[SuperJon]

It's just unneeded. On top of what Phoenix said, it gives off two messages:

When we win: we won but it's not all about winning.
When we lose: don't worry about the loss. The important thing is that we pray.

That's not what they're meaning to say, but that's what comes across.

[BJWilliams]

We should win these next two by 14+...possibly next three (Tennessee Tech isn't exactly an eye opener in my book) our next real big test won't be until Richmond homecoming night

[jimflamesfan]

I thought Woodrum played a good game.

The defense was excellent!

The running game struggled. Anyone know the deal with Macon? I thought they'd give him the ball some, especially to give Abner a breather.

Hopefully the offense can get into a rhythm against Brevard.

I think the Bryant and Indiana State games could be tough. We're not in a position to overlook anyone.

[krh44]

How about the call to go for it on fourth down early on, on our end of the field? Could have been a huge swing the other way if we didn't make it. I think that was the long drive where we scored the field goal.

Hunter I think you are right, if we don't get that and NSU comes down and scores it changes everything. I think we played but would like to have put this team away earlier.

[jcmanson]

We should win these next two by 14+...possibly next three (Tennessee Tech isn't exactly an eye opener in my book) our next real big test won't be until Richmond homecoming night

Stop

[olldflame]

The deal with Macon is he is putting the ball on the ground.

[TH Spangler]

We should win these next two by 14+...possibly next three (Tennessee Tech isn't exactly an eye opener in my book) our next real big test won't be until Richmond homecoming night

Bryant looked very good against Stony Brook, lets see how they do this week against Maine. Indiana State gave Indiana all they could handle in their opener, they will be a real tough road game.

[Kiwon]

It's just unneeded. On top of what Phoenix said, it gives off two messages:

When we win: we won but it's not all about winning.
When we lose: don't worry about the loss. The important thing is that we pray.

That's not what they're meaning to say, but that's what comes across.

Or does it have the players, coaches and staff saying to themselves "Regardless of the circumstances or outcome, God will have preeminence in our lives” in the spirit of 1 Corinthians 10:31?

What is “unneeded?” The prayer? Or the acknowledgment of God as a group? Or the prayer done publicly? Why is any of that “unneeded?”

Is the same scene acceptable in the locker room but not on the field? Why?

“We” is the players, coaches and staff. You guys aren’t on the field. They are the ones who prepare and play and put so much effort into the games. The players and coaches are doing their own thing. What you apparently don’t like is AD Jeff Barber’s habit of snapping a photo of them praying and posting it online.

Are the players and coaches to blame? Do you think that arrange themselves and say to JB, “Okay, we’re ready! Take the photo!” You know that’s not the case.

You are projecting an unnecessary cynicism on a common team activity. It’s their post-game team prayer time. It just so happens that we as fans are privy to what is going on via social media. And when it’s over, individual players can visit with family and friends who made the effort to come to the game before they head to the locker room and hit the showers.

Ask JB why he posts the photos. He’s your target. Probably he will answer that it shows a Christian distinctive that sets apart a university whose motto is “Training Champions for Christ.” He’s promoting the school, obviously. For many Christians, the natural and public expression of faith is nothing to be ashamed of. That boldness is refreshing and attractive to many sincere Christian young people who get ostracized for even the smallest expression of their faith in many places in society today.

Is JB wrong to post the photos? I don’t think so. He’s proud of LU and what it stands for. Maybe a prospective student athlete or parent or donor will see the photo and feel the same way as well.

[Chippy]

It's just unneeded. On top of what Phoenix said, it gives off two messages:

When we win: we won but it's not all about winning.
When we lose: don't worry about the loss. The important thing is that we pray.

That's not what they're meaning to say, but that's what comes across.

Or does it have the players, coaches and staff saying to themselves "Regardless of the circumstances or outcome, God will have preeminence in our lives” in the spirit of 1 Corinthians 10:31?

What is “unneeded?” The prayer? Or the acknowledgment of God as a group? Or the prayer done publicly? Why is any of that “unneeded?”

Is the same scene acceptable in the locker room but not on the field? Why?

“We” is the players, coaches and staff. You guys aren’t on the field. They are the ones who prepare and play and put so much effort into the games. The players and coaches are doing their own thing. What you apparently don’t like is AD Jeff Barber’s habit of snapping a photo of them praying and posting it online.

