[Realist]

I'll leave the topic at this:

ROCK HILL, SC—The first 2006-07 college basketball publication hit the newsstands this week and the Winthrop men’s basketball team has been ranked 30th in the nation by Lindy’s magazine marking the first time a Big South Conference school has been ranked among the top 50 teams in any preseason publication.



Lindy’s also ranks Winthrop’s 6-10 senior center Craig Bradshaw in its list of the nation’s top 25 big men. Bradshaw is picked as the 22nd best center in the forecast.

[SuperJon]

You make good points, but then you also look like a d-----bag in others.

Good points: Brewington and the transfer. Everyone that knows anything knows we were like the 9th school he went to and the other 8 wouldn't take him. He's good on the court and if we can keep his head straight we'll have a great player.

Good point: LU has a bunch of transfer. However, instead of saying they're ones that don't know team ball, it'd be more intelligent to say you don't know how they'll gel together. Vince Redd and TJ Bannister know team ball. Redd hasn't played D1 basketball in two years though.

d-----bag point: WU is a dynasty. That's just cocky. A dynasty would be in the NCAA tournament every year for 5-10 years straight. LU and UNC-Asheville have made it in the not so distant future. WU has had great teams, but they haven't been a dynasty.

Good point: They will improve, but it's pure stupidity to expect a title. You're exactly right. You have to crawl before you walk.

d-----bag point: LU has a dress code and social life of a graveyard. There's basically no dress code for the big athletes. They get whatever they want. As for the social life, there's one. Believe me. The athletes know it. The students who don't spend every waking hour reading the Bible know it. The people who aren't afraid to break a rule or two know there's a social life. Any Christian school is going to have an underlying/underground social scene.

d-----bag point: LU is not even in Winthrop's class in basketball, and never will be. We beat you last year. Apparently we were in your class that night. At our level of basketball (low-major D1 conference) all it takes is one good recruiting class or one bad recruiting class to completely change how a team is. The same can be said about coaching. A good coach can completely change a team almost overnight (i.e. Buzz at Coastal).

[thepostman]

LU was 7 and 28 or something like that last year. Winthrop is a dynasty. Maybe your 0-11 football team will entice some recruits, not sure. Anyways, the win loss record speaks for itself. I'm sure recruits want to come play for a school that has been bottom of the RPI for the last ten years, and has a dress code and social life of a graveyard, you've sold me. Brewington is a providence alum. The same Providence Winthrop handled on their own homecourt. Torrell Martin is the BSC Tourney MVP and Dwight Brewington is a headcase who couldn't cut it in the Big East. The problem not lies in how good he is but his head. Winthrop has champions in basketball. LU has a bunch transfers who don't know team ball. They will improve, but it's pure stupidity to expect a title. LU is not even in Winthrop's class in basketball, and never will be.

you have made some decent points throughout this thread, but you just made yourself look like an idiot here....a dyanasty?? please....our athletic department has been run poorly the past few years and we still had some winning teams. Now that we have an administration that is getting the whole department as a while back together we will soon see a trickle down effect...

as for the social aspect....what does WU community offer that the LU community doesn't?? if you are talking about on campus partying....well then i guess you're right....but i wouldn't call LU a "social graveyard"

you just made yourself look very unintelligent, at least the WinthropEagleFan does his research and sounds very intelligent in doing it.....I don't know a lot about the WU athletic department as a whole, but I do know this much, your basketball team IS NOT a dynasty....

You guys have a good teams the past couple of years and should be good this year, but preseason rankings mean NOTHING., rarely do they pan out

[SuperJon]

Whenever WU mentions a social scene they mean Charlotte.

[Realist]

I like LU, I root for them. But everything I have said is true. 6 titles in 8 years is a dynasty. It's not one recruiting class, it's many, many classes. But I understand your hatred for WU, we are the best, and everyone hates the best. We talk about exposure and programs, I think the espn announcer for the title game said it best in his coverage. The dynasty lives on.

[SuperJon]

It's the coach. Notice I also said that one good coach can change the way things are. One good coach changes things, and then 9 times out of ten another good coach will replace the first one once he moves on.

[fsn32]

LU was 7 and 28 or something like that last year. Winthrop is a dynasty. Maybe your 0-11 football team will entice some recruits, not sure. Anyways, the win loss record speaks for itself. I'm sure recruits want to come play for a school that has been bottom of the RPI for the last ten years, and has a dress code and social life of a graveyard, you've sold me. Brewington is a providence alum. The same Providence Winthrop handled on their own homecourt. Torrell Martin is the BSC Tourney MVP and Dwight Brewington is a headcase who couldn't cut it in the Big East. The problem not lies in how good he is but his head. Winthrop has champions in basketball. LU has a bunch transfers who don't know team ball. They will improve, but it's pure stupidity to expect a title. LU is not even in Winthrop's class in basketball, and never will be.

