[Chris Lang]

I sure as heck didn't vote for SHSU or Furman this week. I'll defend my Chattanooga vote by saying I think the Mocs will win the SoCon, and that they've lost two tight games to Central Michigan, which rocked Purdue on the road, and to Jacksonville State, which will probably win the OVC. Chatty loses again, they sink like a rock. (And I know CMU got killed by Syracuse, but they apparently were missing the running back who did all of the damage against Purdon't.)

[bluejacket]

I sure as heck didn't vote for SHSU or Furman this week. I'll defend my Chattanooga vote by saying I think the Mocs will win the SoCon, and that they've lost two tight games to Central Michigan, which rocked Purdue on the road, and to Jacksonville State, which will probably win the OVC. Chatty loses again, they sink like a rock. (And I know CMU got killed by Syracuse, but they apparently were missing the running back who did all of the damage against Purdon't.)

I'll just respectfully disagree about Chattanooga at #10.

[BJWilliams]

I dropped UTC out of my ballot (I vote on the AGS poll) after their loss to Jacksonville State mostly because they, like Liberty, lack a signature win, and they had two opportunities in back to back weeks to get that win, and choked both away (much like Liberty has done over the years).

[C4CFlame17]

I sure as heck didn't vote for SHSU or Furman this week. I'll defend my Chattanooga vote by saying I think the Mocs will win the SoCon, and that they've lost two tight games to Central Michigan, which rocked Purdue on the road, and to [*]Jacksonville State, which will probably win the OVC. Chatty loses again, they sink like a rock. (And I know CMU got killed by Syracuse, but they apparently were missing the running back who did all of the damage against Purdon't.)

Hey now Eastern Kentucky might have something to say about that on what will probably be a chilly afternoon in the Bluegrass.

[Purple Haize]

I dropped UTC out of my ballot (I vote on the AGS poll) after their loss to Jacksonville State mostly because they, like Liberty, lack a siggnature win, and they had two opportunities in back to back weeks to get that win, and choked both away (much like Liberty has done over the years).

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[BJWilliams]

this is about the FCS polls so being part of the voting bloc for one of the oft referenced rankings (in this case the AGS poll) I thought it was worth mentioning. I think that was more relevant to the topic at hand than my referencing some post on there as I did in the game preview. NOW...if you want to get your panties in a wad over it,that's your prerogative, but in this case I think it at least had a place

[Purple Haize]

Who says I even wear under wear let alone panties?

[BJWilliams]

While that an image NO ONE wanted to envision...that isn't the point. Though I agree that it is not necessary or germane to discussions here to mention any commentary on another message board, I was not doing that. I was expressing my personal methodology (or some part of it) in voting in one of the rankings (albeit not the one that leads to news releases on on the athletics website) that is posted as part of the discussion

[Purple Haize]

While that an image NO ONE wanted to envision...that isn't the point. Though I agree that it is not necessary or germane to discussions here to mention any commentary on another message board, I was not doing that. I was expressing my personal methodology (or some part of it) in voting in one of the rankings (albeit not the one that leads to news releases on on the athletics website) that is posted as part of the discussion

Exactly. You might as well say you voted on the Americas Got Talent Poll

And ATrain may like that image. I don't think you can speak for every body.

[ATrain]

While that an image NO ONE wanted to envision...that isn't the point. Though I agree that it is not necessary or germane to discussions here to mention any commentary on another message board, I was not doing that. I was expressing my personal methodology (or some part of it) in voting in one of the rankings (albeit not the one that leads to news releases on on the athletics website) that is posted as part of the discussion

Exactly. You might as well say you voted on the Americas Got Talent Poll

And ATrain may like that image. I don't think you can speak for every body.

Actually I don't like that image. He can speak for everyone on this board. Though according to you, there are some friends of mine down here in Dallas that would.

As for Sam Houston being in the top 25 after losing to a D-II, what in the world are people thinking? Or are they even thinking?

[Chris Lang]

I sure as heck didn't vote for SHSU or Furman this week. I'll defend my Chattanooga vote by saying I think the Mocs will win the SoCon, and that they've lost two tight games to Central Michigan, which rocked Purdue on the road, and to Jacksonville State, which will probably win the OVC. Chatty loses again, they sink like a rock. (And I know CMU got killed by Syracuse, but they apparently were missing the running back who did all of the damage against Purdon't.)

I'll just respectfully disagree about Chattanooga at #10.

That's fair. I probably do have them too high. Probably should be closer to 15-18 than 10.

[BJWilliams]

UTC may have played both those games close, but they still lost and are 1-2 with their only win coming against one of the worst teams in this subdivision.

[Chris Lang]

Your point? I still think they're one of the top 20 teams in the subdivision. That's why I'm voting them there. I don't care about the record.