Are the players and coaches to blame? Do you think that arrange themselves and say to JB, “Okay, we’re ready! Take the photo!” You know that’s not the case.

You are projecting an unnecessary cynicism on a common team activity. It’s their post-game team prayer time. It just so happens that we as fans are privy to what is going on via social media. And when it’s over, individual players can visit with family and friends who made the effort to come to the game before they head to the locker room and hit the showers.

Ask JB why he posts the photos. He’s your target. Probably he will answer that it shows a Christian distinctive that sets apart a university whose motto is “Training Champions for Christ.” He’s promoting the school, obviously. For many Christians, the natural and public expression of faith is nothing to be ashamed of. That boldness is refreshing and attractive to many sincere Christian young people who get ostracized for even the smallest expression of their faith in many places in society today.

Is JB wrong to post the photos? I don’t think so. He’s proud of LU and what it stands for. Maybe a prospective student athlete or parent or donor will see the photo and feel the same way as well.

+1 As Gill would say, "To God be the glory."

[jbock13]

Maybe I've just seen enough pictures when our basketball team lost by 40, but by God at least we prayed at the end of the game!

[olldflame]

Maybe I've just seen enough pictures when our basketball team lost by 40, but by God at least we prayed at the end of the game!

For the record I am on board with the fact that we are losing too much but let's not exaggerate. In Dale Layers entire tenure at liberty We have lost by 40 points or more only twice. Most recently 2 years ago against Richmond And in layers first year against Clemson.

[forbidden]

The deal with Macon is he is putting the ball on the ground.

Sort of a double standard then tbh, hate to say but Petey put the ball on the carpet twice as well vs UNC, one which stopped a drive n first and the other was part of the 28 pt. barrage. In defense of Macon at least uYou could say it was his first ever collegiate game.

[SuperJon]

Or does it have the players, coaches and staff saying to themselves "Regardless of the circumstances or outcome, God will have preeminence in our lives” in the spirit of 1 Corinthians 10:31?

We pray because of that. That's not the issue.

What is “unneeded?” The prayer? Or the acknowledgment of God as a group? Or the prayer done publicly? Why is any of that “unneeded?”

I love the fact that we pray after games, and I love it even more when teams pray with us. I just think the pictures after every single game make it look like we're posturing and trying to prove something. The actual action of prayer isn't what most people have a problem with.

What you apparently don’t like is AD Jeff Barber’s habit of snapping a photo of them praying and posting it online.

Correct. The frequency of the pictures makes them look fake.

Are the players and coaches to blame? Do you think that arrange themselves and say to JB, “Okay, we’re ready! Take the photo!” You know that’s not the case.

That's dumb.

You are projecting an unnecessary cynicism on a common team activity. It’s their post-game team prayer time.

No I'm not. Again, I love that we do it. I'm projecting necessary cynicism on bragging about praying.

It just so happens that we as fans are privy to what is going on via social media.

If you've ever been to a game, and 90% of Liberty fans have, they've seen us pray. We know it happens. It's one of our core values as a program.

Ask JB why he posts the photos. He’s your target. Probably he will answer that it shows a Christian distinctive that sets apart a university whose motto is “Training Champions for Christ.” He’s promoting the school, obviously.

I'm not BeeJay so I'm not going to e-mail him. I know that he (or people with direct access to him) read this board and he's likely already seen this post. I also know why Jeff posts these and 100% trust his intentions. What he doesn't realize is that for people outside the Liberty bubble, it looks fake. He, like many Christians, look at things from the perspective of how other Christians will view it and not from how people outside of the church would see things. The constant barrage of these pictures makes it look like we are saying we are better than you because we pray. I know this is not his intention or his feelings, but that's the perception.

For many Christians, the natural and public expression of faith is nothing to be ashamed of. That boldness is refreshing and attractive to many sincere Christian young people who get ostracized for even the smallest expression of their faith in many places in society today.

Again, I don't disagree with this at all. I love that we pray.

Is JB wrong to post the photos? I don’t think so. He’s proud of LU and what it stands for. Maybe a prospective student athlete or parent or donor will see the photo and feel the same way as well.

