustling down the sideline like they should be....

Brock more times then not throws the right pass...but it seemed last year that more times then not the receivers would drop the balls thrown right at the number....which is of course is inexcusable....
By paradox
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#102599
thepostman wrote:It seemed to me any time Brock has a bad game last year it wasn't always completely his fault....he would throw some good passes and they would simply not be caught....even some of those long balls...some of them were overthrown...but it seemed that more times they not the receivers weren't hustling down the sideline like they should be....

Brock more times then not throws the right pass...but it seemed last year that more times then not the receivers would drop the balls thrown right at the number....which is of course is inexcusable....



We really can't have it both ways.


Either Brock was at fault and needs to step it up this year or he needs receiver help and someone like Summers or another newcomer can actaully help us this year.

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By SuperJon
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#102600
thepostman wrote:It seemed to me any time Brock has a bad game last year it wasn't always completely his fault....he would throw some good passes and they would simply not be caught....even some of those long balls...some of them were overthrown...but it seemed that more times they not the receivers weren't hustling down the sideline like they should be....

Brock more times then not throws the right pass...but it seemed last year that more times then not the receivers would drop the balls thrown right at the number....which is of course is inexcusable....
Dude, post 2000 for you. Congrats.
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By PeterParker
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#102602
SuperJon wrote: You get dumber as you post. Let's see, on my list of top 7 there are 2 seniors, 4 juniors, and a redshirt freshman. They are all light years ahead of Summers simply because of one man: Bill Gillespie. A kid could have all the talent in the world, and not be ready to contribute. That's why seniors are generally better than freshmen. Summers has to mature physically. For example, going into the 2006 season, there were 6-7 guys that made it through "Basic Training" (the conditioning test done before spring practice). This year there were 63. That shows the difference a strength coach makes.

SJ, is it me or does it seem that the team is utilizing the Gillespie connection much better these last 18 months moreso in the previous "regime." It almost seems like Rocco has tapped into that resource and made it a priority for the guys, whereas, and I might be off here, under the previous regime perhaps it wasn't stressed as much by the previous head leadership?

It just seems that the team is pumped to be in the weight room now, with the Youtube videos and all. (I'm sure the new digs had something to do with it; but with that many passing the BT this time as opposed to before it just seems that the priority on the weight room prior to Rocco's arrival may have been less stressed.)
By thepostman
#102603
Thanks man...I didn't even realize it until you said something......my post count has been slowing i think though
paradox wrote:
thepostman wrote:It seemed to me any time Brock has a bad game last year it wasn't always completely his fault....he would throw some good passes and they would simply not be caught....even some of those long balls...some of them were overthrown...but it seemed that more times they not the receivers weren't hustling down the sideline like they should be....

Brock more times then not throws the right pass...but it seemed last year that more times then not the receivers would drop the balls thrown right at the number....which is of course is inexcusable....



We really can't have it both ways.


Either Brock was at fault and needs to step it up this year or he needs receiver help and someone like Summers or another newcomer can actaully help us this year.

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both ways?? what in the world are you talking about?? I am saying the games where he had a "bad game"....aka poor numbers...it seemed more times then not it was more on the receivers then on Brock himself....that is what I was trying to say...I wasn't trying to have anything both ways...
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By JDUB
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#102606
dox, just cause the coach thinks the kid is talented doesn't mean the coach is gonna start him. it means he has POTENTIAL. and players with potential get red shirted so they can better fulfill that potential.
Brock didn't have a perfect year last year, but like it was previously mentioned, it isn't all his fault. all he can do is throw it, someone else has to catch it. Oh, and by the way, that person cant catch it if he is a toothpick and gets crippled at the line of scrimmage by a DB. so much for your man summers.
I have also watched practice, and we will be fine with the receivers we have. I'm not sure who your sources are, but i think you must be mis-interpreting what they are saying.
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By RagingTireFire
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#102610
Knucklehead wrote:I think were having a battle of those who are too close to the program vs those who are more on the outside.
Jealous.
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By RagingTireFire
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#102612
paradox wrote: Trust me, the fact that you were once in a cult, does not invalidate my statements in the least :wink:
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I was a Second Level Master Movementarian. What's it to ya?
By Stevev
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#102620
both ways?? what in the world are you talking about?? I am saying the games where he had a "bad game"....aka poor numbers...it seemed more times then not it was more on the receivers then on Brock himself....that is what I was trying to say...I wasn't trying to have anything both ways...