[Purple Haize]

While that an image NO ONE wanted to envision...that isn't the point. Though I agree that it is not necessary or germane to discussions here to mention any commentary on another message board, I was not doing that. I was expressing my personal methodology (or some part of it) in voting in one of the rankings (albeit not the one that leads to news releases on on the athletics website) that is posted as part of the discussion

Exactly. You might as well say you voted on the Americas Got Talent Poll

And ATrain may like that image. I don't think you can speak for every body.

Actually I don't like that image. He can speak for everyone on this board. Though according to you, there are some friends of mine down here in Dallas that would.

As for Sam Houston being in the top 25 after losing to a D-II, what in the world are people thinking? Or are they even thinking?

Were they asking about me?

[BJWilliams]

Ive been pretty rough on UTC over the years. Last year was their first season with 8 wins in quite a while, and a team that is supposed to be one of the top in the subdivision choked away their first playoff bid and outright conference title since 1984. The expectations have been pretty high and they haven't met them (in my view). Next week they get a chance to take a step in the right direction by exacting some payback on the team that cost them that playoff berth last year in Samford. The SoCon is down this year and if they can't win outright in a year like this, I wonder if they ever will.

[Purple Haize]

Ive been pretty rough on UTC over the years. Last year was their first season with 8 wins in quite a while, and a team that is supposed to be one of the top in the subdivision choked away their first playoff bid and outright conference title since 1984. The expectations have been pretty high and they haven't met them (in my view). Next week they get a chance to take a step in the right direction by exacting some payback on the team that cost them that playoff berth last year in Samford. The SoCon is down this year and if they can't win outright in a year like this, I wonder if they ever will.

Almost sounds like you are describing LU

[bluejacket]

Your point? I still think they're one of the top 20 teams in the subdivision. That's why I'm voting them there. I don't care about the record.

I think that they will be by the end of the season.

[BJWilliams]

In a way I am describing them as well PH. Many of the shortcomings I've seen in the Mocs I have seen in Liberty as well. you have two teams who have not lived up to expectations and their rankings (or lack thereof) are reflective of that. Liberty took a step in the right direction with the NSU win two weeks ago. this week, with Bryant's success is another step to that end. UTC has a bye then as I noted they get Samford. Liberty gets on a roll, they could be solidly in the upper half of the rankings come conference play

[TH Spangler]

1. North Dakota State Bison (150) ................... 4-0 3966 1
2. Eastern Washington Eagles (9) ................. 3-1 3819 2
3. Coastal Carolina Chanticleers ............... 4-0 3405 5
4. New Hampshire Wildcats ......................... 2-1 3292 7
5. McNeese State Cowboys .......................... 1-1 3207 6
6. Villanova Wildcats ................................... 2-1 3180 8
7. Montana Grizzlies .................................... 2-2 3008 4
8. Jacksonville State Gamecocks ................... 2-1 2825 9
9. South Dakota State Jackrabbits ................. 3-1 2710 10
10. Northern Iowa Panthers ........................... 1-2 2350 11
11. Southeastern Louisiana Lions ................... 2-2 2323 3
12. William & Mary Tribe ............................... 3-1 2008 13
13. Montana State Bobcats ............................ 2-2 1739 14
14. Chattanooga Mocs .................................. 1-2 1619 15
15. Bethune-Cookman Wildcats ..................... 2-1 1539 12
16. Fordham Rams ...................................... 3-1 1502 18
17. Southern Illinois Salukis .......................... 3-1 1500 16
18. Youngstown State Penguins ..................... 3-1 1383 19
19. Eastern Kentucky Colonels ....................... 4-0 1186 23
20. Richmond Spiders ................................ 2-2 1124 17
21. Tennessee State Tigers ............................ 3-1 906 20
22. Liberty Flames ..................................... 3-1 739 24
23. Illinois State Redbirds ............................. 2-0 291 NR
24. Albany Great Danes ................................ 3-0 269 NR
25. Delaware Blue Hens ................................ 2-1 181 NR

Others receiving votes: Sam Houston State 161, Northern Arizona 145, Towson 137, Furman 136, Samford 118, Missouri State 116, Southeast Missouri State 73, James Madison 65, Indiana State 61, Charleston Southern 60, Harvard 55, Bryant 55, Alabama State 46, North Carolina A&T 42, Alcorn State 36, Eastern Illinois 35, South Carolina State 33, South Dakota 27, Maine 25, Presbyterian 23, Wofford 19, Northwestern State 18, Bucknell 18, Sacramento State 17, Gardner-Webb 17, San Diego 14, Abilene Christian 13, Texas Southern 10, Tennessee Tech 8, Princeton 6, Western Illinois 4, Stephen F. Austin 3, Cal Poly 2, Sacred Heart 2, Central Arkansas 2, Western Carolina 1, Lamar 1.

