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By Fumblerooskies
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Perhaps one of the most fun football games I have seen on TV in a VERY long time. I look forward to maybe a record breaking crowd next Saturday with the CFAW going on.
By Chris Lang
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One note on the defense to keep in mind ... there was a stretch where it was on the field for 29 of 30 plays. 17-play drive for Coastal, 1-play drive for LU, 12-play drive for Coastal. I think that sequence had a lasting effect on the rest of the game ... that and MacDowall's surprising elusiveness. CCU's o-line played a lot better than I thought it would, and as others pointed out, LU's defensive line struggled to get consistent pressure on MacDowall.
By SuperJon
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I'm not making excuses by any means, but one thing I noticed a lot of was our defensive players slipping. They would get to MacDowell, he would cut one way, and they just couldn't keep their feet underneath them to reverse direction. It was the first game we played this year on grass and the dew set pretty heavily so that may have been a reason, but that's one thing I noticed over and over, especially in the second half.
By olldflame
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SuperJon wrote:I'm not making excuses by any means, but one thing I noticed a lot of was our defensive players slipping. They would get to MacDowell, he would cut one way, and they just couldn't keep their feet underneath them to reverse direction. It was the first game we played this year on grass and the dew set pretty heavily so that may have been a reason, but that's one thing I noticed over and over, especially in the second half.
CCU's sideline reporter (who does not compare to Samantha Steele in ANY category) made the same observation about the dew. It was one of her few cogent comments.
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By Schfourteenteen
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Great game to watch on offense. Unfortunately it was one of those games where in the 3rd quarter you realized 40-45 points might nnot win the game.

Offense looked awesome, a couple players had iffy games, but some (Hayes, Brock, Dominic, Pass Protection) really kicked butt.
Jon Crawford probably had the worst game I can recall (from a fan's stand point). As a player known for his hands he muffed a punt and dropped two passes.
Great adjustments by the coaching staff throughout the game

Defensively, we just could not stop the pass. Say what you want about underneath's, but the underneath would turn into 10-15 yards because we werent nearby to begin with. Maybe slower linebackers, maybe just bad coverage, whatever. Either way, when Cover 2 is all you play and 1/2 the time you send 3, youll get what you get. We were just not showing up on defense. DE's seemed innefective versus the run and the pass. Either way, their OL was great. Very Very Very poor tackling. On a side note, Elon is going to put 70 on us if we play like that.

Question: 3rd and GL at the 6. We stopped them, but had a penalty against them. So instead of 4th and 6 and taking the FG, we take the penalty making it 3rd and 16. Why? It's not like we ever stopped them until then, take the points and run. Lucky for us they shot themselves in the foot and had to take a FG in the end, but man why do that again?
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By Schfourteenteen
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Also, even though it doesnt matter, two or three times the refs caled a CCU incomplete pass a catch, even Hogue was like ehh he was out of bounds. What the heck is DELAY OF GAME on the KICKOFF to start the 2nd half? Facemask didnt need to be called, etc. Both ways, they just did not have a good grasp of how to officiate the game.
By Champion
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In the short term, Rashad downing the ball doesn't really matter. If he runs it in LU wins....if he downs it LU wins. To me the difference may be in the polls. Beating a 3-3 team by five does not rest well with the voters. Again, it looks like LU is playing a weak schedule and just getting by. Most voters will never know that LU "downed" he ball just short of the endzone. They will know that LU beat a very average Coastal team by only five points in a shootout. Perception is everything with voters ... not neccesarily the facts. On the flip side, LU DID win and now goes to 5-0 and will only leave the state of VA once the rest of the season. The possibilities are endless! Three wins on the road by 11 total points. I remember not so long ago when LU never won on the road and couldn't win the close ones!
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By RagingTireFire
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Champion wrote:To me the difference may be in the polls. Beating a 3-3 team by five does not rest well with the voters.
I can pretty much guarantee you that, on 3rd and short with one first down needed to win a huge conference game, absolutely no one on our sideline is thinking about the polls. If they are, they ought to be tasered.
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By Fumblerooskies
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I love it. Three years ago we were hoping for a win. Two years ago we were hoping for .500. A year ago...we just wanted to BEAT COASTAL. A week ago...we were just hoping to beat Coastal at their place. Now...we got people GRIPING b/c we only beat Coastal by 5 at their place. :roll:
By olldflame
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I get a kick out of people saying we couldn't "put them away". What does that mean anyway? How early do we expect the game to be "over"? When the clock showed 00:00 at the end of the 4th quarter we were ahead 43-38. It could have been 50-38 if we had chosen, but either way, we had "put them away" at the only point in the game that counts.
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By Mixitup
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RagingTireFire wrote:
Champion wrote:To me the difference may be in the polls. Beating a 3-3 team by five does not rest well with the voters.
I can pretty much guarantee you that, on 3rd and short with one first down needed to win a huge conference game, absolutely no one on our sideline is thinking about the polls. If they are, they ought to be tasered.
I understand you guy's reasoning for not scoring the TD. But, our theme this year is "Unfinished Business". I thought that meant getting to the playoffs. What makes you think we don't need to impress the voters in the polls? I guess everyone is okay with playing Elon on Nov 22 and calling it a season. There are a lot of good teams out there that would love to be in our position. Coach Rocco talked this past week about putting teams away. That did not happen at Coastal.
By olldflame
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If you are seriously worrying about those 7 points making the difference between our being in the playoffs or not, you are a sick man. Our "business" is to win football games anyway, not to impress voters in a poll. If we TCB there, the polls will be fine.
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By 01LUGrad
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olldflame wrote:I get a kick out of people saying we couldn't "put them away". What does that mean anyway? How early do we expect the game to be "over"? When the clock showed 00:00 at the end of the 4th quarter we were ahead 43-38. It could have been 50-38 if we had chosen, but either way, we had "put them away" at the only point in the game that counts.
You're right. The large yellow font made a difference there! I need to start using that tactic to get my point across from now on.
By Rocketfan
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olldflame wrote:If you are seriously worrying about those 7 points making the difference between our being in the playoffs or not, you are a sick man. Our "business" is to win football games anyway, not to impress voters in a poll. If we TCB there, the polls will be fine.
You are Old if you don't think majors polls for D-1 football don't have an effect on coaches and where teams rank each week. The problem is some voters on those polls didn't and wont watch this game. However when they see a 5 point win vs. a 12 pt win, sad or not it could very well make a difference in the vote we get. Our business according to Rocco was not to win football games but make the playoffs and win the conference outright.......to make the playoffs, those polls like it or not have an effect.
By olldflame
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You honestly believe that when Danny Rocco coined the phrase "Unfinished Business", he was talking about running up the score on our opponents to impress poll voters rather than taking games one at a time and doing what it takes to win? I DON"T.

