[olldflame]

I don't know if Jon's characterization of Kettie being "forced out" is accurate or not, but I can see where the situation with her being engaged to Charlie Skalaski IV (who is an assistant to Chadwell at Chuck South) was pretty uncomfortable, and she was leaving when they got married anyway

The whole clan has been brutal to Liberty on social media over the McCaw hire Charlie III basically said "They're dead to me"

[Purple Haize]

I don't know if Jon's characterization of Kettie being "forced out" is accurate or not, but I can see where the situation with her being engaged to Charlie Skalaski IV (who is an assistant to Chadwell at Chuck South) was pretty uncomfortable, and she was leaving when they got married anyway

The whole clan has been brutal to Liberty on social media over the McCaw hire Charlie III basically said "They're dead to me"

Yes. It's not proper to question your Betters

[Jonathan Carone]

I don't know if Jon's characterization of Kettie being "forced out" is accurate or not, but I can see where the situation with her being engaged to Charlie Skalaski IV (who is an assistant to Chadwell at Chuck South) was pretty uncomfortable, and she was leaving when they got married anyway

The whole clan has been brutal to Liberty on social media over the McCaw hire Charlie III basically said "They're dead to me"

They weren't planning to get married til next summer. They moved it up after things went down earlier this season.

[olldflame]

I don't know if Jon's characterization of Kettie being "forced out" is accurate or not, but I can see where the situation with her being engaged to Charlie Skalaski IV (who is an assistant to Chadwell at Chuck South) was pretty uncomfortable, and she was leaving when they got married anyway

The whole clan has been brutal to Liberty on social media over the McCaw hire Charlie III basically said "They're dead to me"

Yes. It's not proper to question your Betters

Questioning is one thing
Appointing yourself judge, jury and executioner of the twitterverse is another

[KingsKId]

Old flame I believe you are confused. It is common knowledge within the athletic department and outside as well, as evidenced by Jon's comment, that Kettie was "forced" out. I have been told by more than one person I interact with on campus that works in the athletic department that TG totally mismanaged the Kettie situation. So badly in fact that it wound up with lawyers involved and some type of settlement to Kettie in order to protect the university from liability due to TG's handling of it. These same people tell me that she did a great job and TG wanted her fired merely because she was engaged to Charlie Jr. Knowing those circumstances, it is understandable if Jr does not currently hold a high opinion of LU leadership. The statement you referenced about "LU is dead to me" was by Jr on his Twitter feed and given how his wife was treated, is somewhat understandable.

[ballcoach15]

Kettie did an excellent job. I wish she could have stayed.

As for Paul R, I have never seen him smile or speak to anyone. He seems to have zero personality.

[olldflame]

Old flame I believe you are confused. It is common knowledge within the athletic department and outside as well, as evidenced by Jon's comment, that Kettie was "forced" out. I have been told by more than one person I interact with on campus that works in the athletic department that TG totally mismanaged the Kettie situation. So badly in fact that it wound up with lawyers involved and some type of settlement to Kettie in order to protect the university from liability due to TG's handling of it. These same people tell me that she did a great job and TG wanted her fired merely because she was engaged to Charlie Jr. Knowing those circumstances, it is understandable if Jr does not currently hold a high opinion of LU leadership. The statement you referenced about "LU is dead to me" was by Jr on his Twitter feed and given how his wife was treated, is somewhat understandable.

Please read what I typed No confusion I said I don't know if she was forced out or not It may have been "common knowledge" in some places, but here in the Caribbean, not so much

I also don't know if the situation was "mishandled" or not, but let's not forget that the difficult circumstances which both Kettie and Liberty Football found themselves in only existed because TG gave her the opportunity at a very young age to be the only woman in her position in Division 1 football I can understand how he would feel somewhat betrayed and not be comfortable with her continuing in that role once she was engaged to marry Charlie, which created a HUGE conflict of interest That doesn't mean she did anything wrong or wasn't good at her job I suspect she probably got a very fair settlement

[Purple Haize]

Old flame I believe you are confused. It is common knowledge within the athletic department and outside as well, as evidenced by Jon's comment, that Kettie was "forced" out. I have been told by more than one person I interact with on campus that works in the athletic department that TG totally mismanaged the Kettie situation. So badly in fact that it wound up with lawyers involved and some type of settlement to Kettie in order to protect the university from liability due to TG's handling of it. These same people tell me that she did a great job and TG wanted her fired merely because she was engaged to Charlie Jr. Knowing those circumstances, it is understandable if Jr does not currently hold a high opinion of LU leadership. The statement you referenced about "LU is dead to me" was by Jr on his Twitter feed and given how his wife was treated, is somewhat understandable.