I wouldn't say he's wrong. And I wouldn't even say an occasional picture would be a problem. My complaint, and those in the same boat as me, dislike the frequency of them because it throws it in your face and makes it looks as though we feel we're better than everyone else.

[TH Spangler]

I'm not sure, but I think the LFSN zoomed in on the Norfolk State players huddling for prayer after the game. If so, it's good to see. Several schools have been in the news recently for holding team prayer.

[Kolzilla41]

Overall, this was a solid game for Liberty. Defense played their hearts out, Special Teams is playing relatively mistake free football considering we have a lot of new personnel on that side, and the Offense did ok. If it wasn't for the Defense causing turnovers or stopping NF St when they had bad field position, I am not sure we would have scored more than 9 points. I do think that the Spartans D is the best we faced. I tweeted Lang late last night to ask if there is any cause for concern regarding our QB play and he stated exactly that. Their ends were so fast of the edge, it was scary. I am a little nervous about Woodrum though. He only complete 14 out of 25 passes. Granted, he faced a lot of pressure. I am concerned that the little decisions that are being made or not made are what is going to hurt this team when it counts. I hope we come out full blast next week and hang 70 on Brevard. Our Offense needs that kind of mindset and confidence boost.

[SuperJon]

I am a little nervous about Woodrum though. He only complete 14 out of 25 passes. Granted, he faced a lot of pressure. I am concerned that the little decisions that are being made or not made are what is going to hurt this team when it counts.

This concerns me the most.

[Kolzilla41]

As I go through this I am watching RGIII do the same thing on my tv. I just don't want us to go with an average QB because he has three years. Who knows, Masha might get more time eventually.

[Sly Fox]

I get the feeling that the coaches want to get Masha some PT. But they don't want to do it when they are relying on him in a close game. If we get some big leads as expected in the coming weeks, Stephon will have an opportunity to show us what he is capable of accomplishing before conference play comes around.

Josh hasn't looked sharp through two games. But I only saw one really terrible pass yesterday and the defender dropped an easy pick. Otherwise even when he has been off the mark it hasn't been a forced throw despite the big pressure.

[forbidden]

I think Marsha could be just as effective if given the opportunity, like I said in earlier post, if he had his choice he would like to probably be in Ervin's shoes and playing, but people can say what they want there is some level of complacency that sets in when you already know that you really don't have to compete for your position, and in some ways I think Woody has done so. He was IMO personally better when he was competing with Hudson years back.

One of the issues I see with the offense is that we really don't have a threat at the num 2 wr spot. To much inconsistency, good team takes num 2 DB with safety over top, on Petey, your number 1 DB on your num 2 and take other 8 and stop the run or force another wr to hv to step up and beat you. That's where as we all saw at UNC and Norfolk State that when the play is covered the QB scramble is basically unaccounted for.

[BJWilliams]

I think Shells could be on his way to that end. He made a couple stellar catches that could be a much needed boost to his confidence and Im sure the coaching staff took notice of them as well.

[Kolzilla41]

I disagree forbidden. I think Gabe is that #2 threat. I thought Shells was always considered the third receiver this year anyway. The problem is we have three deep talen in the TE area, Abnar can catch, Petey, and Gabe. There are plenty of weapons, they just need the right calls made.

[Chippy]

Post game interviews here. http://www.libertyflamesnation.com/libe ... olk-state/

Good stuff.

[bluejacket]

I believe that I said this before in another thread a couple of weeks ago. Gabe Henderson is the lynchpin of our offense. Peterson and Shells are not great possession receivers (Darrin is much more than Dante). We need Gabe to help take the heat off of our other receivers and running backs through intermediate and short passes and be the explosive player that he can be. He has had a couple drops, but he also hasn't been targeted very much. If he can't turn it around, we'll need the TEs to get some more action in order to help fix the passing attack.

Henderson stats so far: 5 catches for 47 yards.

TE stats:
Herman: 5 for 66 yards
Couamin: 1 for 8 yards

[flameshaw]

We need some RB's. Abner is pretty small and easy to bring down, the other kid who played against UNC can't hold onto the ball. (I would know his name if they had them on the back of the jerseys). We need someone(s) to step up.

[BJWilliams]

Todd Macon flameshaw...be an interesting question to ask on the Flames Sports Hotline tomorrow night