[thepostman]

it means a TON of something to those kids- esp the seniors.

fans have different outlooks.

the guys are there for 4, maybe 5 years- we watch for decades

big difference in perspective

allow the guys their moment

well done finish after a huge disappointment(s) early in the season.

they couldve folded but didnt. props for that.

I agree, they should be proud of themselves.

[SuperJon]

They should totally be proud of themselves. Co-champs is so 2009 though.

[WinterIsComing]

it means a TON of something to those kids- esp the seniors.

fans have different outlooks.

the guys are there for 4, maybe 5 years- we watch for decades

big difference in perspective

allow the guys their moment

well done finish after a huge disappointment(s) early in the season.

they couldve folded but didnt. props for that.

If the trophy said "Co", I'd have no issue with it. (Maybe I should write the BSC...)

That we got to where we did IS a big deal. It's like I've said before, this is gonna take time and I do believe in Coach Gill and his process until he shows me otherwise. But we have to stop pretending that we're Champs when we're not. We're Co-Champs. It's false advertising to say otherwise. Attributing ourselves any other way only furthers the deeper issues within the entire athletic program.

[Schfourteenteen]

What I don't get is disregarding a co-championship. Both teams went 4-1 and in regard to the league they should both be able to claim a co-championship. That said, CCU clearly deserves the auto bid based on that screwy night and finish. Why do the two have to be in conflict?

Because the auto bid goes to the conference champion, and in every other sports league, be it professional, fauxmateur or youth sports there is a way to break ties. It's not difficult, and it's not controversial. The Big South even uses one but decides that everyone deserves a pussified medal even though the system to crown a champion is already in place. The only reason college sports brings this crap to the forefront is because schools don't give a dang about integrity when it can make an extra buck or two off of donors.

Find me the Liberty team photo with the 2009 championship trophy taken on the field at LaValle. Why doesn't that exist? Because Liberty didn't win anything that day. And yet here is our beloved Athletic Department whom we all support placing their flag on another championship Liberty didn't win. Kyle Vaglander's yearly trophy expenses might just be larger than the entire athletic budget of Charleston Southern.

Shame on the Big South for putting together this scam of a competition that has crowned 11 champions over the past 5 years
Shame on Liberty for advertising this as their 6th Big South Conference championship in the last however many years
Shame on the coaching staff for allowing men to think they won something more than second place today. It devalues what the players actually did accomplish this year
Shame on our fans who accept this season as one to be celebrated with a championship trophy.

Why do Liberty players deserve a trophy, or better yet, "their victorious moment?" Did anyone show up at the Gardner Webb with a block of wood so their seniors could feel like they won something? Why does "the moment" need to be accompanied with a hollow trophy? The guys who are finished should be proud of themselves for finishing a football career of hard work in which they made lifelong friends, became men and hopefully walk out of here with a degree. These guys should be proud of themselves because when everything was stripped away, they had the character to continue to work hard and stay determined. But the team should not be celebrated as the Big South Champions, because they are not deserving of that honor, whether we want to admit it or not.

Leave it to the Baptist PR guy to call a come from behind Coastal Carolina road victory a "screwy night."

KallanderKare: Because every college player should have the right to a trophy

[sigmo7]

WINTER if i were you i'd fire off an email to the NCAA and request they start an investigation on this. although the NCAA route might take too long for you just go over to the FOC tomorrow and demand they allow you to take a sharpie and write CO in front of champions on all the trophy's. i for one would be able to sleep better at night knowing we got this problem fixed.

[Steelers4]

I think if you re-read my post you will become more clear of what was typed. There was no parading about being co-conference champs or actually, when you look at it there was no mention of the championship at all. To be so naive to think that these players are actually happy to be holding that trophy up at the end of the game instead of making it to the playoffs is mind blowing! What did you want them to do or how did you want them to act? Did you want to see tears from them or see an unenthusiastic team tell the big south commissioner to not even bring the trophy to the game because they didn't deserve it? and to think that these players would not or do not come on here and see what you guys have to say is preposterous, heck for all you know you are looked at as the only real fans they have based on the fact that you would spend your time to come to a message board to post, when all they see or what I see is a half filled stadium of fans that couldn't spend their time to stay the whole game. Especially at a school like liberty where fans have to be earned and not given like a uva or tech. While also having a student population that isn't at the game or cheering because they are drunk but yet have students that wont come or dont stay and the ones that do are more worried about taking facebook pictures with their friends because its the "cool" thing to do. Sorry to the ones that actually have the cognitive ability to process things!