Please read what I typed No confusion I said I don't know if she was forced out or not It may have been "common knowledge" in some places, but here in the Caribbean, not so much

I also don't know if the situation was "mishandled" or not, but let's not forget that the difficult circumstances which both Kettie and Liberty Football found themselves in only existed because TG gave her the opportunity at a very young age to be the only woman in her position in Division 1 football I can understand how he would feel somewhat betrayed and not be comfortable with her continuing in that role once she was engaged to marry Charlie, which created a HUGE conflict of interest That doesn't mean she did anything wrong or wasn't good at her job I suspect she probably got a very fair settlement

Yes Let's blame the victim

[olldflame]

Old flame I believe you are confused. It is common knowledge within the athletic department and outside as well, as evidenced by Jon's comment, that Kettie was "forced" out. I have been told by more than one person I interact with on campus that works in the athletic department that TG totally mismanaged the Kettie situation. So badly in fact that it wound up with lawyers involved and some type of settlement to Kettie in order to protect the university from liability due to TG's handling of it. These same people tell me that she did a great job and TG wanted her fired merely because she was engaged to Charlie Jr. Knowing those circumstances, it is understandable if Jr does not currently hold a high opinion of LU leadership. The statement you referenced about "LU is dead to me" was by Jr on his Twitter feed and given how his wife was treated, is somewhat understandable.

Please read what I typed No confusion I said I don't know if she was forced out or not It may have been "common knowledge" in some places, but here in the Caribbean, not so much

I also don't know if the situation was "mishandled" or not, but let's not forget that the difficult circumstances which both Kettie and Liberty Football found themselves in only existed because TG gave her the opportunity at a very young age to be the only woman in her position in Division 1 football I can understand how he would feel somewhat betrayed and not be comfortable with her continuing in that role once she was engaged to marry Charlie, which created a HUGE conflict of interest That doesn't mean she did anything wrong or wasn't good at her job I suspect she probably got a very fair settlement

Yes Let's blame the victim

Assuming that you are referring to Kettie as the "victim", who victimized her
I am not sure on the timeline, but if they were already engaged when he took the job at CSU, it was Charlie who put her in the situation of having a conflict of interest

[jinxy]

Its a total conflict of interest. Little skalaski is an embarassment anyway. If he doesnt get a handle on his twitter usage it will likely burn him at some point.

[thepostman]

Man, this football program is so unorganized. It's hard telling what's going on. Don't worry our new AD will straighten things out!

[olldflame]

Would have been interesting to be a fly on the wall during little Charlie's job interview with Chadwell Did he simply fail to mention that his FIANCE is the Recruiting Coordinator at Liberty Not likely, since when they found out, it would have almost certainly been grounds for termination with cause So, assuming he knew, why would Chadwell apparently have no problem with the conflict of interest

Pretty simple IMHO As an assistant to an assistant at CSU, Charlie could consider himself lucky if the equipment he was issued did not include a "plumbers helper" to unstop the commodes in the locker room when a 300 pound lineman pinched off too big a loaf He would be on a "need to know" basis as far as anything sensitive is concerned, and he didn't need to know much Kettie on the other hand knew pretty much EVERYTHING about every prospect Liberty was recruiting It was a win-win for Jamie

[KingsKId]

yea, TG's paranoia over the relationship is clearly justified. The Kettie \ Charlie connection has clearly been the genesis of the decline of our football programm. CSU has defeated LU three years in a row, each defeat worse than the previous one. Doesn't look to me like Chadwell and his staff need any inside help from anyone to beat us. I wonder if young Skalaski is also the reason we have lost to GW and Monmouth over the last couple of years. If you think CSU was/is a recruiting threat to LU then you do not have a good grasp of college football. No one has a problem with TG's concerns, it's how he handled the situation. So poorly that our university had to mitigate it.

[olldflame]

yea, TG's paranoia over the relationship is clearly justified. The Kettie \ Charlie connection has clearly been the genesis of the decline of our football programm. CSU has defeated LU three years in a row, each defeat worse than the previous one. Doesn't look to me like Chadwell and his staff need any inside help from anyone to beat us. I wonder if young Skalaski is also the reason we have lost to GW and Monmouth over the last couple of years. If you think CSU was/is a recruiting threat to LU then you do not have a good grasp of college football. No one has a problem with TG's concerns, it's how he handled the situation. So poorly that our university had to mitigate it.

Nobody suggested any of the above, but none of those things change the very real COI which existed, and quite frankly I cannot imagine any leader finding a situation like that tenable with an employee privy to the extensive information Kettie had Whether she, as the person of character she by all reports is, would have shared that information is quite frankly irrelevant I know nothing about the specifics as to how TG "handled" it, but paying some sort of settlement in cases like this is not that unusual

Little Charlie had to know that taking the job at CSU was going to create a serious issue for Kettie He apparently didn't care It all could have been avoided by his thinking about her career instead of just his own and staying where he was as a D2 assistant another year

[Purple Haize]

yea, TG's paranoia over the relationship is clearly justified. The Kettie \ Charlie connection has clearly been the genesis of the decline of our football programm. CSU has defeated LU three years in a row, each defeat worse than the previous one. Doesn't look to me like Chadwell and his staff need any inside help from anyone to beat us. I wonder if young Skalaski is also the reason we have lost to GW and Monmouth over the last couple of years. If you think CSU was/is a recruiting threat to LU then you do not have a good grasp of college football. No one has a problem with TG's concerns, it's how he handled the situation. So poorly that our university had to mitigate it.

