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By thepostman
#411943
A solid B. I think we were good enough to beat Coastal so the fact that we didn't does hurt. On top of that we beat SB and could've made it the playoffs. That would've been the ultimate 'rub it in your face' moment for this program and Danny Rocco, haha. That is just me being spiteful.

Turner Gill took over a program that lost a lot but still has a solid foundation. When you can go 6-5 in a rebuilding season then it is quite clear Rocco did a great job in laying that foundation. Its not time for Turner Gill to build on the foundation and move forward. If we finish 6-5 again next year it will be a completely different kind of reaction.
By olldflame
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#411947
Bigsouthking wrote:Let's be honest, they won 1 game no one thought they would win (SB) -- they lost 2/3 that everyone figured would be wins... Winning A Co-Championship in football in the Big South isn't nor should it be the standard.
It´s this kind of nonsense that makes you the bsking. Tell me which 2 or 3 games on our schedule "everyone" figured would be wins. Our worst losses were to NSU and Lehigh at home, but they were both ranked when we played them, and Lehigh is still a likely playoff team. You surely aren´t referring to the losses at Wake, Montana or Coastal.
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By GillsHill2013
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#411949
I will say B + on the way we ended the year. With the players that were out and the experience that was gained because. I think it sets our team up to be very successful next year. Coming into the year I didn't expect a great year, especially surrounding our QB situation. But I believed Woodrum got a great year under his belt as a freshman and he will only improve with the development of freshman receivers such as Faison, and etc. Also AA was great this year and im excited to see him in his senior year. Also getting the ball in Abnar hands more. He is a quick little guy which will compliment AA well. And defense will be great again as well and with all the injuries it provided experience for quite a few players. I think next year depth will be on our side. Just an opinion.
By sigmo7
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#411952
My thoughts on the FIRST season. All the people in the know said Stony Brook was the # 6 team in the country, but when SB woke up this morning they were co- champions of the Big South just like LIBERTY UNIVERSITY. i'll take it all day long and twice on sundays. it only gets better from here on out. we have plenty of room on the wagon, SO JUMP ON IN BOYS!!
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By jinxy
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#411974
I'd go B-

The Norfolk state loss was the only true "should have won" game. We won all the other games we should've won (which for me is a good sign, especially down the stretch). Lehigh was a very winnable game as well but it was also Woodrums second start right after the key injuries. When you factor in the amount of injuries and freshman playing significant time it bodes well. Clearly the offense has the biggest improvment to make and should.

Couple things being said that i disagree with. First, if DR was here we would have about the same record, maybe one more win. Too much Rocco bashing for what he did for us, even though we may disagree with the timing or whatever else of his move. Also, everyone is talking about Gill's recruits. There were 3-4 impact freshman this year, so don't expect more than that next year. Gill's guys will be more evident in year 3.

Going forward i really think our LB core can be absolutely dominant next year. Nick and Scott are already unreal and Dallas was showing a ton of potential before he was injured. Add Fogg back in the mix at corner along with Kenny Scott (whom I thought played brilliantly). If Walt ever learns to play the ball rather than the WR our defense is going to be absolutely filthy.

The offense is where we need improvement. I think you'd see Gabe, Peterson and Glover as the top 3 with Shells factoring in. TE has a lot of options. It will be Aldreakis Allen time who has firmly shown he is a force on Offense. You also have Boyd and Grant Jones coming back. Factor in a transfer or two and see where we go.
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By ProudPapa73
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#411979
B+ on the curve.
Without the O line and LB injuries who knows where this season would have taken us.
Also, I'm of the opinion that if you invert our season, conference play then non-conference play we might have had an even better record. There is no doubt that having an unsettled QB situation with neither being an incumbent and a new head coach and staff that we didn't really hit stride until halfway into the season.
Despite that, we lose to Wake by 3, Lehigh by 2 and NSU by 7 with the tying TD dropped/knocked away on late 4Q drive.
We were that close to 9 and 2.
In the end, as the Big Tuna always says, you are what you're record says.
6 and 5. Big South Conference Champs.
Solid B minus.
Can't wait to #BeatRichmond!!!