It's funny how quickly things change... I wouldn't throw words like "never will be" around too much. Marshall has built the dynasty but if he were to leave...who knows. I can remember that not even ten years ago there was a guy named Dan Kenney in Rock Hill... Winthrop was THE laughing stock of Big South basketball. Liberty was the dominant team in the 90's along with UNC-G and a new coach took us to the bottom while a new coach took you to the top. Randy came back and we were on top again, sure there were struggles last year but I wouldn't start engraving the trophy for the next ten years... this isn't Women's Basketball.

(Sorry, I had to throw in a reference the TRUE dynasty.)

[thepostman]

I like LU, I root for them. But everything I have said is true. 6 titles in 8 years is a dynasty. It's not one recruiting class, it's many, many classes. But I understand your hatred for WU, we are the best, and everyone hates the best. We talk about exposure and programs, I think the espn announcer for the title game said it best in his coverage. The dynasty lives on.

the thing is i don't hate winthrop....its your cockiness and lack of intelligence that is getting me, like i said WinthropEagleFan is classy and does research and gives facts

and though i may get some heat for this, the women's bball team here to me wasn't considered I dynasty in my mind until they finally made it to the sweet 16....the same goes for Winthrop's basketball team, until they win in the BIG tournament there is no way i will call them a dynasty.....

Winthrop does have a solid basketball program, that is for sure, its just a shame they have someone like you representing them over here in the LU board

[WinthropEagleFan]

Whenever WU mentions a social scene they mean Charlotte.

And Charlotte is a huge selling point for WU and Winthrop athletic recruiting, nobody at WU will deny that. Much like Myrtle Beach is a huge selling point for Coastal...No the schools aren't actually in those cities, but they are close enough that any student can easily access anything that the nearby big city has to offer w/ a quick drive on any given day or night. I know Charlotte was a big reason I went to Winthrop. I've lived within 15-40 miles of a big city almost all my life (whether it was DC, Miami, or the San Francisco Bay Area), so while I was looking to move somewhere new to go to college, one of the things I was looking for was easy access to a big city. I'm sure there are recruits that want the same thing. You can also throw in easy access to an NFL and NBA team too.

[TallyW]

It's sad when a "social scene" can only involve getting plastered and sleeping around. As far as an environment to have great relationships (a true social scene), LU continues to improve year after year. Again, I don't see the same skyrocketing enrollment at these schools with "a social scene".

The facts are that we will (within a few years) simply be too big and too competetive for the BSC. If we're headed to 25k in an undergrad population... we'll end up dwarfing most other schools and simply need to move to greener pastures. Enjoy the BSC Realist... we'll be surpassing you before long.

[Realist]

I love how I've been personally attacked, and find it quite funny that students from Liberty (one of the lower tier academic institutions in the Big South) would insult my intelligence. It's quite apparent through the use of english language that quite a few of the "uneducated" lie within the borders of Lynchburg.

Remember, I didn't start a flame war. All I said was that I wouldn't encourage the starting of a football team at my school. From which the jealousy started attacks on Winthrop. Sorry to defend it, and sorry we are a dynasty, if that makes you feel better.

Feel better?

[BJWilliams]

I love how I've been personally attacked, and find it quite funny that students from Liberty (one of the lower tier academic institutions in the Big South) would insult my intelligence. It's quite apparent through the use of english language that the quite a few of the "uneducated" lie within the borders of Lynchburg.

Remember, I didn't start a flame war. All I said was that I wouldn't encourage the starting of a football team at my school. From which the jealousy started attacks on Winthrop. Sorry to defend it, and sorry we are a dynasty, if that makes you feel better.

I understand your points...I just thought Id point out in the interest of full disclosure that this "the" isn't supposed to be there.

[Sly Fox]

Easy now, Realist. I don't think anyone personally attacked you. Although I agree that certain language wasn't completely necessary (we had a whole thread based on this word once before). Take all of this for what it is ... little smack between schools.

For the record, the only reason this has lasted this long is that LU & WU actually have something to talk about. This wouldn't last long on a UNCA or Radford board.

[TIMSCAR20]

I have not read all the posts but this is a great thread. I did want to just put one thing in perspective. Before Gregg Marshall WU was an absolute joke. They were under Dan Kenny and were the worst team in the conference. Everyone acts like they have 100 years of great basketball history when reality is they have 8. Realist you are my boy and I know you actually are not an LU hater but want to add some perspective to our overzealous fan base. I can see some of your points but the truth is Liberty will be a better team this year and WU has a great program right now but that is why they play the games. We will find out soon enough how good both teams are. OK back to your points guys.

[LUconn]

Eh, we don't waste our time or money with JV football.

Nah, we just went to the Big Dance. No one cares about JV football teams.

Remember, I didn't start a flame war. All I said was that I wouldn't encourage the starting of a football team at my school.

"realist", anyone can simply hit the link to page 2 and see that you were obviously trying to get us riled up, which is not difficult. You make some good points in some areas but then you're completely dillusional in others while under the guise that you're some sort of unbias straight shooter.