Nobody suggested any of the above, but none of those things change the very real COI which existed, and quite frankly I cannot imagine any leader finding a situation like that tenable with an employee privy to the extensive information Kettie had Whether she, as the person of character she by all reports is, would have shared that information is quite frankly irrelevant I know nothing about the specifics as to how TG "handled" it, but paying some sort of settlement in cases like this is not that unusual

Little Charlie had to know that taking the job at CSU was going to create a serious issue for Kettie He apparently didn't care It all could have been avoided by his thinking about her career instead of just his own and staying where he was as a D2 assistant another year

Wow. I always thought you had a better grasp of the coaching career path than this.
There isn't much of a COI in her position and his. If she was the OC you MIGHT have a case. And chances are this was going to be a 1 year deal
As a coach trying to move up you JUMP at the chance to get a D1 spot, and if you can hook your wagon to a rising star like Chadwell you do it.
Paying a settlement is VERY unusual in a case like this. They may have bought her out if she had a contract like the coaches But she was probably an 'At Will' employee thus she could be let go at any time for any reason
But of course they aren't the victims

[Jonathan Carone]

I don't know a terribly large amount about how things went down, but getting lawyers involved and paying a settlement to a non-contract employee isn't normal.

[olldflame]

yea, TG's paranoia over the relationship is clearly justified. The Kettie \ Charlie connection has clearly been the genesis of the decline of our football programm. CSU has defeated LU three years in a row, each defeat worse than the previous one. Doesn't look to me like Chadwell and his staff need any inside help from anyone to beat us. I wonder if young Skalaski is also the reason we have lost to GW and Monmouth over the last couple of years. If you think CSU was/is a recruiting threat to LU then you do not have a good grasp of college football. No one has a problem with TG's concerns, it's how he handled the situation. So poorly that our university had to mitigate it.

Nobody suggested any of the above, but none of those things change the very real COI which existed, and quite frankly I cannot imagine any leader finding a situation like that tenable with an employee privy to the extensive information Kettie had Whether she, as the person of character she by all reports is, would have shared that information is quite frankly irrelevant I know nothing about the specifics as to how TG "handled" it, but paying some sort of settlement in cases like this is not that unusual

Little Charlie had to know that taking the job at CSU was going to create a serious issue for Kettie He apparently didn't care It all could have been avoided by his thinking about her career instead of just his own and staying where he was as a D2 assistant another year

Wow. I always thought you had a better grasp of the coaching career path than this.
There isn't much of a COI in her position and his. If she was the OC you MIGHT have a case. And chances are this was going to be a 1 year deal
As a coach trying to move up you JUMP at the chance to get a D1 spot, and if you can hook your wagon to a rising star like Chadwell you do it.
Paying a settlement is VERY unusual in a case like this. They may have bought her out if she had a contract like the coaches But she was probably an 'At Will' employee thus she could be let go at any time for any reason
But of course they aren't the victims

I'll concede your point about catching on with Chadwell when he had the chance Hadn't thought of that angle I was thinking more along the lines of what a dumpster fire CSU is overall and the pitiful salary he is no doubt pulling down

Disagree on whether there was a COI with Kettie IMHO she had plenty of valuable information

I'll assume you have forgotten who our OC is Daley can give them his whole playbook as far as I'm concerned We didn't fool anybody one time in an entire season with it last year

I figured based on her title that Kettie was a contract employee I concede that a settlement is more unusual in that case

I'd be interested in knowing specifics on Gill's "handling" of the situation His reputation as an all around nice guy is pretty solid Once again I think we should not forget the incredible opportunity that TURNER GILL gave this very young person to be a literal pioneer as the first female Recruiting Coordinator ever in D1 football It's not an excuse for bad behavior, but human beings do tend to get emotional when they feel betrayed by someone they have been good to

[KingsKId]

You are a piece of work old flame. Twice you have used the term "betrayal" in referenencing Kettie. What was her betrayal, falling in love with somebody who she met while at Liberty. It would have been a betrayal if she passed along information inappropriately. She was never accused of that by anybody and in fact all of those on here who knew her think quite highly of her character . It is not troublesome to me that you kmow nothing about football ot the coaching industry, what is troubling is your blatant efforts to create a false impression. By the way, do you have any idea how many coaching families there are in college football and the NFL who routinely oppose each other, and those are actual coaches. Kettie worked the administrative side of recruiting, she did not ever sit in any football meetings,. You go ahead and continue to look through the rose colored glasses and belief what you want. By the way this thread started talking about the "new" coaching staff and the concern of many with its composition. I will use your own words, "the dumpster fire that is CSU" just got done embarrassing LU for the third year in a row. Thanks for affirming our position.