As far as age is concerned. let's just say If I have to decide who's judgement I'm going to trust, give me an :oldhag over a young whipper-snapper every time.
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By Iwasneverhere
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olldflame wrote:As far as age is concerned. let's just say If I have to decide who's judgement I'm going to trust, give me an :oldhag over a young whipper-snapper every time.
Like my dad always says...."old age and tretchery will overcome youth and enthusiasum every time."
By Mixitup
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olldflame wrote:If you are seriously worrying about those 7 points making the difference between our being in the playoffs or not, you are a sick man. Our "business" is to win football games anyway, not to impress voters in a poll. If we TCB there, the polls will be fine.
What you are saying just doesn't make any sense. It's not a matter of whether those 7 points makes a difference or not, it's whether we can compete as a playoff caliber team. This was another game where we could not put the team away. That was not a dominating win. Maybe you should look at the teams that have made it to the playoffs in the past and how they have dominated games. That way you won't make such idiotic statements. We don't get the autobid so be better impress someone.
By olldflame
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Did you just call me an idiot????????????????????

:boxing
By olldflame
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I guess we need to bench RJ and fire Rocco, since they are both obviously out of touch with the realities of FCS football.
By Champion
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olldflame wrote:You honestly believe that when Danny Rocco coined the phrase "Unfinished Business", he was talking about running up the score on our opponents to impress poll voters rather than taking games one at a time and doing what it takes to win? I DON"T.

As far as age is concerned. let's just say If I have to decide who's judgement I'm going to trust, give me an :oldhag over a young whipper-snapper every time.
I hardly think scoring in the last two minutes when you're only up by five is "running up the score". Now, if LU was ahead by 20 or 30 in the same situation I might agree with you. I don't think you have any idea what "running up the score" means.
By Champion
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olldflame wrote:I guess we need to bench RJ and fire Rocco, since they are both obviously out of touch with the realities of FCS football.
Rocco had nothing to do with it and RJ just made a questionable decision. I don't think you need to go to exremes here.
By olldflame
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And (of course) YOU DO!! :nod

What is it?

While you're telling me that go ahead and tell me what "Putting them away" is.


And where does "putting them away" stop and "running up the score" begin?:dontgetit
By olldflame
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Champion wrote:
olldflame wrote:I guess we need to bench RJ and fire Rocco, since they are both obviously out of touch with the realities of FCS football.
Rocco had nothing to do with it and RJ just made a questionable decision. I don't think you need to go to exremes here.
Did you actually think I was SERIOUS??????????????????????? :roll:
By Mixitup
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olldflame wrote:I guess we need to bench RJ and fire Rocco, since they are both obviously out of touch with the realities of FCS football.
No. You are out of touch. I'm sure they had there reasons for doing what they did and we are all are just giving our opinion on how we feel about it. We all have our own views of what should have happened or would have liked to happen. Let's move on to SBU and beat them by 3 next week because we will be a lock for the playoffs. Might as well rest RJ, BS, DB,J five and a few more starters. We don't want to show what we are capable of.
By olldflame
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH the arrogance of youth!

(Bunch of wet-behind-the-ears knowitalls)
Coaching changes

It appears your intel was on the mark.