[SuperJon]

The Richmond player fumbled ball, LU recovered and would have had a TD had refs called it correctly. I talked with several who saw it on TV and said player's legs were still churning. The whistle had not blown play dead, thus it was a fumble. Refs covered their mistake by saying forward progress had stopped. if it had stopped, why no whistle. A couple years ago against Norfolk State, a LU player was stopped and on the ground. a NSU player picked up the ball and ran it back for a TD.
The 2 pass interference calls against LU were questionable calls, that should not have been called.

Whoever assigns the officials, always sends the worst crew available to Liberty.

The fumble call was crap.

The pass interference calls were both textbook.

[jcmanson]

The 2 pass interference calls against LU were questionable calls, that should not have been called.

Both were clearly pass interference.

[jcmanson]

Grading the team
http://www.libertyflamesnation.com/grad ... -week-6-2/

[bluejacket]

Grading the team
http://www.libertyflamesnation.com/grad ... -week-6-2/

Those are accurate grades.

We are simply not good enough in the fundamentals to win close games against quality teams.

[Humble_Opinion]

The pass interference calls were spot on. Our CB's never looked for the ball and clearly made contact with the WR's before the ball got there...

Below are my thoughts:

It's hilarious reading the in-game thread. A bunch of people crapping their pants and going all eeyore on the thread when the game was still in the 1st quarter. Many of you that did that are probably the same types that wouldn't stay with a game for 4 quarters. For the rest of us, including those that actually attended the game - it was awesome. Yeah, I was feeling down at halftime, but I've watched enough football (including LU games) to know that a 2 possession game at halftime is far from a game being over, and I'm proud of the way our team responded in the 3rd and 4th quarters (especially the offense). I know it sucks to watch us lose more close games than we win, but I just thought it was a great display of perseverance on the part of our guys. If they keep it up, I have faith that we will eventually see a flip of the script.

I thought this one of the best games I've seen Woodrum play yet. He looked comfortable out there throwing the ball and even more so running it. I hope we start to see the use of the option more in the future. The big letdown tonight was Shells' play. He had a perfect ball thrown to him and easily had 4 steps on the DB and he simply bobbled it. A similar play happened a few drives later on a skinny post down the middle that the DB made a play on, but should have still ended up for a big gain had the WR been a little more physical with the catch. For all the crap he's taken about his touch on the deep ball, Woodrum threw it well tonight.

On defense everyone knows we were short-handed at the LB spot, but I thought they held up okay. I was more annoyed at our CB's providing a near 10 yd cushion on virtually every play. When you are playing against a senior QB, you have to know he is going to have the discipline to take what we give him and that's what we got. They consistently moved the ball down the field in 6 - 8 yd chunks using simple out routes. I saw some complaints about the DL not getting pressure, but you can't expect them to when the ball is leaving the hand of the QB so quickly. I know we are a little smaller and younger at that spot, but if you are going to play cover 1 or 2, you should have your CB's press a little more to take away those shorter routes, so you force him to make more difficult plays and allow our front 4 (a strength for our team) more time to get after him.

[LUinPA]

I have to admit that I the loss doesn't sting as much as I thought it would. I think most of us were so ecstatic over the 60-yarder that we sort of expected the eventual result based on past experiences. Really proud of the way we gutted this one out and for the defense that managed to give us a chance to win even though they were exhausted and severely short-manned.

Much love to Lunsford. Dude was incredible tonight. That record-setter helped ease someof the pain of his blocked kick at last year's homecoming. Wish it would have all been in a winning effort.

For all those who missed this in person... After battling back the entire game, it all came down to this kick and the outcome was electrifying.

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Yes, I screamed like a girl! You would have too after all the emotional hype of the game!!!!!

NOT ASSHAMED!!!

[Dr. Sheh]

I have to admit that I the loss doesn't sting as much as I thought it would. I think most of us were so ecstatic over the 60-yarder that we sort of expected the eventual result based on past experiences. Really proud of the way we gutted this one out and for the defense that managed to give us a chance to win even though they were exhausted and severely short-manned.

Much love to Lunsford. Dude was incredible tonight. That record-setter helped ease someof the pain of his blocked kick at last year's homecoming. Wish it would have all been in a winning effort.

For all those who missed this in person... After battling back the entire game, it all came down to this kick and the outcome was electrifying.

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Yes, I screamed like a girl! You would have too after all the emotional hype of the game!!!!!

NOT ASHAMED!!!

I thought the atmosphere when the kick was made might have been the most electrifying single event I've witnessed at an LU football game. Random strangers were looking for someone to hug in the aisles! The only thing that can compare in my opinion was when we scored 28 points in the 4th quarter against VMI over a decade ago to erase a 28-3 deficit.

