[Bigsouthking]

Turner Gill --

Buffalo
2006: 2-10 : 1-7
2007: 5-7 : 5-3
2008: 8-6: 5-3
2009: 5-7: 3-5

Kansas
2010 3-9: 1-7
2011 2-10: 0-9

Liberty
2012 6-5: 5-1
2013 2-2: ????

Total to current date: 33-56

How does he still have a job with that record?? --

[bluedevilflame]

Turner Gill --

Buffalo
2006: 2-10 : 1-7
2007: 5-7 : 5-3
2008: 8-6: 5-3
2009: 5-7: 3-5

Kansas
2010 3-9: 1-7
2011 2-10: 0-9

Liberty
2012 6-5: 5-1
2013 2-2: ????

Total to current date: 33-56

How does he still have a job with that record?? --

You have to look at Buffalos records before Gill...
2005 1-10
2004 2-9
2003 1-11
2002 1-11
2001 3-8
2000 2-9

He made the program somewhat respectable while he was there. As for Kansas, the only man that has won a decent amount there was Mark Mangino, before him, they hadn't made the postseason since 1995. So personally, I give Gill a bye on his Kansas stint, he didn't even have time to recruit his whole team there. In one season here, he got a share of the conference title and so far this year has demolished two teams, kept it close against a team one win away from the Orange Bowl last season and lost to non conference Richmond, who lost to NC State by two (should have won), a team not to mention that took #3 Clemson to the limit last week. I believe we have a serious chance at an outright conference title and make the playoffs, there is nothing I have seen so far to suggest otherwise. Pass the Kool Aid!

[Purple Haize]

Turner Gill --

Buffalo
2006: 2-10 : 1-7
2007: 5-7 : 5-3
2008: 8-6: 5-3
2009: 5-7: 3-5

Kansas
2010 3-9: 1-7
2011 2-10: 0-9

Liberty
2012 6-5: 5-1
2013 2-2: ????

Total to current date: 33-56

How does he still have a job with that record?? --

Because stats sometimes lie. What he did at Buffalo was amazing given their facility, budget and pedigree. I'm pretty sure everyone gives him a pass for Kansas because it was screwed up from the Mangino mess and they haven't faired better under the hefty new hire that proceeded him. He kept LU right where they were out despite a talent drain the year before. So if you are just looking at numbers, you are correct. If you are looking for reasons behind the numbers you are incorrect

[Bigsouthking]

Now we are into giving people passes.... I could say some politcally incorrect things about why i think Gill is a Head Coach still but I won't... he went 6-5 at Liberty! Hes 2-2 now! maybe Layer's luck rubs off!

What i will say is look at Gardner Webb's new coach, bald headed little old dude who came from North Greenville (D-2) and has them ranked in the top 25.... not about image or a big name in Boiling Springs, its about finding a guy that knows football!!!!! About the same approach that VMI took with Baucom and he surely has paid off, not a name, but a coach that has common sense, and puts a sorry program in position to win year after year!

[ludlpstudent]

Ever watch the ESPN segment numbers never lie. Truth is yes stats can be mis-leading but wins & Losses speak volume. He is 20 games below .500 has a head coach. With that being said he is a great man. I am just not sure he is a good head coach. Two schools come to mind GW and Chuck South both with new coaches and both having success. Neither has the resources that LU has nor the fan support.

[jcmanson]

Two schools come to mind GW and Chuck South both with new coaches and both having success. Neither has the resources that LU has nor the fan support.

Great point

[PAmedic]

Youre kidding right? please tell me that there is a punch line to this...the guy has been here for what...15 games and youre seriously asking if he is the right person for the job?

why not?

I think its a fair and valid question.

he has another year- 2 at MOST- of grace before we need to start looking sideways but I haven't seen what I expected given the resources he has.

FBS ready? not yet.

[Purple Haize]

Now we are into giving people passes.... I could say some politcally incorrect things about why i think Gill is a Head Coach still but I won't... he went 6-5 at Liberty! Hes 2-2 now! maybe Layer's luck rubs off!

What i will say is look at Gardner Webb's new coach, bald headed little old dude who came from North Greenville (D-2) and has them ranked in the top 25.... not about image or a big name in Boiling Springs, its about finding a guy that knows football!!!!! About the same approach that VMI took with Baucom and he surely has paid off, not a name, but a coach that has common sense, and puts a sorry program in position to win year after year!

I'm not going to say I disagree with the thought process that went into the hirings at GW. I've been a proponent of this method. However, LU wants to always make a splash when they hire someone. I also see no difference in the outcomes last year. We weren't better then the prior year, but we were better then expected. GW won a game, they exceeded expectations. Again if this is a discussion we are having 2 years from now it will be a different story but I don't think we will.

[rogers3]

What i will say is look at Gardner Webb's new coach, bald headed little old dude who came from North Greenville (D-2) and has them ranked in the top 25.... not about image or a big name in Boiling Springs, its about finding a guy that knows football!!!!! About the same approach that VMI took with Baucom and he surely has paid off, not a name, but a coach that has common sense, and puts a sorry program in position to win year after year!

Seriously??? McCray has such a great football mind his past HC experience looks like this:

Austin Peay Governors (Pioneer Football League) (2003–2005)
2003 Austin Peay 4–7 1–2 T–2nd (South)
2004 Austin Peay 2–9 1–2 T–2nd (South)
2005 Austin Peay 2–9 0–3 4th (South)
2006 Austin Peay 3–8
Austin Peay: 11–33
North Greenville Crusaders (Division II Independent) (2012)
2012 North Greenville 5–6
North Greenville: 5–6

Wow... that's some good head coaching experience! You even go on to suggest that VMI actually comes close to competing and that Baucom's "common sense" is the cause. Sorry, but your argument is weak.

