[SuperJon]

Despite a poor performance today, I believe we are in good shape at QB. Lets face it, we lost 2 of our top 3 WR's from last year. One of those was far and away better than any WR we had ever had. We lost our top 2 QB's, one of whom was a dual threat that was a good chunk of our offense. Remember, we couldn't run the ball at all last year with the exception of Mike Brown. The point of that statement is that our o-line wasn't good, and still isn't.

This year, we have a freshman QB, a patchwork o-line, a possession/#3 WR playing the #1 role, and the #2 WR out for the year.

Woodrum has nothing to throw to anymore. We have zero deep threat. When you can't stretch the field, playing defense against you becomes pretty simple. Teams, even in the Big South, aren't stupid.

I do think the coaching has been mediocre, especially play calling. I hate the alternating of Holloway and Allen. Allen should be playing. Period.

We lost a ton and didn't get a ton to replace the talent. We weren't stacked we were thin after our starters last year. This year we were thinner yet, and then we had injury issues. It sucks and losing isn't acceptable, but lets not pretend that we are a very talented team.

We can shut down this whole thread after this post. Nothing else would add to it.

[Purple Haize]

like i said adapt. use two TE sets and that helps the running game. Apon and Gunn are big TE's who can block. haize i know you are on Gill's payroll!

Why not run some wishbone while we are at it? Why even use receivers? Do you know that Apon and Gunn are better run or pass blockers? Are they better receivers?
And what should we adapt to? Maybe, just maybe, the staff is looking to build a program and not just a year? I think they demonstrated they are looking towards the future by sticking with a Frosh QB. I mean I might be ON the payroll but at least I don't LOOK like a jelly roll!

[redhedtchr]

Just gotta throw this out there.....as a football fan who loves to WATCH and CHEER (not analyze and coach, that's why I have you guys).....is this an unusual amount of injuries for a team in one year? Should we be questioning or looking at reasons for the injuries other than just bad luck? Is it improper tackling/blocking, wrong cleats on certain turf conditions, problem with our conditioning program, or something else that is contributing to the high number of injuries? I'm just wondering...I love my Flames, and have since 1981. Not happy with the season, or the play calling/coaching (according to my husband and son), but will be a Flames Fan Forever!!

[SuperJon]

The injuries are just fluke, bad-luck things. We've been really lucky the past couple of years with very few serious injuries. The law of averages says we were due for a bunch of injuries some year. This is that year.

[jbock13]

We lost to Norfolk State and Lehigh because the coaching and playcalling was terrible. Unacceptable.

Wake and Montana, close, but understandable.

Getting blown out by a mediocre Coastal team, even with some injuries? Unacceptable.

And if we lose to either Chucky or VMI, that will tell us all we need to know. I understand we have injuries, but Norfolk State and Lehigh had nothing to do with injuries.

[Purple Haize]

I would say we were IN those games because of coaching

[BJWilliams]

I wont comment any on this game other than to say that my frustrations with this team this year have already been voiced by others, but its not reason to throw any of the coaches out on the street. Not Coach Gill, not Coach Stamn, not Coach Gillespie...not anyone.

[Bigsouthking]

Before ToC says it, It must be JB's fault.

The key to this statement is when is one of his Big 3 hires, baseball, basketball, & football going to either go to the NCAA Tournament or the Football playoffs?? Return on $$$$ investment...

[thepostman]

I see where you are coming from smooth and understand the frustration but I disagree with how you view our talent. We are not a very deep football team right now and that is why injuries are effecting us so much.

I am not trying to stick up for the coaching staff because I believe there is plenty of room for improvement there. I just don't think we have the talent on this team right now to overcome the injuries AND a coaching staff/team trying to find their identity.

I am frustrated and do believe we are better then we showed yesterday, but to say that the injuries combined with a new staff coming in isn't having anything to do with it is just not right. Just my opinion...

You must give a coaching staff at least 3 seasons, maybe 4, to fully evaluate them fairly

[Purple Haize]

I don't know POSTY. It seems a lot of people think that because of the amount of money we put into the program we should just be able to skip that whole building process. We should be able to buy coaching AND playing talent. With our money we shouldn't have to wait!

[BJWilliams]

To be frank, I think the fan base around here is starting to rival some SEC fanbases in expectations.

[Cider Jim]

You guys know I like Rocco and stood up for him last year even with the player controversies. But I think this team is better coached.