The Towson game (Which I was in attendance) is a perfect example of receivers either dropping the ball after a perfectly thrown pass (Jackson) or making minimal effort to get to the ball (Boulden). I think that there was 5 dropped balls and 3 woulld have been TD's. I think that the William and Mary game was an example of lack of effort at times. Some of it was on the QB as his passes were a little off at times but you have got to make the catch under those circumstances. As far as Summers is concerned I would say wait till next year, get on strength training program, practice with the team and next year the starting job would be his most likely. This year he would some competition but if he is that much better than Turner, Jackson, or Boulden, then he should play this year. I all depends on how the top three guys perform.
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By flameshaw
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#102624
Pair-of-sox,

How's the underwater basket weaving team doing? I am sure you might be very knowledgeable in that area.
By Knucklehead
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#102626
RagingTireFire wrote:
Knucklehead wrote:I think were having a battle of those who are too close to the program vs those who are more on the outside.
Jealous.
Not jealous at all, but I would say that as an outsider I am beginning to get a bit sick of the insiders and their "Great Insider Knowledge". Let's face it unless one of you is an assistant coach, you really don't KNOW anymore than the rest of us. So stop pretending that going to practice or hjaving a conversation with a manager or secretary for 30 seconds makes you "in the know". There I got that off my chest. If anyone wants to post inside info, I feel they should be required to post their source. Otherwise its just babble! :blahblah

How to make friends and influence people by Knucklehead.
By paradox
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#102628
JDUB wrote:dox, just cause the coach thinks the kid is talented doesn't mean the coach is gonna start him. it means he has POTENTIAL. and players with potential get red shirted so they can better fulfill that potential.
Brock didn't have a perfect year last year, but like it was previously mentioned, it isn't all his fault. all he can do is throw it, someone else has to catch it. Oh, and by the way, that person cant catch it if he is a toothpick and gets crippled at the line of scrimmage by a DB. so much for your man summers.
I have also watched practice, and we will be fine with the receivers we have. I'm not sure who your sources are, but i think you must be mis-interpreting what they are saying.

I don't worry about a player's stature in the sense that it applies to a player like Summers.

A couple of decades ago UVA turned their football program around with a 6-6 "toothpick" reciever, named Herman Moore. I'm more concerned about whether he can run and catch, especially jump balls in the red zone. I understand that Summers is also gifted with deceptive speed and quickness. So, please, forgive me, for being "too anxious" to see him on the field this year under real game conditions.

Personally, I have nothing against a year of conditioning, and I'm sure that it will only add to his game in the end.

Also, I have nothing against going with two seniors this year, if that puts us in the best position to win, then that's what we should do.

I want to clear one thing up, I'm not trying to start a Brock-Controversay on this thread. I was just thinking out load when I suggested that Summers and someone like Mike Brown could could concievably build a great deal on chemistry practicing together as redshirts. It would be a nice back-up plan for the future, even if Brock does well this year and next year. Brown to Summers may have to wait until '09---unless Brock falls apart this year. Ideally, I'm pulling for Brock Smith to have a real break-out season in '07 and lead this team to 9 wins and the playoffs.

Lastly, JC, you're right most of the time, and your as relaible as anyone on this board.

You convinced me that I was incorrect about Summers playing this year. The only big area that we seem to disagree on is where he'd be on the depth chart, if redshirts didn't exist. If Rocco's already decided to shirt him, then I doubt that we'd see the competitor/fighter side of Summers in practice this summer. I guess, we'll have to wait a year or so to find out.

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By LUconn
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#102629
Knucklehead wrote:
RagingTireFire wrote:
Knucklehead wrote:I think were having a battle of those who are too close to the program vs those who are more on the outside.
Jealous.
Not jealous at all, but I would say that as an outsider I am beginning to get a bit sick of the insiders and their "Great Insider Knowledge". Let's face it unless one of you is an assistant coach, you really don't KNOW anymore than the rest of us. So stop pretending that going to practice or hjaving a conversation with a manager or secretary for 30 seconds makes you "in the know". There I got that off my chest. If anyone wants to post inside info, I feel they should be required to post their source. Otherwise its just babble! :blahblah

How to make friends and influence people by Knucklehead.
I disagree. I do think that a lot of stuff I see on here is :BS from the equipment manager or somebody. But if somebody got something from Rocco himself, they wouldn't want to say that. Or else they may never hear anything again. You just have to know not to believe everything you read on here.
By paradox
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#102630
flameshaw wrote:Pair-of-sox,

How's the underwater basket weaving team doing? I am sure you might be very knowledgeable in that area.

Hey, aren't you the one who posted and speculated on a women's coach coming in to coach our men's team :shock: :shock: :shock:

Sorry that I called ya on that one. I guess that you're never gonna get over it :lol: :lol: :lol:

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By Knucklehead
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#102631
I understant that, that's why I say if you can't reveal your source than don't report it as fact. If you want to report it as speculation or opinion then fine.
I just hate comments like: "I got it from good sources that _____ will happen. I can't reveal my sources, but wait and see." That stinks. Don't post it!
By paradox
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#102633
C'mon, the guy said that he was a "Second Level Master Movementarian."

He's probally only joking about have lunch with A.L. Williams :lol:



I agree with you, though. Most of this is 100% speculation and at times it gets passed off as something else. Truth is that no one knows why Rocco does what he does, and as long as he's successful, no one is going to care.


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By jcmanson
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#102634
paradox wrote:
JDUB wrote:dox, just cause the coach thinks the kid is talented doesn't mean the coach is gonna start him. it means he has POTENTIAL. and players with potential get red shirted so they can better fulfill that potential.
Brock didn't have a perfect year last year, but like it was previously mentioned, it isn't all his fault. all he can do is throw it, someone else has to catch it. Oh, and by the way, that person cant catch it if he is a toothpick and gets crippled at the line of scrimmage by a DB. so much for your man summers.
I have also watched practice, and we will be fine with the receivers we have. I'm not sure who your sources are, but i think you must be mis-interpreting what they are saying.