Go Flames!!!
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By Purple Haize
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#411994
Sly Fox wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:You started with a B+. Then listed all of the good things. Then finished with a B-
I guess you never graded on the curve in your teaching days.
I was more of a Tim Wakefield grader
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By Dr. Sheh
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#411996
I echo the common sentiments by many regarding games should have won/lost, injuries, coaching improvements, etc. The way I think of this season in a nutshell (and this is not throwing Rocco under the bus, very grateful for his time here and a big fan) is that last year supposedly being our year with Mike Brown, Summers, etc against an easier schedule we went 7-4, and this year with a new staff and many new players went 6-5 against a tougher schedule. Just a one game difference. Not completely sold yet on Gill & Co., but things are looking bright and we are heading in the right direction. We'll see how the next couple of years play out. Go Flames!
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By NotAJerry
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#412017
olldflame wrote:
Bigsouthking wrote:Let's be honest, they won 1 game no one thought they would win (SB) -- they lost 2/3 that everyone figured would be wins... Winning A Co-Championship in football in the Big South isn't nor should it be the standard.
It´s this kind of nonsense that makes you the bsking. Tell me which 2 or 3 games on our schedule "everyone" figured would be wins. Our worst losses were to NSU and Lehigh at home, but they were both ranked when we played them, and Lehigh is still a likely playoff team. You surely aren´t referring to the losses at Wake, Montana or Coastal.
Couldn't be a more meaningless statement. Northern Iowa was getting votes in the polls when they were 3-6. Norfolk State was an abysmally poor team this year and there is no valid excuse for losing to them. The Stony Brook win was as good as the Norfolk State loss was bad so it's a wash.
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By NotAJerry
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#412018
Dr. Sheh wrote:The way I think of this season in a nutshell (and this is not throwing Rocco under the bus, very grateful for his time here and a big fan) is that last year supposedly being our year with Mike Brown, Summers, etc against an easier schedule we went 7-4, and this year with a new staff and many new players went 6-5 against a tougher schedule.
Was our schedule really tougher this year? Norfolk State sucked, Lehigh was at home this time, Montana was the worst they been in eons, and the Big South was still just a 2-3 team conference.

I'd say:

NC State > Wake Forest
Robert Morris = Norfolk State
Lehigh away > Lehigh home
JMU (finished 8-5, lost to NDSU in the playoffs) > Montana (finished 5-6)

The only thing that made this season seem tougher were the reputations of Montana and Norfolk State coming into the season. Montana took a huge downturn after a mess of an offseason and Norfolk State was terrible. This was, at best, a schedule that was equal to last season and really turned out to be easier.
By jimflamesfan
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#412020
I'd give us a B overall.

The only thing that bothers me going into next year is the special teams.

It seems like every game there was a special team breakdown...punt runback, fumbled kickoff, getting burned on a fake...even when the formation is obvious...and it didn't get ANY better as the year went on. If the VMI guy doesn't fall over another fake punt works...plus return players are still running into each other and we're starting at the 2 yard line.
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By ProudPapa73
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#412030
Purple Haize wrote:You started with a B+. Then listed all of the good things. Then finished with a B-
Correct...B+ on the curve...B minus without...our record is what it is regardless of the reasons...
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By Purple Haize
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#412033
ProudPapa73 wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:You started with a B+. Then listed all of the good things. Then finished with a B-
Correct...B+ on the curve...B minus without...our record is what it is regardless of the reasons...
Ok. I was just giving you grief and would have explained it from the other way.

I guess I'm such a :koolaid drinker now
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By BJWilliams
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#412037
I give us a B plus. We started well even though we lost...then had a downright atrocious stretch that had even me wondering where the bottom was. I think the G-W game turned the season around. We lose that game, we probably go in the tank mentally. After that game, it was a very different squad and I definitely applaud the coaches and players. Have to think Coach Gill and Coach Moglia will be 1-2 in CoY voting
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By Dr. Sheh
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#412038
NotAJerry wrote:
Dr. Sheh wrote:The way I think of this season in a nutshell (and this is not throwing Rocco under the bus, very grateful for his time here and a big fan) is that last year supposedly being our year with Mike Brown, Summers, etc against an easier schedule we went 7-4, and this year with a new staff and many new players went 6-5 against a tougher schedule.
Was our schedule really tougher this year? Norfolk State sucked, Lehigh was at home this time, Montana was the worst they been in eons, and the Big South was still just a 2-3 team conference.

I'd say:

NC State > Wake Forest
Robert Morris = Norfolk State
Lehigh away > Lehigh home
JMU (finished 8-5, lost to NDSU in the playoffs) > Montana (finished 5-6)

The only thing that made this season seem tougher were the reputations of Montana and Norfolk State coming into the season. Montana took a huge downturn after a mess of an offseason and Norfolk State was terrible. This was, at best, a schedule that was equal to last season and really turned out to be easier.
Stony Brook was better than's last year's version and Lehigh was a little better too. I think you can argue that this year's schedule was equal, I'll give you that. Regardless, we had a similar record last year on a team loaded with seniors while this year's transitional team performed roughly the same. We'll see what next year's schedule looks like and then we can set some expectations moving forward.
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By PAmedic
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#412049
BJWilliams wrote:Have to think Coach Gill and Coach Moglia will be 1-2 in CoY voting
not in my book. We are expected to win... guys like CSU's Jay Mills turned his team around this year (they went 0-11 last season but 5-6 this year w/ 3 conf wins), as did Moglia. Also, Chuck Priore would be the hands down winner had they just taken us out.