[Humble_Opinion]

The kick made it on ESPN's Top 10 plays from the day too.

http://www.liberty.edu/index.cfm?pid=18495&MID=131420

[Purple Haize]

Attendance was 20,838. I believe this is a Williams Stadium record.

Regardless of how many people were there or what the attendance record was I am confident it was a record crowd on Sat

[SuperJon]

I actually told people at halftime that if Richmond scored the first touchdown of the second half, I was leaving. Luckily it didn't happen, but at that point, I wouldn't have blamed anyone for leaving the game.

I'm just tired of us being average and I don't ever see us doing much more than that under Gill. Everyone I talked to over the weekend gave me more and more insight into the program and he simply doesn't run a good program. By all accounts he's a great dude and a man that deserves to be speaking into college students, but unfortunately he's not a good head coach.

[ballcoach15]

I agree with Humble Opinion's psot above that defense gave too much cushion. Should have manned up with WRs at LOS. Make QB hold ball a little longer.

[flamehunter]

The Richmond player fumbled ball, LU recovered and would have had a TD had refs called it correctly. I talked with several who saw it on TV and said player's legs were still churning. The whistle had not blown play dead, thus it was a fumble. Refs covered their mistake by saying forward progress had stopped. if it had stopped, why no whistle. A couple years ago against Norfolk State, a LU player was stopped and on the ground. a NSU player picked up the ball and ran it back for a TD.
The 2 pass interference calls against LU were questionable calls, that should not have been called.

Whoever assigns the officials, always sends the worst crew available to Liberty.

The pass interference calls were absolutely the right calls. I thought they were when I saw them live and the replays confirmed that.

[jcmanson]

Under Gill, we are 0-4 in games decided by 5 points or less and 3-8 in games decided by 10 points or less.

The 3 wins came against Concord, VMI, and Gardner-Webb.

[Dr. Sheh]

I actually told people at halftime that if Richmond scored the first touchdown of the second half, I was leaving. Luckily it didn't happen, but at that point, I wouldn't have blamed anyone for leaving the game.

I'm just tired of us being average and I don't ever see us doing much more than that under Gill. Everyone I talked to over the weekend gave me more and more insight into the program and he simply doesn't run a good program. By all accounts he's a great dude and a man that deserves to be speaking into college students, but unfortunately he's not a good head coach.

Interesting. Can you tell us a little bit more about some specifics in the bold part or do your sources preclude that? Understand if they do. I tend to agree that Gill is a good person but I am not confident he can ever take us to the next level at this point.

[bluejacket]

I'm just tired of us being average and I don't ever see us doing much more than that under Gill. Everyone I talked to over the weekend gave me more and more insight into the program and he simply doesn't run a good program. By all accounts he's a great dude and a man that deserves to be speaking into college students, but unfortunately he's not a good head coach.

I agree. Next season could be make or break depending on what happens.

[SuperJon]

I think this season could make or break it.

If we get beat by two scores or more against App, a game the athletic department is taking extremely serious, then that's not good.

If we drops a home game to a Big South opponent, that's not good.

If we finish 6-6, which at this point is a possibility, that's not good.

Jeff's attitude seems to have changed a little bit. I've never seen him on the sidelines chirping at the refs like he did on Saturday (which I loved seeing). I think he's tired of losing and doesn't like the step back we've taken. Now, does that mean he'd pull the trigger this year? I don't know. Having a mediocre football team is one more knock against us in terms of FBS aspirations and we can't afford even more reasons not to invite us.

[SuperJon]

I actually told people at halftime that if Richmond scored the first touchdown of the second half, I was leaving. Luckily it didn't happen, but at that point, I wouldn't have blamed anyone for leaving the game.

I'm just tired of us being average and I don't ever see us doing much more than that under Gill. Everyone I talked to over the weekend gave me more and more insight into the program and he simply doesn't run a good program. By all accounts he's a great dude and a man that deserves to be speaking into college students, but unfortunately he's not a good head coach.

Interesting. Can you tell us a little bit more about some specifics in the bold part or do your sources preclude that? Understand if they do. I tend to agree that Gill is a good person but I am not confident he can ever take us to the next level at this point.

Unfortunately I'm gonna pass for now. I hate to be that guy, but I like my friends talking to me when we see each other.

