[FlamesHighontheTide]

Also for the record, Gill is the man for this job! That is my honest opinion and the last two years injuries I truly believe have hindered our true potential. Most notably the offensive line. I would personally like to see Gill get two more years and if we see 6-5 records and no playoffs this year and the next two years then sure fire him. I think Gill is going to fix the O-Line depth this recruiting class. We just got dealt a bad hand over the last two to three years with guys stepping away from football and injuries on the O-Line.

[Purple Haize]

At this point is Turner Gill really a big "name"?

Yeah. I hear what you are saying. But he's big enough.

[Purple Haize]

I would not be averse to going the D2 or D3 route. There are some very successful coaches at both those levels who I think could make the transition to D1...

That's not the LU way so it's a non starter

[FlamesHighontheTide]

On a more exciting note, guess who gets to play Coastal on National TV again??? We do, ESPN News picked us up for their thursday night game!

[rtb72]

I love how yall have already closed the book on playoffs for this team and this year.

KSU could possibly beat CSU.

We can beat coastal and I believe if we beat coastal we get an at-large bid with 7 D1 wins! I know I drink the kool-aid but this years playoff bubble is no where near as strong as the last few years.

Let's not sink the ship "of playoffs" until there is no chance what so ever.

Because as we sit here tonight, there is still a HUGE chance.

Let's say we do by some very lucky chance make the playoffs.....do we think we can compete? More importantly, is this the way we want to make the playoffs every year? Sadly, I don't think so. We will see the same same play calling and game plan there as we have seen in regular season.

And yes, we can stick with Gill and this staff for two more years, but as we continue to diminish... so goes support, attendance, etc. Just how effective will we be recruiting talent which we have shown we do nothing with? There are implications to continuing to kick the can down the road.....in our case, they are pejorative.

[Purple Haize]

I love how yall have already closed the book on playoffs for this team and this year.

KSU could possibly beat CSU.

We can beat coastal and I believe if we beat coastal we get an at-large bid with 7 D1 wins! I know I drink the kool-aid but this years playoff bubble is no where near as strong as the last few years.

Let's not sink the ship "of playoffs" until there is no chance what so ever.

Because as we sit here tonight, there is still a HUGE chance.

Let's say we do by some very lucky chance make the playoffs.....do we think we can compete? More importantly, is this the way we want to make the playoffs every year? Sadly, I don't think so. We will see the same same play calling and game plan there as we have seen in regular season.

And yes, we can stick with Gill and this staff for two more years, but as we continue to diminish... so goes support, attendance, etc. Just how effective will we be recruiting talent which we have shown we do nothing with? There are implications to continuing to kick the can down the road.....in our case, they are pejorative.

You are assuming LU will diminish

[Jonathan Carone]

There's nothing showing we'd get any better. Gill's entire career is average save for the two years he's backed into a league title (one at Buffalo and one here). After nearly 15 years as a head coach, patterns become fairly obvious. The only saving grace is Chadwell should be gone after this year.

[BJWilliams]

I would not be averse to going the D2 or D3 route. There are some very successful coaches at both those levels who I think could make the transition to D1...

That's not the LU way so it's a non starter[/quote]
At this point we would need to re-evaluate the "LU way", especially when it comes to hiring the biggest of the Big 3 sports.

[Purple Haize]

There's nothing showing we'd get any better. Gill's entire career is average save for the two years he's backed into a league title (one at Buffalo and one here). After nearly 15 years as a head coach, patterns become fairly obvious. The only saving grace is Chadwell should be gone after this year.

Still saying LU 'backed into the Playoffs'. What a joke. If LU makes the playoffs this year they certainly backed into it. This year was going to look a lot like this regardless of what happened last year. So I see no reason not to see improvement and a playoff bid next year.

[Purple Haize]

I would not be averse to going the D2 or D3 route. There are some very successful coaches at both those levels who I think could make the transition to D1...

