[Purple Haize]

These "contradictions" seem pretty small to me.

It makes sense why Dailey blames the QB and Gill would say it's both the WRs and QB.

He's our resident 'Mountain Out of a Mole Hill' man

Agreed...its one thing to be fair and balanced even as a fan...this is not what I would call fair and balanced

This from our resident Where are the Pot and Kettle emoji's?

[LUnpretty11]

Agreed...its one thing to be fair and balanced even as a fan...this is not what I would call fair and balanced

This from our resident Where are the Pot and Kettle emoji's?

Gold Jerry! Gold!

[LUnpretty11]

Is there a quarterback controversy brewing?

http://www.aseaofred.com/is-there-a-qua ... y-brewing/

Stirring the pot, much?

[BJWilliams]

As I said in the VT postmortem, as bad a performance as that was by Masha, the only controversy is the one being crafted on this board at this point

[Jonathan Carone]

I'm not making a mountain out of the comments. I'm saying it's interesting. You don't generally hear assistant coaches say things that contradict their head coaches. Stamn routinely did it last year and Dailey is doing it again.

[LUnpretty11]

I'm not making a mountain out of the comments. I'm saying it's interesting. You don't generally hear assistant coaches say things that contradict their head coaches. Stamn routinely did it last year and Dailey is doing it again.

I think you're looking into it too much. If it was like this:
Gill: "Calvert won't play unless Masha is injured"
Dailey: "Calvert will get a series or more a game because he needs game experience"

Then I would agree with you, but it's not that clear cut.

You've brought it to the attention, so I'm sure we will all look out for it moving forward.

[Jonathan Carone]

I read it as Gill saying it would be one series and Dailey saying they hadn't finished the game plan for the week and it would depend on where they landed with that. To me, based on the comments and things I've been told, it feels like there's an organizational disconnect between the different parts of the team. There's no one over arching leader overseeing and leading everything.

[ballcoach15]

Does anyone have a "scouting report" on Jacksonville ?

[olldflame]

Is there a quarterback controversy brewing?

http://www.aseaofred.com/is-there-a-qua ... y-brewing/

Stirring the pot, much?

Testing the waters to see if the name change has had the desired effect

[LUnpretty11]

I read it as Gill saying it would be one series and Dailey saying they hadn't finished the game plan for the week and it would depend on where they landed with that. To me, based on the comments and things I've been told, it feels like there's an organizational disconnect between the different parts of the team. There's no one over arching leader overseeing and leading everything.

Maybe, but those two statements you just spoke to do not rely on each other to be true. Gill wants one series. Dailey isn't finished with the game plan yet, which means things could change. I don't see a problem with that at all. Gill is the overarching leader. He is delegating to his coordinators to lead and complete the game plans. One could see this as the ship is being run as it should be because Gill shouldn't have to outline the details - that's the coordinators job, right?

[olldflame]

Does anyone have a "scouting report" on Jacksonville ?

In a word, NO

They have a new coaching staff and 52 Freshmen on the roster We know from what their coach did at other jobs that they will likely run an option offense That's pretty much it

[Jonathan Carone]

Nick - your post is why I added the part about what others around the program have said. On its own, the contradictions are exactly what you're saying. When you put them in the context of a program that's an organizational mess, you begin to see patterns and trends.

[Purple Haize]

Nick - your post is why I added the part about what others around the program have said. On its own, the contradictions are exactly what you're saying. When you put them in the context of a program that's an organizational mess, you begin to see patterns and trends.

Didn't you say earlier you haven't had as much feedback since Brown came on board? Plus, even if what you say is accurate those statements don't lend themselves to proof. You really are making a mountain out of a mole hill on this one

[Jonathan Carone]

I hadn't heard much until the past week or so. Going into Tech and especially after that game more people started reaching out passing along info. I try to post as much of it as I can in as much detail as I can but until two people tell me the same thing, I can't say some things because they're traceable. And you know better than most on here how people are treated if they talk.

[Purple Haize]

I hadn't heard much until the past week or so. Going into Tech and especially after that game more people started reaching out passing along info. I try to post as much of it as I can in as much detail as I can but until two people tell me the same thing, I can't say some things because they're traceable. And you know better than most on here how people are treated if they talk.

Dissenters are sent to re education camps. We all know that!

I'm not saying he's organized or not. But these statements are innocuous at best. Now had they said
Gill 'Calvert is going to play one or two snaps '
OC 'We are going to split the snaps equally'
Or
Gill 'I want to make sure we utilize the running attack with Masha'
OC 'Our best chance to win is the passing game and I think you will see a lot of Calvert towards that end'
Then yeah, you got issues. But right now? Nothing

[Jonathan Carone]

I'm not saying there's blatant insubordination or anything. It just seems they're not on the same page, at least not offensively. I wish I would've tracked last year's so I could display the pattern more.

[Purple Haize]

I'm not saying there's blatant insubordination or anything. It just seems they're not on the same page, at least not offensively. I wish I would've tracked last year's so I could display the pattern more.