[WinterIsComing]

WINTER if i were you i'd fire off an email to the NCAA and request they start an investigation on this. although the NCAA route might take too long for you just go over to the FOC tomorrow and demand they allow you to take a sharpie and write CO in front of champions on all the trophy's. i for one would be able to sleep better at night knowing we got this problem fixed.

We really do need that font for sarcasm...

So you're advocating vandalism of private property, to fix the bigger cultural issue? I'll pass.

But, if this hypothetical act of crime ever were to occur, you'd know it was me because I'll write #FBSReady on them too.

[jimflamesfan]

Both Mario Lemieux and Sidney Crosby touched the Prince of Wales trophy and then went on to win the Stanley Cup.

Most players don't touch it...but some don't care.

[sigmo7]

Winter i said for you to demand them to let you take a sharpie to the trophy didn't realize you would try to go after normal business hours. it hurts me that you think i would ask you to perform a B/E. Today's game just like every other for the past 3 years i went down on the field questioned Nick on a few plays, congratulated him and the team on kicking the crap out of CSU and never mentioned a word to him about winning that made up award and neither did he. matter of fact i never heard a single player mention to their parents that they were big south champs. this issue has been going on for at least 6-7 years and everyone knew what was gonna happen if we won today so PM me and i will furnish my fax number to all the whiners so they can send me copies of all the letters and emails and signed petitions that have been sent over the years to LU & the BSC about this untruth they are promoting. PS= i want to apologize in advance if there happens to be a pic floating around with Nick & that fake a$$ trophy, please disregard it he was a little tired after the game and probably didn't notice that CO- was left off of it.

[Purple Haize]

I think if you re-read my post you will become more clear of what was typed. There was no parading about being co-conference champs or actually, when you look at it there was no mention of the championship at all. To be so naive to think that these players are actually happy to be holding that trophy up at the end of the game instead of making it to the playoffs is mind blowing! What did you want them to do or how did you want them to act? Did you want to see tears from them or see an unenthusiastic team tell the big south commissioner to not even bring the trophy to the game because they didn't deserve it? and to think that these players would not or do not come on here and see what you guys have to say is preposterous, heck for all you know you are looked at as the only real fans they have based on the fact that you would spend your time to come to a message board to post, when all they see or what I see is a half filled stadium of fans that couldn't spend their time to stay the whole game. Especially at a school like liberty where fans have to be earned and not given like a uva or tech. While also having a student population that isn't at the game or cheering because they are drunk but yet have students that wont come or dont stay and the ones that do are more worried about taking facebook pictures with their friends because its the "cool" thing to do. Sorry to the ones that actually have the cognitive ability to process things!

To the first point that would be pretty cool and show a ton of moxey. I remember when the BSC MVP drove to LU to give his trophy away because he knew he didn't deserve it.
As to the second point, ALL fans have to be earned regardless of the school.
And if YOU were to reread these posts you'd see no one is short changing this team on its season. SCH spelled it out very nicely. What we celebrate and what the guys should too is greater and much more meaningful then a hollow trophy and a nice ring.

[TH Spangler]

and to think that these players would not or do not come on here and see what you guys have to say is preposterous, heck for all you know you are looked at as the only real fans they have based on the fact that you would spend your time to come to a message board to post

Thank you Steelers4!

And thank you LU players for a great season!

[sigmo7]

my question is how are any of you personally or financially affected by a player(s) or a conference that you have cheered for all season says he is part of a championship team without listing it as CO?

so unless you can change the rules it doesn't matter,whether it's right or wrong. who knows the reason why the league does it this way, but they do.

have any of you ever received a raise,promotion or a better grade in a class and went to the teacher or your boss and said i don't deserve this JOE BLOW works much harder than me give it to him. HELL NO!!!! do you feel good about it when you cash your check or wipe the smudge off your fancy new name plate? or does the guilt affect you so bad that you donate your new found income to charity each week or ask to be demoted because you can't bear to live the lie that you didn't deserve the rewards that were bestowed upon you by someone who thought you did. the BIG SOUTH gave it to LU & CCU this year and in the past and will give it to 2/3 teams in the future possibly. you people can just look the other way at the banners and anything written that says CONFERENCE CHAMPION on it because it will burn your retinas. i for one will not let my younger children near them.

while i'm on the box. after the Coastal game which i think we should have won and didn't somebody posted well they were the #3/5 team in the country, people started posting if you think they are the #3/5 team in the country you are out of your mind. that's what they were ranked at the time by the people who do the rankings. (I suggest a new rule to the forum when discussing a ranked team please list where you have them ranked so we will actually know if they are any good or not) i assume people used the ranking to state the fact that we didn't go to OT with a DIII team.

i don't intend to tick people off, but if i do oh well. it's my opinion and i'm sticking to it.

