Anything and everything about Liberty Flames football. Your comments on games, recruiting and the direction of the program as we move into new era.

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By PAmedic
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#35204
can you post his bio to refresh our collective memories?

remember, I'm old and getting senile.

BTW- I'm home- the loud mouth Yankee and his hottie wife made it outta the scary South alive
By SuperJon
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#35205
I don't know where I would find it.
By SuperJon
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#35208
Here is the dealio. My boy Scott left because Karcher was lame and a loser. Rocco is a winner and a competitor. Scott has several records for kicking at LU despite only playing for a year. Now if we get 500 people to join we can have a kicker who will help us win games and will be able to actually make a 30 yard field goal and even better an extra point. Not too mention, he is the man. Peace.
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By PAmedic
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#35210
umm- don't mean to be the downer here- but THAT kinda bio aint gonna cut it.

who wrote that- some old hippie from Peter, Paul and Mary or what?
By SuperJon
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#35215
A buddy of mine. I'm looking at the media guide now.

2nd most extra points ever (9 vs Norfolk St, 2003)
4th most points (15 vs Norfolk St)
5th most points for a kicker in 2003 (66)
3rd most field goals in a year (11 in 2003)
5th in Consecutive extra points (28 )
2nd in freshman score (66)
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By Sly Fox
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#35217
It depends on how things went down with the team when he left the last time. If the team is open top the idea than I'll bet Coach karcher would give him a chance.
By SuperJon
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#35219
You mean Rocco. He left because of Karcher.
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By Sly Fox
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#35223
Freudian slip. Yeah, I meant Rocco giving him another opportunity. I have a feeling some of the players might've had issues with him leaving before. But with all of the changes, that may be past history. We obviously need someone to kick. Ben's confidence is completely gone by all indications.

And while on the subject, count me among those who don't want to pile on Ben. I'm sure no one on campus was as upset & disappointed in yesterday as Ben. But he is LU family and I don't like us turning on each other. He may not be the answer at placekicking ... but he's still a Flame.
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By HarrisburgFlame
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#35248
I am almost 100% positive Broack was recruited by Towson to be a punter not a PK. The kick Ben had blocked in the third came off his foot like a "chunked" 3 iron. If any of our lineman had stood straight up they would have blocked it with their backs. On the final kick - ben did a nice job of getting the ball up - he hit it strong - just missed it.

Bottom line is - I feel awful for the guy. We've all had days where we just can't make anything happen. But at the end of the day it's about results. The results of our kicking game the last two years have been flat out pitiful. Not that I am some genius but I mentioned after the home opener that our shaky place kicking was going to kill us. I am sure the coaches knew that as well. Rocco made the right call going for the game winner on the kick instead of going for it on fourth and five.

Who wants to wager on what the top recruiting priority for 2007 will be????
By SuperJon
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#35249
A few passes not overthrown and we wouldn't have to worry about the kicker.
By SuperJon
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#35250
Wow, I didn't know Ben was married. Learn something new everyday.
By TDDance234
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#35268
Once you've lost your confidence as a kicker, you're not much help to the team.