[prototype]

I know how my wife felt during her 2 pregnancies. I got on to this board this morning, and read some of the post and I feel pretty sick to my stomach.

Dynasty? Of course your social seen is better down there - if everyone's on the same crack as you. Winthrop is good, I know and I don't hate them. I enjoy watching them play, but a Dynasty would have to include some NCAA tournament wins, more than 4 out-right regular season titles in the last 8 years and winning more than 2 of the last 4 tournaments. Complete Domination!! Take notes from our women's team - What have we lost 1 game in the past Millennium in the Big South - that's a dynasty.

Social Scene at Liberty is better than most Universities - I spent a lot of time on campuses such as UCLA, Florida State, Florida and I would much rather be in Liberty's social scene. We can have fun without getting trashed every night and I have 8 brothers and sisters - all who went to schools like FSU, Princeton, RIT, and USF. They have maybe one person they still talk to from college. I still have friendships with at least 40 people. Academics are what you make it at Liberty. Does Winthrop have a Law School? Does Winthrop offer over 80 Undergraduate Programs? (You offer 37) Over 50 Graduate Programs? (You offer 25). Liberty has had the top Debate team in the Country for the last 5 years - our competition - IVY League Schools. I would highly doubt that you can judge the success of an educational program from postings on a message board.


Just a little side note for Realist -
MARCH 9,2002
Liberty's Heather Sagan wins the Mile at the NCAA Indoor
Championships to become the first Big South national champion in any
sport.

[Chris Lang]

I'm not interesting in the pissing match (after all, I went to Virginia Tech, where the social scene mostly did involve getting plastered and sleeping around ) ...

Just to touch up WEF's good post on national championships:

Connecticut's first year of I-A football was 2000. The Huskies were I-A independent from 2000-03.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/di ... /index.php

[prototype]

But they had a 1AA football team before that. Correct?

[adrianb]

I really enjoyed going to a school that had as you say JV football. It gave me a reason to stay on campus past Thrusday night.

Second football itself is not a drain, but title nine is. Not that I have anything against women's athletics, but if colleges did not have to come up with an equal amount of scholarships to match football then I would say football would be profitable for most schools. As a revenue producing sport football is a different animal and therefore should not have to be included in title nine.

However it should be said that if a I-AA program schedules well then it can be very profitable. Citadel has raise a lot of money by playing I-A's, and Montanna State made about 300 grand for whooping on Colorado.

As for JV
Randy Moss, Walter Peyton, Steve McNair, Jerry Rice, Art Shell, Gabe Wilkins, Terrell Owens and I could go on, all came from smaller colleges. It's good football maybe not at the highest calliber, but it has produced great atheletes.

[Chris Lang]

But they had a 1AA football team before that. Correct?

Yes, but in the cases cited (UConn WBB titles in 2000, 02), the Huskies were I-A. Just not very good yet.

[SuperJon]

WEF, I know Charlotte's a big deal just like Myrtle is for Coastal. I was just making a statement in case he didn't know.

[LUconn]

men's championship in '99 with IAA football and in '04 with IA football.

[Realist]

Maybe you misinterpreted my initial post. I would just consider a football team at WU a glorified JV squad. I view I-AA football as that, which is a personal view. I wasn't trying to call out Liberty. To me at least, it makes no difference if we have one, or ever have one or not. As for B-ball, Scar is correct, WU was a joke before Marshall came, believe me I saw a year of it. But to deny the success of 6 titles in 8 years is ridiculous. Proclaiming a 7-20 something team from the previous year conference champs before this year is a little absurd. I guess everyone has their own personal definition of a dynasty, but when espn announcers are calling it one I think it's safe to say that most view it that way that are unbiased.

As for the social scene comment, which seems to have everyone in arms, I apologize. The statement was in reference to recruiting, and as most of you probably already know, your campus isn't for everyone. While I would never attend LU for some of the codes, etc., but my beliefs are probably on par with a lot of you.

Anyways, feel free to let me know if any of you come down for our game this year. As Scar can attest, I'm a pretty nice guy and love to talk basketball.

[SuperJon]

As for the social scene comment, which seems to have everyone in arms, I apologize. The statement was in reference to recruiting, and as most of you probably already know, your campus isn't for everyone. While I would never attend LU for some of the codes, etc., but my beliefs are probably on par with a lot of you.

You'd survive off campus. I don't drink or anything but I couldn't live on campus. With the way they're letting more and more people live off campus, if a recruit could make it one year on campus he'd be able to get off his second year. With the talk of abolishing curfew (which is getting pretty serious from what I've heard) on campus won't be nearly as bad.

[thepostman]

espn is quick to jump on calling any team a dynasty, it gives them something to talk about since they need to come up with news 24/7

as for recruiting...our basketball team has got some good players coming in for this year, our football team got some key transfers. Its becoming easier to recruit here because the athletes see that LU is committed to sports and that all the myths about the rules here are a little over rated....plus they are athletes, though i think this is wrong, they can get away with almost anything. Just like on any other campus around america.....