[forbidden]

You guys complain that Gill is not a good coach, you complained that Rocco couldn't win the big one, hell for that matter has any coach here won the big one. Answer is NO, period. In all my years playing and coaching, the one thing I've learned is that it's not ALL the coaches fault. Some things yes all things no. Do you blame Gill for shells dropping pass, do we praise gill for running the same jet sweeps with mash a instead of parker. You are down apparently at wr and rb so could you blame him for not putting Peter or Abner back on KOR. Something happens to one of them doing that then you would really never hear the end of it. Players have to be accountable to some degree, it's there job to find them. Everyone put back on KOR has been young and in first collegiate experiences, how will they ever know what do do if not given some opportunities to pass/fail.

agree we playing soft at times in secondary, but the PI calls were on a senior, is that Gills fault? As critical as i want to be I see teams we are playing do hv more experience than we do, and in saying that at some point we will be just as experienced.

My god we bring in a new coach and now you have to give him 3 yrs to bring in his players, get acclimated, players learn new offenses and or defenses. Then what happens when they lose close gms, will the cycle repeat itself again with this get rid of coach nonsense. The players are competing not being blown out a big sign that he hasn't lost this team, but they won't learn how to win a close game till they are in close gms.

PS. I'm typing on a phone but I'm sure someone will hv some smart remark.

[SuperJon]

You're a parent. You're not expected to have the same feelings we do.

[bluejacket]

I think this season could make or break it.

If we get beat by two scores or more against App, a game the athletic department is taking extremely serious, then that's not good.

If we drops a home game to a Big South opponent, that's not good.

If we finish 6-6, which at this point is a possibility, that's not good.

Jeff's attitude seems to have changed a little bit. I've never seen him on the sidelines chirping at the refs like he did on Saturday (which I loved seeing). I think he's tired of losing and doesn't like the step back we've taken. Now, does that mean he'd pull the trigger this year? I don't know. Having a mediocre football team is one more knock against us in terms of FBS aspirations and we can't afford even more reasons not to invite us.

Which one do you think that it is? To me, make or break means that if you don't meet the expected goals you get fired. I could be wrong, but I don't think that that is what you are saying.

I don't think that TG is in jeopardy this season (and I personally don't think that it would be wise to fire him after this season). If 6-6 happens, the coaches will be held accountable with the understanding that this was the one mulligan that they get based on what they have done so far. That said, I still think that they survive, even in that scenario. Anything worse record wise and who knows what happens.

[forbidden]

Parent or not, go back and look at my initial posts, ok yes I'm grateful he gave my kid an opportunity, but I'll be darned if I want to lose. If my kid isn't playing to his potential I'll be the first to get on him and say he's not doing his job, I've benched him in HS for it and the same rules would apply here, I play to win PERIOD. Make no mistake about it. I understand also how fickle fans can be also, and that is what I sense a lot around here. I'll be the first to criticize and also the first to praise, there are no cut cards here.

[SuperJon]

I think this season could break him in the terms of perception in the eyes of the fans and the department. That would lead to him having to meet super high expectations next year and, when he doesn't do that because he's a .500 coach, he'll be released from his contract.

[SuperJon]

I play to win PERIOD.

Then, under Gill, that'll happen 50-60% of the time.

Again, great dude. Not a great head coach for the place our program is.

[Purple Haize]

I play to win PERIOD.

Then, under Gill, that'll happen 50-60% of the time.

Again, great dude. Not a great head coach for the place our program is.

I'm docking you points. If you have something to say, say it.
You can give more specifics as to why you don't feel he's a good HC without giving sources away.
Is it his organizational skills?
Is he too hands on? Hands off?
Game management skills?
Recruiting?

Lots of room to discuss without outing sources. A good member can do that.

FORBIDDEN- here is my smart remark. You always blame your phone. Does your phone have a different keyboard than the rest of the world. But your last 2 posts were much more readable.

[Humble_Opinion]

For the record, I had no issues reading forbidden's message. Also, I agree with BYD on the grammar stuff, but what else do you expect from a professor?

You guys complain that Gill is not a good coach, you complained that Rocco couldn't win the big one, hell for that matter has any coach here won the big one. Answer is NO, period.

Agree with you here... I will say that I think the Stonybrook win was pretty epic, but the Coastal loss last year was equally as epic on the other side of the spectrum.

agree we playing soft at times in secondary, but the PI calls were on a senior, is that Gills fault? As critical as i want to be I see teams we are playing do hv more experience than we do, and in saying that at some point we will be just as experienced.

We didn't play soft "at times" in the secondary... we played that way almost the whole game. I have to believe that one is on the HC/Def Coord. In my opinion, it's better to let your young CB's challenge their WR's at the LOS and lean more on your Safeties (a strength for us), while hoping your DL (another strength for us) gets after the QB, than it is to play soft and let them eat you alive with short passes.

I understand also how fickle fans can be also, and that is what I sense a lot around here. I'll be the first to criticize and also the first to praise, there are no cut cards here.

I would say we have some fickle fans for sure...