Yea, if Rocco were still coaching in his gray sweatshirt and navy ski cap, we would also have Tyler Brennan at QB.

[thepostman]

To be frank, I think the fan base around here is starting to rival some SEC fanbases in expectations.

haha, no they aren't beej

[bigsmooth]

I see where you are coming from smooth and understand the frustration but I disagree with how you view our talent. We are not a very deep football team right now and that is why injuries are effecting us so much.

I am not trying to stick up for the coaching staff because I believe there is plenty of room for improvement there. I just don't think we have the talent on this team right now to overcome the injuries AND a coaching staff/team trying to find their identity.

I am frustrated and do believe we are better then we showed yesterday, but to say that the injuries combined with a new staff coming in isn't having anything to do with it is just not right. Just my opinion...

You must give a coaching staff at least 3 seasons, maybe 4, to fully evaluate them fairly

i didnt say injuries were not a part of it, just saying those who blame it entirely on injuries are. the coaching staff is not adapting and not mixing it up to utilize the talent we have IMO.

[thepostman]

ahhh gotcha.

Can't really disagree with that

[Purple Haize]

It's difficult to adapt when 1) no matter what adjustments you make don't have the talent to evaluate them properly and 2) you don't know what players you will have in what position because these injuries are happening during the season, not preseason.

[BJWilliams]

Smooth does have a point. that said, and this is something I dont think ToC or his ilk would like, money does not equal success. Yes money can bring about coaches, and facilities and what have you...but money doesnt bring you wins. Just because you have the biggest budget in a conference, doesnt mean that anyone is going to lay down for you. Patience does need to be exercised at this point, and most of the people on here are doing that...its the small group that feels that big budgets = instant success that are the problem

[jinxy]

Very true about Rocco, he was all about Tyler Brennan (who i always thought looked pedestrian at at best).

Let's talk about injuries.

Clearly Boyd and Fogg are the two biggies. I'd say start with the CCu game since i really didn't expect us to beat any of the first 4 games other than NSU. QB, RB, TE, and O line had 3 starters healthy the entire game. They were missing 1 receiever that played (Ferguson). On to defense, missing 1 corner and depth at LB.

Correct me if I'm missing guys that are "starters" or big time players. I understand that Fogg and Boyd are huge losses, maybe even Ferguson. That's three guys and depth. Every team has injuries though, maybe we have a few more but

Now, if you want to say we don't have enough talent that's probably true at O line and WR. I still think there is plenty of talent to beat NSU and be competitive with CCU.

[bigsmooth]

It's difficult to adapt when 1) no matter what adjustments you make don't have the talent to evaluate them properly and 2) you don't know what players you will have in what position because these injuries are happening during the season, not preseason.

ok Bill Polian

[Bigsouthking]

Haize have you coached before? I bet your Upward team sucked...

[SuperJon]

Getting blown out by a mediocre Coastal team, even with some injuries? Unacceptable.

This is why I can't take Liberty fans seriously. They comment on things about other teams without having a clue what they're talking about.

Every single year for the past five years, the general consensus has been that Coastal had more talent than any other team in the league. They just didn't have the coaching. Everyone who knew anything has said that if they ever got a coach who wasn't a complete joke, they would be scary good.

They now have a coach who isn't a complete joke. They're on their way to being a very good team. To say they're mediocre is just asinine.

[SuperJon]

BJ brings up the anti-JB guys more than they actually show up.

[Purple Haize]

It's difficult to adapt when 1) no matter what adjustments you make don't have the talent to evaluate them properly and 2) you don't know what players you will have in what position because these injuries are happening during the season, not preseason.

ok Bill Polian

You are half right!

Go watch your 'other' college team. They know how to build champions there. At least LU's QB dates ladies older the the QB does of your favorite pro team

[Purple Haize]

Haize have you coached before? I bet your Upward team sucked... :I am laughing out loud. I typed "LOL" but that is for teenage girls who text. So please know that I am laughing. Out loud.:

I must confess I've never coached an Upward Bound team. I'm hoping that maybe one day I can reach that level!

[LUconn]

They now have a coach who isn't a complete joke.

jury's still out on that. The fact that he is a coach is a joke. I certainly haven't seen anything out of coastal this year to make me think otherwise. I guess the fact that they are not a complete disaster has exceeded my expectations for him.