[4everfsu]

I perfer to see the band at halftime

[SuperJon]

who's job is it to "confront" students at football games about behavior deemed questionable and disrespectful? I don't think that's a job I would want to make a career at!

The people athletics hires from game day operations and LUPD are the ones that are supposed to say something. Generally, unless someone actually hears what is being said, they don't say anything. Kerr heard a secondhand story of what happened and stuck his nose where it didn't belong. Our girls kept things clean and were just messing with a girl from Stony Brook who had a short temper. Once the girls from Stony Brook started talking back, our girls should've stopped because that's the rules of the Big South but they didn't know that. Kerr had no right coming over and treating them the way he did though.

And whew, glad I got through that without saying anything bad.

[Sly Fox]

Thanks for the statement of facts, Luke. And thanks for the proper defense, BJ.

I have to admit if all that predicated this confrontation were cracks about water then the whole thing seems silly. At the same time this all rubs me the wrong way if much of the 3rd quarter (when everyone seems to agree that the crowd went dead) was spent by the band director focused on chewing out students & potential students instead of "saving" themselves from playing because they were going to play a high school game later that night. The priorities appear to be greatly misplaced by Dr. Kerr in this instance. But that is just my opinion as an alum. It certainly doesn't help build good will from the student body which might have something to do with the potential slighting of the band at homecoming.

[SuperJon]

I'm sure little Ms. Bando mentioned some things about bad language but that's because the SB trainer kept saying things like, "Shut the f--- up" and that stuff. Then again, Little Miss Bando has probably never put down the flute long enough to see how real fans act. We kept things clean and just so happened to rag somebody once we were in their heads. Then Little Miss Bando had to whine and complain about it.

Some people simply don't Get It and Little Miss Bando and Kerr are part of that "some people."

[Kolzilla41]

I don't know who is at fault but I can tell you the students are becoming more disrespectful. I have heard un Liberty like comments at football games and also at hockey, with the chanting of you suck. I don't know if Dr Kerr was wrong, but if SJ admitted the girls went to far, then it is Dr Kerr's responsibility as a teacher to reel the students back in, just like if there is an RA or RD in the crowd.

[SuperJon]

The girls didn't go too far. They didn't say anything wrong. I'm one of maybe 7000 people in the stands that knows the Big South says to stop saying things if players or staff turn around and start talking back to you. I'm pretty sure Kerr didn't know that. The girls said nothing wrong.

As for saying You Suck, I can tell you nobody around us says it. Also, if you play the Hey Song, you're basically inviting everyone to say You Sucks. Almost every high school in America goes "Hey! You suck!" during that song.

Saying people are saying "unLiberty things" is a slippery slope. What does that mean? What one person considers "unLiberty" is completely different from the next. Our rules are "no cussing, nothing sexual in nature, nothing personal."

[Kolzilla41]

Our girls kept things clean and were just messing with a girl from Stony Brook who had a short temper. Once the girls from Stony Brook started talking back, our girls should've stopped because that's the rules of the Big South but they didn't know that. Kerr had no right coming over and treating them the way he did though.

The thing is they should know to stop when someone starts yelling and cussing at them. It shouldn't be dictated by the Big South but if someone from Liberty sees that going on, they should say something. Like I said, I am not faulting or saying anyone is right but if a teacher sees that happening, it is their duty to respectful and professionally handle that.

[SuperJon]

Bob, he didn't see it. He came back 30 minutes after it happened after someone told him about it. The game ops people that stand in front of us every game, along with LUPD, didn't say anything about it.

And you're saying they should know to stop after someone says something back? At most schools, that's a sign that you've got them and to keep going. The ONLY reason I said they should've stopped is because it's something the Big South is starting to do this year.

[Hold My Own]

Honest question here...should LU students be held to a higher standard than students at Radford, WU, CCU, etc? Just seems like if we're using the BSC standards for our actions then we're really no different...

[Kolzilla41]

I guess the point I am trying to make it our students shouldn't be like most students and the same goes for the school.

[RagingTireFire]

Aren't you the guy who couldn't be troubled to show up for games in the first place because somebody was "cooking" or whatever? I'm surprised you've taken an interest in this topic at all.

[SuperJon]

Honest question here...should LU students be held to a higher standard than students at Radford, WU, CCU, etc? Just seems like if we're using the BSC standards for our actions then we're really no different...

We are held to a higher standard. If someone says a cuss word, says the word "faggot," or says anything else that crosses the line, that person is jumped on by everyone around him. We don't let our students cuss or say anything that's sexual in nature. We don't let kids show up to games drunk. If you think we're ANYTHING like other schools then you need to have your head examined.

I don't get some of the people at this school. I mean, really, are we supposed to just sit there on our hands?

[Hold My Own]

I mean, really, are we supposed to just sit there on our hands?