[jinxy]

Arguing over nothing. Almost everyone but haize wants gill gone. It can also be a conflict of interest at the same time. Its big boy athletics. If your gonna get your feelings hurt get out. Plus skalaski is toxic and has proven his character on twitter repeatedly.

[Purple Haize]

Arguing over nothing. Almost everyone but haize wants gill gone. It can also be a conflict of interest at the same time. Its big boy athletics. If your gonna get your feelings hurt get out. Plus skalaski is toxic and has proven his character on twitter repeatedly.

Ironically Junior and I are on the same page with this. Which I am sure will give him pause and he will reconsider!
I think he's just keeping a seat warm at this point which is unfortunate

[olldflame]

You are a piece of work old flame. Twice you have used the term "betrayal" in referenencing Kettie. What was her betrayal, falling in love with somebody who she met while at Liberty. It would have been a betrayal if she passed along information inappropriately. She was never accused of that by anybody and in fact all of those on here who knew her think quite highly of her character . It is not troublesome to me that you kmow nothing about football ot the coaching industry, what is troubling is your blatant efforts to create a false impression. By the way, do you have any idea how many coaching families there are in college football and the NFL who routinely oppose each other, and those are actual coaches. Kettie worked the administrative side of recruiting, she did not ever sit in any football meetings,. You go ahead and continue to look through the rose colored glasses and belief what you want. By the way this thread started talking about the "new" coaching staff and the concern of many with its composition. I will use your own words, "the dumpster fire that is CSU" just got done embarrassing LU for the third year in a row. Thanks for affirming our position.

To user your own term Purple "phrasing" I never said betrayed, nor was I even referring to anything Kettie did or did not do I indicated I could see how TG FELT BETRAYED big difference the guy is human I was also careful to say that COI has nothing to do with actual wrongdoing just because no info was passed on does not mean there is not COI

I thought I was also very clear to separate CSU football from CSU in general What Chadwell has done there is amazing

Look back at what I posted and tell me one bad thing I said about Kettie NUNCA! (excuse the lapse into Spanish, but I felt it}

[Purple Haize]

You are a piece of work old flame. Twice you have used the term "betrayal" in referenencing Kettie. What was her betrayal, falling in love with somebody who she met while at Liberty. It would have been a betrayal if she passed along information inappropriately. She was never accused of that by anybody and in fact all of those on here who knew her think quite highly of her character . It is not troublesome to me that you kmow nothing about football ot the coaching industry, what is troubling is your blatant efforts to create a false impression. By the way, do you have any idea how many coaching families there are in college football and the NFL who routinely oppose each other, and those are actual coaches. Kettie worked the administrative side of recruiting, she did not ever sit in any football meetings,. You go ahead and continue to look through the rose colored glasses and belief what you want. By the way this thread started talking about the "new" coaching staff and the concern of many with its composition. I will use your own words, "the dumpster fire that is CSU" just got done embarrassing LU for the third year in a row. Thanks for affirming our position.

To user your own term Purple "phrasing" I never said betrayed, nor was I even referring to anything Kettie did or did not do I indicated I could see how TG FELT BETRAYED big difference the guy is human I was also careful to say that COI has nothing to do with actual wrongdoing just because no info was passed on does not mean there is not COI

I thought I was also very clear to separate CSU football from CSU in general What Chadwell has done there is amazing

Look back at what I posted and tell me one bad thing I said about Kettie NUNCA! (excuse the lapse into Spanish, but I felt it}

You used "Phrasing!" wrong, but you are old so I'll let it go

[ballcoach15]

Good post above oldflame reference "not fooling anyone".


I never thought much of Little Charlie. Can't believe he got a college coaching job, anywhere. Heck, I could not have believed he could get a high school or youth league job.
I think CSU hired him just for intel purposes on Liberty.

[Jonathan Carone]

You may not like Charlie IV's attitude or personality, but the kid knows what he's talking about football wise. He's grown up in a football family and has always had more of a desire to coach than play. He and David Rocco are very similar in that aspect and are both Division I assistant coaches in their early/mid 20's. That's pretty impressive.

[Purple Haize]

You may not like Charlie IV's attitude or personality, but the kid knows what he's talking about football wise. He's grown up in a football family and has always had more of a desire to coach than play. He and David Rocco are very similar in that aspect and are both Division I assistant coaches in their early/mid 20's. That's pretty impressive.

ballcoach doesn't like anybody