From those 2 statements? Yeah you are reading way too much in to that. Now may the OC be in Calverts camp and Gill in Masha's camp? Absolutely. But so what? Happens all the time at all levels in every sport

[Jonathan Carone]

Cmon dude. You know I wouldn't post something over two statements. That's why I've mentioned it happened going back to last year. One person mentioned to me they weren't sure if Gill knew what he was talking about when it came to the specifics. A pattern dating back over another season would point to the disconnect.

[Purple Haize]

Cmon dude. You know I wouldn't post something over two statements. That's why I've mentioned it happened going back to last year. One person mentioned to me they weren't sure if Gill knew what he was talking about when it came to the specifics. A pattern dating back over another season would point to the disconnect.

Ok I'm not sure too many football coaches are that familiar with the specifics. I don't have a problem with that That's why I don't see a problem with those statements. Do you think Gill knows the specifics of what the Defense is going to do? He doesn't coach special teams any more so he probably doesn't know those specifics either ( but based on their play Saturday an argument could be made no one in the kicking game does ). Gills laying out his overall thoughts and leaving it to the Coordinators to flesh out. Seems normal to me

[LUnpretty11]

Cmon dude. You know I wouldn't post something over two statements. That's why I've mentioned it happened going back to last year. One person mentioned to me they weren't sure if Gill knew what he was talking about when it came to the specifics. A pattern dating back over another season would point to the disconnect.

Ok I'm not sure too many football coaches are that familiar with the specifics. I don't have a problem with that That's why I don't see a problem with those statements. Do you think Gill knows the specifics of what the Defense is going to do? He doesn't coach special teams any more so he probably doesn't know those specifics either ( but based on their play Saturday an argument could be made no one in the kicking game does ). Gills laying out his overall thoughts and leaving it to the Coordinators to flesh out. Seems normal to me

Jon - I can see where you're coming from and I know you don't make this stuff up or pull it out of your... thin air. However, I need to see/hear more concrete contradiction to say there is complete disorganization going on within the coaching staff. I would be shocked if that was the case. Not saying it's impossible, but Gill doesn't come across as one to be disorganized in the least bit.

PH - This is how I see it playing out as well. Gill doesn't micromanage and trusts his coordinators to get the job done. A good coach is able to facilitate from that level and I can appreciate that about his style.

My gut says it's Gill allowing his coordinators and staff to deal with the details while he steers everyone in the same direction. Seems like we may be digging for something here. Just saying.

EDIT: If "A Sea of Red" comes on here and posts their next write up about speculation on disunity among the coaching staff then you all should fire yourselves because we all know the QB controversy was spurred on by this board. Don't feed the beast!!

[LUalum12]

Either way, call it a contradiction or something else this coaching staff consistently gets out coached on game day. Turner Gill is a great man but that doesn't always translate in to a well organized or fundamentally sound head coach.

[LUnpretty11]

Either way, call it a contradiction or something else this coaching staff consistently gets out coached on game day. Turner Gill is a great man but that doesn't always translate in to a well organized or fundamentally sound head coach.

I could just as easily debunk that sweeping statement by pointing out how we don't get consistently out coached. However, I'm not going to turn a game thread into a "is Gill the man for the job?" thread. We already have one of those.

[TDDance234]

I've got no confidence that Masha can lead this offense. We're limited to the screen game and read-option with Masha back there, IMO.

Perhaps we purposefully kept the gameplan vanilla against Tech but dropping Masha back repeatedly is a recipe for a disaster. If we're not going to run play action and/or get him on the edge, we're going to struggle offensively for the rest of the season.

Despite giving up 400+ yards against VT, I thought our defense played pretty well. We, of course, won't face a skill group quite like the Hokies again. Should be fun to watch them continue to get better.

[R i]

Another contradiction from yesterday:

Gill said the problems at Tech were on the QB and the WRs.

Dailey said the problems were all on the QB.

This is not true. Here is a quote from Dailey in the article posted by SOA.

Was it all Masha’s fault? Offensive Coordinator Joe Dailey doesn’t think so. “I think it was some 1st and 2nd down issues where we had false started, which put us back 5 or 10 yards at a time,” Dailey said. “So, you’re trying to call plays on 2nd and 3rd down, and you still got 15 yards. It ain’t easy. Then, you’re asking (Masha) to push the ball down the field when they’re playing coverages that are designed to stop the long distance routes…It wasn’t just a Stephon Masha thing. A lot of it has to do with Virginia Tech and what they do.”

I realize your going to start in on Coach Gill for not being organized, and I apologize if someone else has called you out for this later in the thread, I have not read. Come on Man, that was a stretch and not nearly credible enough to start the fire Gill Campaign after the season Its ridiculous.

[R i]

About this game :

They were 9-2 last year, and beat Delaware on the road their first game of the season last year. This is their first game of the season. I would take Jacksonville +20.5. New Coach, unfamiliar systems.