By no means, just wanted to hear your take...b/c you mentioned the BSC standards a few times

[ToTheLeft]

What more standards do you want guys? Do you even think before you spout off things like that?

Should we not say anything that might possibly be construed as something remotely discouraging?

I mean, look at your everyday life and you probably say worse things than we say at any sporting event... so consider what kind of standards there really are. If calling someone a "UConn Reject" because they transfered down to Stony Brook from UConn is "Un-Liberty", then maybe I should have transferred, since I think that's a perfect thing to say at a sporting event. If giving someone a hard time because they can't hold their temper as a member of a Division One football team is "Un-Liberty", then I'm not sure what else we can do. If you guys wanna go back to the days of fans not caring, then please, do something about our "disrespect". Fans are just now starting to care, and are for the most part keeping it clean, so cut them some slack if they screw up now and then.

[SuperJon]

I mean, really, are we supposed to just sit there on our hands?

By no means, just wanted to hear your take...b/c you mentioned the BSC standards a few times

I wasn't speaking of just you. Just wanted to clarify. I've heard you and your dad at games.

[Schfourteenteen]

Uhoh

Someone find the middle ground, these extreme rants are a lil overboard

[MacGeek]

seriously... do people not have better things to worry about?

just an outsider looking in.

[Hold My Own]

I mean, really, are we supposed to just sit there on our hands?

By no means, just wanted to hear your take...b/c you mentioned the BSC standards a few times

I wasn't speaking of just you. Just wanted to clarify. I've heard you and your dad at games.

And I'll give you a thousand dollars for each time you've ever heard "suck" or anything vulgar or anything other than just being loud

[SuperJon]

Alright, I've found out more about what actually happened on Saturday.

What was said to the trainers was over the line. Some of the things that were said by the girls in question and others around them should've never been said. You DO NOT make things personal, especially with people who aren't players. You don't call a trainer ugly. That's wrong and shouldn't be done. When other students tell you to stop what you're doing and scale it back, it's a good indication what you're doing is wrong. We police ourselves first and foremost.

Some of the stuff I said earlier, saying that they did nothing wrong and all of that was based on what I was told by one or two people. After asking around to other people who were around the people saying things, I heard a completely different story, and what I heard was absolutely embarrassing as a Liberty student and the founder of the club that was on their t-shirt.

With that being said, Kerr was out of place with what he did. That's not his job. That's the job of game operations and LUPD. His job is to have his band play music and, well, he didn't do that either.

There were people on both sides that were wrong in this situation, including people in my club. That'll get dealt with, I can promise that.

The last thing I'll say is that, in general, 95% of us police ourselves. There may be a few that cross the line occasionally and don't listen when they're corrected. We try to take care of that though and when we find out about it, we fix it.

[givemethemic]

seriously... do people not have better things to worry about?

just and outsider looking in.

Yes... What color shirt are people wearing this week? I bet by the end of the day there will be a new facebook group... Patience my friend!

Next week I have a shirt that I hope gets approval from the board

[SuperJon]

By no means, just wanted to hear your take...b/c you mentioned the BSC standards a few times

I wasn't speaking of just you. Just wanted to clarify. I've heard you and your dad at games.

And I'll give you a thousand dollars for each time you've ever heard "suck" or anything vulgar or anything other than just being loud

I've heard you say suck, but I don't think that's a big deal. I was pointing out you and your dad in the sense that you guys are like us. You're loud. You're obnoxious. But at the same time, you don't cross that line.

[Hold My Own]

seriously... do people not have better things to worry about?

just and outsider looking in.

Yes... What color shirt are people wearing this week? I bet by the end of the day there will be a new facebook group... Patience my friend!

Next week I have a shirt that I hope gets approval from the board

I'm having flashbacks of basketball season where every game we were getting updates as to why the police came over this time

[MacGeek]

seriously... do people not have better things to worry about?

just and outsider looking in.

Yes... What color shirt are people wearing this week? I bet by the end of the day there will be a new facebook group... Patience my friend!

Next week I have a shirt that I hope gets approval from the board

always stirring the pot eh?

BTW I think the color of your shirt is important because we're still young in Rocco's era. We've gotten good quick but haven't really set major traditions. I think we need to get to the point were people think "im going to a Liberty game... why would I wear anything other than red".

[ToTheLeft]

BTW I think the color of your shirt is important because we're still young in Rocco's era. We've gotten good quick but haven't really set major traditions. I think we need to get to the point were people think "im going to a Liberty game... why would I wear anything other than red".

[SuperJon]

If you guys haven't figured that stuff out yet, you never will.

As for these types of things, you're obviously not students and obviously don't have to go through the stuff that we do. You go to games in a different way than we do. Why do we post things on here? Because it gets read and things get fixed because of it.