[Purple Haize]

my question is how are any of you personally or financially affected by a player(s) or a conference that you have cheered for all season says he is part of a championship team without listing it as CO?

so unless you can change the rules it doesn't matter,whether it's right or wrong. who knows the reason why the league does it this way, but they do.

have any of you ever received a raise,promotion or a better grade in a class and went to the teacher or your boss and said i don't deserve this JOE BLOW works much harder than me give it to him. HELL NO!!!! do you feel good about it when you cash your check or wipe the smudge off your fancy new name plate? or does the guilt affect you so bad that you donate your new found income to charity each week or ask to be demoted because you can't bear to live the lie that you didn't deserve the rewards that were bestowed upon you by someone who thought you did. the BIG SOUTH gave it to LU & CCU this year and in the past and will give it to 2/3 teams in the future possibly. you people can just look the other way at the banners and anything written that says CONFERENCE CHAMPION on it because it will burn your retinas. i for one will not let my younger children near them.

while i'm on the box. after the Coastal game which i think we should have won and didn't somebody posted well they were the #3/5 team in the country, people started posting if you think they are the #3/5 team in the country you are out of your mind. that's what they were ranked at the time by the people who do the rankings. (I suggest a new rule to the forum when discussing a ranked team please list where you have them ranked so we will actually know if they are any good or not) i assume people used the ranking to state the fact that we didn't go to OT with a DIII team.

i don't intend to whiz people off, but if i do oh well. it's my opinion and i'm sticking to it.

Apples and oranges comparisons

[Sly Fox]

The Baptist PR guy agrees wholeheartedly with sigmo7.

[Purple Haize]

The Baptist PR guy agrees wholeheartedly with sigmo7.

I'm

[SuperJon]

Sigmo, I'm a huge fan of you and even bigger fan of your son, but to list these past four second/third place finishes as "champions" cheapens the true championship that the 07 and 08 teams won. I realize you have a vested interest in your son, and I completely understand your viewpoint, but I have a vested interest in those 07/08 teams. Those guys were undisputed champions and are two of the best teams we've ever had. This year's team was very good but those teams won it outright and should be set apart from these last four.

[TH Spangler]

To this "outsider" some posters do come across more like disgruntled LU "somethings" ... I hope more FlamesFans.com lurkers, that agree with me start participating more. If not I'm going to register the URL Flamescritics.com for some of you.

[Purple Haize]

To this "outsider" some posters do come across more like disgruntled LU "somethings" ... I hope more FlamesFans.com lurkers, that agree with me start participating more. If not I'm going to register the URL Flamescritics.com for some of you.

:I chortle audibly.:

Maybe there are none who agree with you?

[thepostman]

Sigmo, I'm a huge fan of you and even bigger fan of your son, but to list these past four second/third place finishes as "champions" cheapens the true championship that the 07 and 08 teams won. I realize you have a vested interest in your son, and I completely understand your viewpoint, but I have a vested interest in those 07/08 teams. Those guys were undisputed champions and are two of the best teams we've ever had. This year's team was very good but those teams won it outright and should be set apart from these last four.

This all day. I am tired if my fanhood being questioned simply because I hold this opinion.

[sigmo7]

thanks SUPER. we all have viewpoints and opinions, but the bottom line i would hope is to see LU be the best they can be.

[Purple Haize]

thanks SUPER. we all have viewpoints and opinions, but the bottom line i would hope is to see LU be the best they can be.

Here here

[michaeleyou]

great post STEELERS. people know how i feel about the team so i'm just gonna leave this thread alone for a while.

I'm with you Sigmo. Great post. Sometimes I log on and read a few lines and just shake my head as I sign off. Maybe, just maybe the reason they say some posters come on and comment only to never be heard from again is this...one doesn't have the expectation when they join a "fan" page to find so much negativity.
With that said, let the beatings continue.

[thepostman]

Flamefans is not nearly as negative as other fan message boards. Get out there and read some and you will see how tame this place really is.

[01LUGrad]

The cure for pessimism is winning.

[Purple Haize]

great post STEELERS. people know how i feel about the team so i'm just gonna leave this thread alone for a while.

I'm with you Sigmo. Great post. Sometimes I log on and read a few lines and just shake my head as I sign off. Maybe, just maybe the reason they say some posters come on and comment only to never be heard from again is this...one doesn't have the expectation when they join a "fan" page to find so much negativity.
With that said, let the beatings continue.

What?!? You obviously don't visit a lot of fan pages. This group is super tame and super supportive. Of course if you are looking for a place where everyone agrees and thinks the same things then maybe fan sites aren't for you. Unless Westboro Baptist has their own site