I'd go Moglia, Priore, Mills (considering what he has to work with), then TG
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By Sly Fox
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I'm as big a fan of Mills as you will see around here. And I would have a tough time justifying giving him COY honors for beating VMI, Presby & G-W ... all at home. If he had upset one of the big three then I'd be all ears.

I could make nice arguments for Moglia, Priore & Gill.
By rogers3
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#412054
bigsmooth wrote:
Cider Jim wrote:As Coach Myer used to day, "It's not where you start; it's where you finish."

After beginning 0-4 and finishing 6-5 with a share of the Big South Conference championship, I'd give Coach Gill and his staff and players a strong B+ for the season. :clapping

(And I think Rocco knew that he couldn't have a winning a season with this squad breaking in a new QB, but Coach Gill and his staff made it happen).
Jim, really? you want to throw Rocco under the bus? UR goes from 3-8 to 8-3 and will probably make the playoffs. He is a good coach and i think the same results with the LU team would have occurred with him as the HC

As for our season, we had several games we should have won but did not. we had some questionable play calling in those losses that i think contributed to the losses. Of course injuries did hurt us this year and we really need some good recruits next year especially on the OL, and some playmaking receivers. I am still not 100% convinced this staff is going to get the job done, but i will give credit where credit is due. the coaches and players did a heckuva job to grab a share of the title after an 0-4 start. hopefully next year its an outright title.
I highly doubt things would have been much different with Rocco. Look at last years schedule. Overall, I'm please with this season and had we won the Norfolk State game, I would say it would rank right up there with some of the best seasons we've had over the last ten years several years
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By PAmedic
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#412056
Sly Fox wrote:I'm as big a fan of Mills as you will see around here. And I would have a tough time justifying giving him COY honors for beating VMI, Presby & G-W ... all at home. If he had upset one of the big three then I'd be all ears.

I could make nice arguments for Moglia, Priore & Gill.
it's 3 more wins than he had last season tho... home or away

for that program, that's huge. They have no resources whatsoever.

I agree he wouldnt be choice #1 but I'd probably put him ahead of Gill
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By NotAJerry
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Sly Fox wrote:I'm as big a fan of Mills as you will see around here. And I would have a tough time justifying giving him COY honors for beating VMI, Presby & G-W ... all at home. If he had upset one of the big three then I'd be all ears.

I could make nice arguments for Moglia, Priore & Gill.
Agreed on Mills. The other two wins were Shorter and Edward Waters. I don't know who or what those things are. Mills is also the guy who guided them to 0-11 last season.

It seems like a clear cut Moglia win with Priore second due to losing to us.
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By NotAJerry
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#412101
Dr. Sheh wrote:
NotAJerry wrote:
Dr. Sheh wrote:The way I think of this season in a nutshell (and this is not throwing Rocco under the bus, very grateful for his time here and a big fan) is that last year supposedly being our year with Mike Brown, Summers, etc against an easier schedule we went 7-4, and this year with a new staff and many new players went 6-5 against a tougher schedule.
Was our schedule really tougher this year? Norfolk State sucked, Lehigh was at home this time, Montana was the worst they been in eons, and the Big South was still just a 2-3 team conference.

I'd say:

NC State > Wake Forest
Robert Morris = Norfolk State
Lehigh away > Lehigh home
JMU (finished 8-5, lost to NDSU in the playoffs) > Montana (finished 5-6)

The only thing that made this season seem tougher were the reputations of Montana and Norfolk State coming into the season. Montana took a huge downturn after a mess of an offseason and Norfolk State was terrible. This was, at best, a schedule that was equal to last season and really turned out to be easier.
Stony Brook was better than's last year's version and Lehigh was a little better too. I think you can argue that this year's schedule was equal, I'll give you that. Regardless, we had a similar record last year on a team loaded with seniors while this year's transitional team performed roughly the same. We'll see what next year's schedule looks like and then we can set some expectations moving forward.
Last year's Lehigh won the Patriot league and made the playoffs, this year's version didn't. They had the same regular season record this year but it wasn't as good as they replaced a road loss to New Hampshire with a much easier home win against Central Connecticut State but ended up with a conference loss this time around. Last year's Lehigh team beat Towson in the playoffs before losing to eventual champ NDSU.

Stony Brook won one playoff game last year and lost to the national runner up in a close game they could have won. That seems pretty close to what's expected this year if they beat Villanova and lose to NDSU. Their regular season may have been a bit better this year.

Stony Brook was a better team than last year's, but we got them at home so it's a wash at best. Lehigh wasn't as good as last year's team and we got them at home this time. Throw in NC State last year being clearly better than Wake this year and Robert Morris last year/Norfolk State this year both being awful, and it's an easier schedule.
By thepostman
#412112
Either way you look at it the schedule ended up being pretty similar and we won one less game. Not bad.

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