That's not the LU way so it's a non starter

At this point we would need to re-evaluate the "LU way", especially when it comes to hiring the biggest of the Big 3 sports.[/quote]

'We'? I'm not on any hiring panel

[rtb72]

I love how yall have already closed the book on playoffs for this team and this year.

KSU could possibly beat CSU.

We can beat coastal and I believe if we beat coastal we get an at-large bid with 7 D1 wins! I know I drink the kool-aid but this years playoff bubble is no where near as strong as the last few years.

Let's not sink the ship "of playoffs" until there is no chance what so ever.

Because as we sit here tonight, there is still a HUGE chance.

Let's say we do by some very lucky chance make the playoffs.....do we think we can compete? More importantly, is this the way we want to make the playoffs every year? Sadly, I don't think so. We will see the same same play calling and game plan there as we have seen in regular season.

And yes, we can stick with Gill and this staff for two more years, but as we continue to diminish... so goes support, attendance, etc. Just how effective will we be recruiting talent which we have shown we do nothing with? There are implications to continuing to kick the can down the road.....in our case, they are pejorative.

You are assuming LU will diminish

Based on recent trends....there is nothing indicative otherwise. I would like nothing better than something to manifest which might lend to a long term vision and hope, but it's not there in this staff. If we play for nothing more than a POSSIBLE autobid every year...that's not progressing, that's surviving (maybe) to play one PO game. GW, KState, are getting closer (one might argue better) every year...it's not going to get easier. We can stick with Gill another year, two years, or even five years, but you're getting what your going to get...and that's ok if that's all you want.

TG is a good recruiter...it may be argued he is a great recruiter. Return on investment matters, and I'm not talking about just finances and salaries.

[Jonathan Carone]

At this point we would need to re-evaluate the "LU way", especially when it comes to hiring the biggest of the Big 3 sports.

We already have. Our last hires in basketball and baseball have been P5 assistant coaches, not head coaches who had recently been fired. Rocco and Toman fit that mold as well. That's a better route to take than the recently fired big name.

[rtb72]

There's nothing showing we'd get any better. Gill's entire career is average save for the two years he's backed into a league title (one at Buffalo and one here). After nearly 15 years as a head coach, patterns become fairly obvious. The only saving grace is Chadwell should be gone after this year.

Still saying LU 'backed into the Playoffs'. What a joke. If LU makes the playoffs this year they certainly backed into it. This year was going to look a lot like this regardless of what happened last year. So I see no reason not to see improvement and a playoff bid next year.

Although that argument might be somewhat conflicted with our below expectation performance last year, which saw one of the most talent rich teams in recent LU history WATCHING the playoffs.

[rtb72]

There's nothing showing we'd get any better. Gill's entire career is average save for the two years he's backed into a league title (one at Buffalo and one here). After nearly 15 years as a head coach, patterns become fairly obvious. The only saving grace is Chadwell should be gone after this year.

Still saying LU 'backed into the Playoffs'. What a joke. If LU makes the playoffs this year they certainly backed into it. This year was going to look a lot like this regardless of what happened last year. So I see no reason not to see improvement and a playoff bid next year.

Although that argument might be somewhat conflicted with our below expectation performance last year, which saw one of the most talent rich teams in recent LU history WATCHING the playoffs.

My bad...you addressed that in your full statement. But, I think last year's results are indicative of what we are talking about here. Even with the talent.....what do we see them doing with it. Reference back to last year as example.

[BJWilliams]

I think for football I wouldn't even go P5 assistant...or even G5 assistant Jon...like I said above, I would go for a successful D2 or D3 coach, and there are some young ones out there to be had

[TerraCottaGamer]

Perhaps the end of the Turner Gill era

Here is hoping. This team has been terrible all year when it came to games in which they were expected to step up. Gill simply did not get it done.

[TerraCottaGamer]

I love how yall have already closed the book on playoffs for this team and this year.

KSU could possibly beat CSU.