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[Sly Fox]

1 North Dakota State Bison ....................... 2071 80
2 Eastern Washington Eagles ..................... 1930 2
3 Villanova Wildcats .................................. 1897 1
4 New Hampshire Wildcats ......................... 1713
5 Coastal Carolina Chanticleers ............... 1669
6 South Dakota State Jackrabbits ................ 1567
7 McNeese State Cowboys .......................... 1561
8 Jacksonville State Gamecocks ................... 1356
9 Montana Grizzlies .................................... 1319
10 Northern Iowa Panthers .......................... 1298
11 William & Mary Tribe .............................. 1133
12 Southern Illinois Salukis ......................... 1056
13 Southeastern Louisiana Lions .................. 1027
14 Eastern Kentucky Colonels ....................... 905
15 Youngstown State Penguins ..................... 860
16 Richmond Spiders ............................... 794
17 Montana State Bobcats ............................ 742
18 Fordham Rams ....................................... 603
19 Missouri State Bears ................................ 570
20 Illinois State Redbirds .............................. 532
21 Bethune-Cookman Wildcats ...................... 457
22 Liberty Flames .................................... 393
23 Chattanooga Mocs ................................... 362
24 Indiana State Sycamores ...................... 280
25 Albany Great Danes ................................. 150

Most Significant Win:
North Dakota State Bison
Northwestern State Demons

Most Significant Loss:
Southeastern Louisiana Lions

ORV:
26 Tennessee State Tigers ............................ 143
27 Charleston Southern Buccaneers .......... 76
28 North Carolina A&T Aggies ......................... 73
29 Harvard Crimson ...................................... 65
30 Bucknell Bison ......................................... 59
31 Northwestern State Demons ...................... 50
32 Samford Bulldogs ..................................... 48
33 South Dakota Coyotes .............................. 32
34 Stephen F. Austin Lumberjacks .................. 31
35 Southeast Missouri State Redhawks ........... 26
36 Sacramento State Hornets ........................ 19
37 Alabama State Hornets ............................. 17
38 James Madison Dukes .............................. 15
39 Bryant Bulldogs .................................... 13
40 Gardner-Webb Runnin' Bulldogs ........... 10

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[bluejacket]

Overall, Southeast Louisiana, Fordham, Chattanooga (#14 in TSN?), Sam Houston St. (#26 in TSN?), Furman, and Samford are too high. Eastern Kentucky, Indiana State, and Missouri State are too low.

[flameshaw]

I still can't get over Coastal being ranked that high. Straight up, I wouldn't bet on them to beat anyone in the top 10, they haven't beat anyone. I think we are ranked too high as well. Not sure we should be ranked at all, but not above 25. Now if we beat IS, that may be another story. I guess playing "the sisters of the blind" has some benefits.

[bluejacket]

I still can't get over Coastal being ranked that high. Straight up, I wouldn't bet on them to beat anyone in the top 10, they haven't beat anyone. I think we are ranked too high as well. Not sure we should be ranked at all, but not above 25. Now if we beat IS, that may be another story. I guess playing "the sisters of the blind" has some benefits.

We definitely should not be top 25. But there is no reason to drop Coastal. I don't think that they are a top 5 team, but they have taken care of business so far.

[Sly Fox]

I think we are fairly assessed where we are. Sometimes we forget that we do not operate in a vacuum. There are not that many great teams in FCS right now. After the top two, there appears to be a massive drop-off.

[Sly Fox]

By the way, here is the coaches poll:

FCS Coaches Poll - Week 4 - 9/22
1. N. Dak. St. (26) 4-0 650 1
2. Eastern Wash. 3-1 623 2
3. Coastal Car. 4-0 578 5
4. McNeese St. 1-1 545 6
5. Villanova 2-1 526 7
6. Montana 2-2 505 3
7. New Hampshire 2-1 494 9
8. Jacksonville St. 2-1 492 8
9. S. Dakota St. 3-1 449 10
10. Northern Iowa 1-2 408 11
11. SE Louisiana 2-2 368 4
12. Youngstown St. 3-1 303 15
13. William & Mary 3-1 301 17
14. Bethune-Cookman 2-1 273 12
15. Chattanooga 1-2 271 14
16. Southern Ill. 3-1 269 13
17. Montana St. 2-2 241 16
18. E. Kentucky 4-0 210 22
19. Fordham 3-1 188 19
20. Tennessee St. 3-1 154 20
21. Richmond 2-2 141 18
22. Illinois St. 2-0 101 24
23. Liberty 3-1 80 NR
24. Missouri St. 3-1 65 NR
25. Charleston Sou. 4-0 39 NR

Others Receiving Votes:
Sam Houston St. 26, Towson 22, Furman 18, Samford 16, Alcorn St. 16, Northern Arizona 13, Harvard 13, Sacramento St. 12, S.F. Austin 9, N.C. A&T 7, Indiana St. 7, Albany 5, South Dakota 3, Alabama St. 3, Bryant 2, Cal Poly 2, SE Missouri St. 1, N'western St. 1

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