[jbock13]

Rocco brought tons of money and momentum into the program, and failed to win the games we needed to. The jury is still out on Gill. As far as I'm concerned, I'd give him at least another year and half before we start asking questions. Last year we had a Freshman QB, it's difficult to compete regardless of how much he's learned. I will say the lack of offense is concerning, but he still at least gets another year and a half in my book.

I will say this, at least with Gill I don't think we we've had a headscratching loss the way we always did under Rocco, a la Presby 2008.

[Purple Haize]

I like Gill. But Norfolk State is sort of a head scratcher. I know they were ranked at the time but they turned out to be a pretty bad team.

Yeah, 'cause we've never had those types of games in the past.

[PatrickKelly]

I started this thread to spur some debate and conversation. Is it to early to have this conversation, maybe? Butch Jones is in his second third game at TN and if you read Vol Nation message boards most of the threads are already questioning if he's the right guy. Here's the deal with Gill. He's a great man. I don't think anyone would question that. What I do question is his coaching record and ability. I wasn't going to get this detailed, but with some of the childish comments on this thread I'll show you what I base my opinion on.
At Buffalo
2006:2-10
2007:5-7
2008:8-6
2009:5-7
*The magical run in 2008 which is the highlight of his coaching career had wins over powerhouses of TX El Paso, Temple, Army, Miami, Miami Ohio, Bowling Green and Ball State. Remember this is the highlight of a coaching career. The following year fell back to 5-7.
At Kansas
2010: 3-9
2011: 2-10
His first game at Kansas he opened with a 6-3 loss to N. Dakota State. His following year was even worse with blow out losses of 70-28 to Ok St. 43-0 to TX and 61-7 to TX A&M.
So, with those numbers the Flames Nation doesn't have the right to start asking if Gill is the right guy. Maybe we'll make a run this year, but I'm tired of being told to wait it out, wait it out. I want to be successful right now.

[SuperJon]

People are questioning Butch Jones? You sure about that?

[BJWilliams]

Well if you wanna win now go be a bloody SEC Fan or something...

But seriously...we all want to win...very much. that said, money does not equal wins...never does. to properly evaluate a coach, it takes at least enough time to cycle the previous coach's players out and give him a chance with all of his own players. the reason fans at Tennessee and Florida and Alabama et are so quick to question coaches after one year is they are all drunk on success because of tradition and what not.

[Purple Haize]

I want to be successful right now.

Thats a YOU problem.

[PAmedic]

I want to be successful right now.

Thats a YOU problem.

I have the same problem then

[wideflame]

Gill is the man for the job. One of the coaches he hired is THE problem. It will become more and more obvious who that is.....

[rogers3]

Gill is the man for the job. One of the coaches he hired is THE problem. It will become more and more obvious who that is.....

Are you actually SlyFox?

[FLAMEfromBAMA]

I agree with most that he deserves due time for recruits to cycle through and for him to put his stamp on the program. Nick Saban's first year at Bama he went 7-6, and his second season he had a "what the heck" loss to Utah, in fans' eyes at least. Bear Bryant's first two seasons had a total record of 12-6-3. Joe Pa went 13-7-1 in his first two seasons. Bowden was 15-8 his first two seasons, and Beamer went 7-14-1 in his first two seasons. I am in no way saying Gill is the coach any of them are, but I am saying he deserves the time and patience from the fan base, at least until the end of year 3 or 4.

[rogers3]

I started this thread to spur some debate and conversation. Is it to early to have this conversation, maybe? Butch Jones is in his second third game at TN and if you read Vol Nation message boards most of the threads are already questioning if he's the right guy. Here's the deal with Gill. He's a great man. I don't think anyone would question that. What I do question is his coaching record and ability. I wasn't going to get this detailed, but with some of the childish comments on this thread I'll show you what I base my opinion on.

Prior records are pretty useless in this conversation. The least successful coach (arguably) in the Big South has already beaten Richmond and Wofford this year, so let's not get sidetracked on what happened elsewhere. Thankfully, folks like you have no influence at all on what LU does in regards to coaching. When we see your name on the side of a building feel free to start a "Fire Coach ________" campaign.

[ProudPapa73]

Gill is the man for the job. One of the coaches he hired is THE problem. It will become more and more obvious who that is.....

Now that's a great topic starter...should we all take a guess at who that is and use attendance as a tie breaker?

Go Flames!!!

[ProudPapa73]

I'd like to see Coach Gill run the offense himself. I think he would show us all what he is truly capable of.
Go Flames!!!

[PatrickKelly]

I started this thread to spur some debate and conversation. Is it to early to have this conversation, maybe? Butch Jones is in his second third game at TN and if you read Vol Nation message boards most of the threads are already questioning if he's the right guy. Here's the deal with Gill. He's a great man. I don't think anyone would question that. What I do question is his coaching record and ability. I wasn't going to get this detailed, but with some of the childish comments on this thread I'll show you what I base my opinion on.

Prior records are pretty useless in this conversation. The least successful coach (arguably) in the Big South has already beaten Richmond and Wofford this year, so let's not get sidetracked on what happened elsewhere. Thankfully, folks like you have no influence at all on what LU does in regards to coaching. When we see your name on the side of a building feel free to start a "Fire Coach ________" campaign.

ha, now that's funny. I have to have my name on a building before I can question if we have the right coach running the program. I never said Gill should be fired. I'm just not pleased with the on field performance.

[BJWilliams]

So the only way it would've been acceptable to have him if we finished 9-3 last year, won the conference, won a playoff game and started 3-1 this year? hmm?

[Purple Haize]

I want to be successful right now.

Thats a YOU problem.

I have the same problem then

YOU have so many problems you could start your own thread