We can beat coastal and I believe if we beat coastal we get an at-large bid with 7 D1 wins! I know I drink the kool-aid but this years playoff bubble is no where near as strong as the last few years.

Let's not sink the ship "of playoffs" until there is no chance what so ever.

Because as we sit here tonight, there is still a HUGE chance.

Even if we get a bid we will shrink in the face of the challange. There has not been one moment, let alone one game, this year in which this team, the coaching staff and Turner Gill has stepped up and performed. Not one. So, tbh, I don't know if I want this team in the playoffs because that will lead to a high profile drumming just like we took tonight.

[Just John]

It looked halfway through the 3rd qtr tonight the team had given up on Gill,

LU was on D and yet another CSU player wasn't getting up after the play. It started to get a bit chippy, tempers were flaring and a a couple LU players started to square off with CSU players. Gill ran out to midfield and even from the top of the Baptist side you could clearly hear Gill yelling for the team to get off the field. After yelling for the third time the defense finally responded and huddled together near the sidelines. That is all except Jollo who stood about 7 yards away by himself. Gill yelled over to Jollo to join the huddle but Jollo, making eye contact and acknowledging he heard Gill, clearly wasn't having it. Gill then had to break away from the rest of the D team to go get him.

[Jonathan Carone]

I think for football I wouldn't even go P5 assistant...or even G5 assistant Jon...like I said above, I would go for a successful D2 or D3 coach, and there are some young ones out there to be had

You always take such a hard line when there doesn't have to be. If the right D2 guy is out there then sure, I'm all for it. But if an assistant at an ACC or SEC school is ready and interested, we'd be crazy not to listen. It's about getting the best available candidate. In the past we've put ourselves in a box by trying to make a splash. Hopefully moving forward we will go after whoever is best for the program, not the press conference.

[Dalegarz1]

I agree with Jon, I'm tired of "press conference hires". There has to be better football minds out there who are spiritual leaders, as well. What generates long term interest are RESULTS not a big name(CSU,CCU, for example). We need fresh blood with a high football IQ to take us to the next level. I was positive that this game would reveal some offensive creativity that hasn't been seen the entire year. It was not to be! What we got was the same vanilla approach and CSU handled it easily and they were the team that broke some tendencies (use of tight end).

[TH Spangler]

4-1 with a freshman OB and a injury riddle OL. We actually did better than I expected. I'm sure the recruiting staff is all ready searching for more OL depth.

It will be interesting to see where Jamey Chadwell lands next season. Vanderbilt? The way his team rebounded from their silly NCAA violation and QB injuries is impressive.

[Jonathan Carone]

First off, Chadwell isn't going to the SEC.

Second, 4-1 in the Big South is not impressive. It was baseline expected. Our league is not good. If we didn't win four league games then we were in worse shape than we thought.

[thepostman]

Again this is more about the entire body of work and trends that never seem to be corrected than the results of this year alone.

I know some people say we can't hold the money Turner Gill gets paid against him but that's not reality. No matter the job if your salary is significantly higher than your peers you are going to be expected to produce more. I don't know why that is such an insane idea.

The only line of work that isn't the case is probably GS civilians working for the government. Do we really want to model our program after our joke of a government?

[FlamesHighontheTide]

I can't wait for us to be in the playoffs and then win a round 1 game. Because, then what will all of y'all say? #1. We didn't back in to the playoffs in 2014, we beat Coastal and took care of business against JMU who y'all on the forum said well we will pull a Liberty and lose cuz thats what we do. Then, we lost by 7 to a very good Villanova team. Guys, don't be such debby-downers. Trust me it's not worth it nor does it make the moments when we win or when we make the playoffs as enjoyable as they should be. When we beat coastal and make the playoffs for the 2nd time in 5 years that is special. Rocco was here for 6 and he got robbed of atleast 1. Nevertheless making the playoffs is making the playoffs in my book. Y'all have a great sunday.

[thepostman]

How long should we hold onto that year?

I'm not being a Debbie downer. Just a realist