[SuperJon]

Why would they want a rivalry with a I-A team in one of the lowest rated conferences when they're in the ACC and already have established rivalries? I'm thinking you're drinking some big time Kool-Aid on this one. We may get a game every 3-4 years with one of em, but we'd have to be I-A for two decades before they came to Lynchburg. VT's fans outnumber Wake and Carolina fans on a general basis (at Wake and Carolina). There's no way they'd come here if they weren't required to, so unless we get in the ACC, there's no way they're coming here.

[paradox]

In order for one of them to come to our place, we would have to be an established IA program. That would be setting themselves up for suicide.

Not necessarily, UVA plays on the road at Middle Tennesee State this year.

[jcmanson]

In order for one of them to come to our place, we would have to be an established IA program. That would be setting themselves up for suicide.

Not necessarily, UVA plays on the road at Middle Tennesee State this year.

Umm, no they don't. They do play at Wyoming which was a stretch for them.

[paradox]

We would be more enticing to schedule as a I-A for everyone.

No doubt.

Also, they could hypothetically go soft and schedule as a 1A in addition to a 1AA and both would count toward eligibility.



I would like to pose this also: suppose two teams vying for a bowl spot have the same amount of bowl eligible wins and team one has one 1AA win and team two has only 1A wins. Assuming that everything else is equal in terms of schedule strength, who do you suppose would get the nod for the bowl?


...so in the final analysis, it would be more advantagous to play the 1A, if possible.

[jcmanson]

We would be more enticing to schedule as a I-A for everyone.

No doubt.

Also, they could hypothetically go soft and schedule as a 1A in addition to a 1AA and both would count toward eligibility.



I would like to pose this also: suppose two teams vying for a bowl spot have the same amount of bowl eligible wins and team one has one 1AA win and team two has only 1A wins. Assuming that everything else is equal in terms of schedule strength, who do you suppose would get the nod for the bowl?


...so in the final analysis, it would be more advantagous to play the 1A, if possible.

I have a better chance of winning the lottery, and I don't even play, than those circumstances happening because if it came down to that, one bowl would choose whoever they thought would bring more fans to the bowl game, not who played a IAA and who didnt. You have a good theory, but it's not realistic.

[SuperJon]

No, you're wrong.


Bowl games are relegated to conferences. The ACC has certain bowl tie-ins, the Big Ten does, etc. The only thing "overall record" has to do with bowl games is to determine bowl eligibility. After that, it goes to conference standing.


i.e. The Whatever Bowl - Big Ten #2 vs ACC #3

If UVA and say UNC both finished at 6-6 on the year, with UVA playing I-A Liberty and finishing 3-5 in conference and UNC playing I-AA Furman while finishing 4-6 in conference, UNC would get the better bowl because of where they finished in the conference.

[paradox]

In order for one of them to come to our place, we would have to be an established IA program. That would be setting themselves up for suicide.

Not necessarily, UVA plays on the road at Middle Tennesee State this year.

Umm, no they don't. They do play at Wyoming which was a stretch for them.

UVA is at Middle Tennessee on Oct. 6


Sat, Sep 1 at Wyoming 2:00 pm --
Sat, Sep 8 Duke 12:00 pm --
Sat, Sep 15 at North Carolina 12:00 pm --
Sat, Sep 22 Georgia Tech TBA --
Sat, Sep 29 Pittsburgh TBA --
Sat, Oct 6 at Middle Tennessee TBA --
Sat, Oct 13 Connecticut TBA --
Sat, Oct 20 at Maryland TBA --
Sat, Oct 27 at North Carolina State TBA --
Sat, Nov 3 (18) Wake Forest TBA --
Sat, Nov 10 at Miami (FL) TBA --
Sat, Nov 24 (19) Virginia Tech TBA


http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/vvb

[paradox]

Not necessarily, UVA plays on the road at Middle Tennesee State this year.

Umm, no they don't. They do play at Wyoming which was a stretch for them.

UVA is at Middle Tennessee on Oct. 6


Sat, Sep 1 at Wyoming 2:00 pm --
Sat, Sep 8 Duke 12:00 pm --
Sat, Sep 15 at North Carolina 12:00 pm --
Sat, Sep 22 Georgia Tech TBA --
Sat, Sep 29 Pittsburgh TBA --
Sat, Oct 6 at Middle Tennessee TBA --
Sat, Oct 13 Connecticut TBA --
Sat, Oct 20 at Maryland TBA --
Sat, Oct 27 at North Carolina State TBA --
Sat, Nov 3 (18) Wake Forest TBA --
Sat, Nov 10 at Miami (FL) TBA --
Sat, Nov 24 (19) Virginia Tech TBA


http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaaf/teams/vvb

Good point about Wyoming.

There is definetley some potential there, when they have games scheduled at Middle Tenneessee and at Wyoming!


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[paradox]

Why would they want a rivalry with a I-A team in one of the lowest rated conferences when they're in the ACC and already have established rivalries? I'm thinking you're drinking some big time Kool-Aid on this one. We may get a game every 3-4 years with one of em, but we'd have to be I-A for two decades before they came to Lynchburg. VT's fans outnumber Wake and Carolina fans on a general basis (at Wake and Carolina). There's no way they'd come here if they weren't required to, so unless we get in the ACC, there's no way they're coming here.

Simple arithmetic: dollars and cents. It makes the world go 'round.