Lastly, JC, you're right most of the time, and your as relaible as anyone on this board.

You convinced me that I was incorrect about Summers playing this year. The only big area that we seem to disagree on is where he'd be on the depth chart, if redshirts didn't exist. If Rocco's already decided to shirt him, then I doubt that we'd see the competitor/fighter side of Summers in practice this summer. I guess, we'll have to wait a year or so to find out.

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I'm at work, so I don't have enough time to respond to this whole thread, but I will this afternoon/evening. There are several things I would like to respond to.

First of all, dox, I would not call myself as reliable as anyone on this board, but thank you anyway. :wink: I'm just a fan, and I give my opinion on what I see and hear. I'm not an insider by any means. I'm glad I get someone's approval though.
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By RagingTireFire
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#102638
Knucklehead wrote:
RagingTireFire wrote:
Knucklehead wrote:I think were having a battle of those who are too close to the program vs those who are more on the outside.
Jealous.
Not jealous at all, but I would say that as an outsider I am beginning to get a bit sick of the insiders and their "Great Insider Knowledge". Let's face it unless one of you is an assistant coach, you really don't KNOW anymore than the rest of us. So stop pretending that going to practice or hjaving a conversation with a manager or secretary for 30 seconds makes you "in the know". There I got that off my chest. If anyone wants to post inside info, I feel they should be required to post their source. Otherwise its just babble! :blahblah

How to make friends and influence people by Knucklehead.
Yeah, you're jealous. You will never be allowed admittance to the Forbidden Barn.
By SuperJon
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#102640
Knucklehead wrote:I understant that, that's why I say if you can't reveal your source than don't report it as fact. If you want to report it as speculation or opinion then fine.
I just hate comments like: "I got it from good sources that _____ will happen. I can't reveal my sources, but wait and see." That stinks. Don't post it!
Everything I've posted in this thread comes from a pure observational standpoint, along with knowing what Coach Rocco has said in the papers and all of that. I have no inside knowledge whatsoever.
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By flameshaw
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#102643
paradox wrote:
flameshaw wrote:Pair-of-sox,

How's the underwater basket weaving team doing? I am sure you might be very knowledgeable in that area.

Hey, aren't you the one who posted and speculated on a women's coach coming in to coach our men's team :shock: :shock: :shock:

Sorry that I called ya on that one. I guess that you're never gonna get over it :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Wrong again sox, please post where I said that, didn't happen. I remember you "jumping" to that conclusion because I mentioned the former women's coach was at GW now with a former LU AD. What you didn't realize, that everyone else got, was that I was saying that if your former hero RD was really a good coach, why wouldn't he get some consideration for GW men's coach since there were LU people there who already knew RD. I didn't want to connect the dots there for you because you were already depressed enough over our "great loss", but thought you might figure it out yourself.

Hey I am sure you are a great guy and I look forward to meeting you and shaking your hand some day at a future tailgate. I agree with others that you have handled the dismissal of RD with class. Nothing personal, you should just stick to something you are knowegable about before posting. Now, how are the intramural games going in the old Ericsson building?
By Knucklehead
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#102651
SuperJon wrote:
Knucklehead wrote:I understant that, that's why I say if you can't reveal your source than don't report it as fact. If you want to report it as speculation or opinion then fine.
I just hate comments like: "I got it from good sources that _____ will happen. I can't reveal my sources, but wait and see." That stinks. Don't post it!
Everything I've posted in this thread comes from a pure observational standpoint, along with knowing what Coach Rocco has said in the papers and all of that. I have no inside knowledge whatsoever.
So stop reporting it as fact.
By LUconn
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#102653
here's an easy distinction:

newspaper article = fact

messageboard = speculation
By paradox
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#102656
:lol: :lol: :lol: I knew I'd get ya on that one. I'm sorry, but the girl-coach thing is gonna have may have to stick, at least until, you can get over it... LOL


You'll just have to get over the RD thing at some point. So, I defended the guy for a couple of months because I wanted him to see it through. That's all, it was never personal. I'll take McKay and his staff any day over a Dunton or a Meyer-level staff.


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By SuperJon
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#102657
Exactly. I report it as my opinion, something that I feel strongly about. If you can't report your opinion in a confident, factual manner, you shouldn't express it. I take what coaches have said in interviews, mix it together with what I've seen with my own two eyes, and "report" on it. This isn't a news station. This is a message board, a place where people express their opinions.
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By flameshaw
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#102663
paradox wrote::lol: :lol: :lol: I knew I'd get ya on that one. I'm sorry, but the girl-coach thing is gonna have may have to stick, at least until, you can get over it... LOL


You'll just have to get over the RD thing at some point. So, I defended the guy for a couple of months because I wanted him to see it through. That's all, it was never personal. I'll take McKay and his staff any day over a Dunton or a Meyer-level staff.


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