If you have no confidence in making the easy one, you're not going to make anything happen with the game on the line. I part half the blame on him for missing the field goal but the other half goes to Rocco for putting him in that situation with everything riding on him.
By thepostman
#35270
ben isn't married...one of those crazy facebook things...he lives with a friend of mine, i have never met ben...but yeah, he;s not married
By SuperJon
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#35272
So much for Facebook. Facebook used to be reliable, now Facebook lies to me. This makes me, unhappy, Facebook. Where have you gone? You're starting to be as reliable as MySpace.
By thepostman
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haha, i think it all started when the newsfeed came into play....now people like messing with people because as soon as something changes all your friends know.....
By thepostman
#36154
SuperJon wrote:So much for Facebook. Facebook used to be reliable, now Facebook lies to me. This makes me, unhappy, Facebook. Where have you gone? You're starting to be as reliable as MySpace.
I am going to have to correct myself, my friend is roommates with Doug not Ben...Him and I were doing our radio show tonight and I was like how's your roommate?? and he is like, oh my roommate is Doug not Ben....and so in turn I felt pretty dumb....
By BurningFlame
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#36157
I feel aweful for Ben, he's had a pretty tough year so far...I guess i kinda can see where coach was coming from. Late in the game, kid has missed a couple early field goals, give him a chance to be a hero and maybe get his confidence back. But i'm afraid it may have backfired and now i just don't see the poor kid getting over this, at this point i'd be happy to see anyone who can split the uprights jsut a decent percentage.
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By bozlady
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#36162
thepostman wrote:ben isn't married...one of those crazy facebook things...he lives with a friend of mine, i have never met ben...but yeah, he;s not married
Well, I personally know Ben AND his wife. She is the sweeetest girl on earth!!! So yes indeed, Ben is married and has been a little over a year.
By Rocketfan
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#36166
thepostman wrote:ben isn't married...one of those crazy facebook things...he lives with a friend of mine, i have never met ben...but yeah, he;s not married
My wife works with bens wife......i also think he is the only married football player on the team.
By auntieann
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#36186
Brock was the high school kicker, and could do a fine job I am sure... Let him try why not..
By Stevev
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#36187
could he handle QB and kicker duties at the same time.
By auntieann
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#36191
Hey guys, yep he was kicker, Safety, punter, and QB in Highschool, plus an outstanding Baseball player. Plus Basketball...
By #10
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#36195
Bens wife is a sweetee. I've had the honor sharing a few meals with them. They are a great christian couple with a heart for serving the Lord.
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By RagingTireFire
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#36224
Bunch o' things here:

Ben is married. Sweet girl.

Anyone who was actually around for the "Kiovsky Era" knows that he was one of the worst kickers -- present company included -- in LU history. He was so bad that Karcher would not even send him out on the field unless we were on the 15-yard line or closer. He had a 30-yard range max. Anyone who saw Kiovsky attempt that 50-yarder v Hofstra at the end of regulation in '03 knows what I'm talking about. That thing dropped around the 10-yard line and bounced through the end zone. If Hofstra had had someone back there, they could have returned it. Kiovsky had a kicking demeanor that would make rabid squirrels look downright comatose, that is to say he was absolutely terrified when he went out on the field. Most of the players absolutely hated him b/c, while the other guys were beating each other up in practice, Kiovsky would stand on the sidelines and complain about everything, usually about some sort of nagging -- and usually shifting -- injury that he was battling through. Kiovsky put the 'me' in metrosexual and he didn't quit the team b/c he couldn't get along w/ Karcher. He was on a partial schollie and, after his one abysmal freshman season, he tried to hold the program hostage by threatening to quit if he didn't get a full ride. Karcher said, "Fine" and signed Kolegue.

As a program, we seem to have been snakebit in the kicker department ever since Jay Kelley's concussion vs Eastern Kentucky in '02. We've tried the QB/K thing before w/ Travis Johnson and he apparently forgot how to kick the moment he set foot on campus. We brought in Bryce Coffee as a transfer from UVa and he had plenty of leg -- he handled kickoffs during the Kiovsky Experiment -- but his FG attempts were as likely to hit the OL in the ankles as they were to get through the uprights. Kolegue's first year was an improvement on the unmitigated disaster that was Kiovsky but he was still inconsistent enough to warrant recruiting a stronger leg in Beasley.

I feel terrible for Beas right now -- and even more so for his wife -- b/c not only does he feel bad enough on his own but he's got to go to class w/ a bunch of internet yahoos calling for the return of "Pink Shirt".

As an aside, did anyone else notice on the final FG attempt that the W&M defenders came right over our center/long snapper and knocked him flying as soon as he snapped the ball? That's completely illegal. While it doesn't change the accuracy of our kickers, it happened right in front of the umpire and it should have been flagged for a personal foul which would have given us 1st & goal from the 10.
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By HarrisburgFlame
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All good point RTF. I agree with you on the pressure up the middle affecting the kick. I would even be willing to give you that one as a cause for missing the kick. The problem is Beas has consistently missed kicks the past two years - so that argument is a little harder to defend. Nothing would make me happier than to see Beas hit a game winner before the end of the year.

What would make me happy for 07 is to hit the JUCO ranks and sign a proven kicker..
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