[jcmanson]

Ok I'm wrong, I thought I looked at their schedule closer than I did, and assumed that would stick out to me. I've been too consumed with LU this summer than UVa though. You know what they say about assuming things.

[SuperJon]

Simple law: contracts.

The bowl committee cannot go against what they have contracted with the conferences.

[paradox]

No, you're wrong.


Bowl games are relegated to conferences. The ACC has certain bowl tie-ins, the Big Ten does, etc. The only thing "overall record" has to do with bowl games is to determine bowl eligibility. After that, it goes to conference standing.


i.e. The Whatever Bowl - Big Ten #2 vs ACC #3

If UVA and say UNC both finished at 6-6 on the year, with UVA playing I-A Liberty and finishing 3-5 in conference and UNC playing I-AA Furman while finishing 4-6 in conference, UNC would get the better bowl because of where they finished in the conference.

My point was: it does and will weigh in when all things are equal and the 1A versus the 1AA is the only disctinction. So, in the end it can be a deciding factor and it would be more advantagous to play the 1A, especially if the 1A turns out to be a quality win, but either way in some scenarios it will outweigh the 1AA win.

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[SuperJon]

How is it more advantageous? Conference record is what decides what bowl game you're in, not overall record.

[paradox]

Why would they want a rivalry with a I-A team in one of the lowest rated conferences when they're in the ACC and already have established rivalries? I'm thinking you're drinking some big time Kool-Aid on this one. We may get a game every 3-4 years with one of em, but we'd have to be I-A for two decades before they came to Lynchburg. VT's fans outnumber Wake and Carolina fans on a general basis (at Wake and Carolina). There's no way they'd come here if they weren't required to, so unless we get in the ACC, there's no way they're coming here.

Simple arithmetic: dollars and cents. It makes the world go 'round.

Again, situations that are finacially feasible and have the potential to be lucrative for both parties, tend to get negotiated. There is real potential there, and when the time is right, it will be thoroughly explored by all parties involved



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[SuperJon]

Why would we want our stadium to be taken over by VT fans? They'll all buy up season tickets and show up just for that one game. It'd be like we were in Blacksburg. I saw the Wake game three years ago where it was 75% VT fans. It was an embarrassment.

[paradox]

How is it more advantageous? Conference record is what decides what bowl game you're in, not overall record.

I'd imagine that two teams with identical records would need to have the tie broken in some way. I'd guess that a stronger out of conference schedule with no 1AA's would help your chances of winning the tie more than harming them.

[jcmanson]

How is it more advantageous? Conference record is what decides what bowl game you're in, not overall record.

I'd imagine that two teams with identical records would need to have the tie broken in some way. I'd guess that a stronger out of conference schedule with no 1AA's would help your chances of winning the tie more than harming them.

Look at my previous post, many times when it comes to a tie breaker, the bowls can choose who they want, who would be more advantageous to them i.e. selling more tickets, etc.

[SuperJon]

Hey, get this, if they have tied overall records, they go to conference record. Then, they have this nifty little thing called "Conference Tie Breakers" that determine conference seeding. Those little nifty conference tie breakers determine things when, get this, there's a tie.

[paradox]

Why would we want our stadium to be taken over by VT fans? They'll all buy up season tickets and show up just for that one game. It'd be like we were in Blacksburg. I saw the Wake game three years ago where it was 75% VT fans. It was an embarrassment.

They would buy up all of the season tickets

Having UVA and VT fans in our larger stadium would make for a great atmosphere. The majority would be LU if we were 1A and scheduled them here....c'mon

[paradox]

Hey, get this, if they have tied overall records, they go to conference record. Then, they have this nifty little thing called "Conference Tie Breakers" that determine conference seeding. Those little nifty conference tie breakers determine things when, get this, there's a tie.

what if the conference tie-breaker is a tie? Again, for the third time, I said "all things being equal."

I guess it could matter, huh?


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[SuperJon]

Why would we want our stadium to be taken over by VT fans? They'll all buy up season tickets and show up just for that one game. It'd be like we were in Blacksburg. I saw the Wake game three years ago where it was 75% VT fans. It was an embarrassment.

They would buy up all of the season tickets

Having UVA and VT fans in our larger stadium would make for a great atmosphere. The majority would be LU if we were 1A and scheduled them here....c'mon

They all bought up WFU season tickets and on tv it looked like a VT home game because VT fans were in WFU seats. That's not good for us. Sure, we'd make money, but at what expense?

It wouldn't be a great experience. It'd be 20,000 VT/UVA fans and 10,000 LU fans. How is that great?

[SuperJon]

Hey, get this, if they have tied overall records, they go to conference record. Then, they have this nifty little thing called "Conference Tie Breakers" that determine conference seeding. Those little nifty conference tie breakers determine things when, get this, there's a tie.

what if the conference tie-breaker is a tie? Again, for the third time, I said "all things being equal."

I guess it could matter, huh?


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So you're telling me that each one of them beat the same higher opponent, had the same point differential, scored the same amount, and gave up the same amount?

[paradox]

There are many ways to arrive at a tie, my friend. Think it through, I'm sure you'll figure it out

[SuperJon]

They have the same record, yes. Then, the tie breakers they go to, are things like, "Who beat a higher ranked team?", point differential, RPI, etc.

There's absolutely no way two teams would be exactly tied.

[paradox]

Statistically, it's improbable, but possible nonetheless, and things like these do occur from time to time, but rarely.