[logic]

I did not even think about the students singing along. So imagine 8,000 Liberty students singing

"All the other kids with the pumped up kicks,
You better run, better run, outrun my gun.
All the other kids with the pumped up kicks,
You better run, better run, faster than my bullet."


Listen people we aren't talking about deer hunting here, we're talking about gunning down students in school hallways.

I am not a fundie by any means. I do however have class and taste. This just does not strike me as a song college intellectuals should be singing along to. Call me elitist, that is fine. We are at an institution of higher education and a Christian one at that, and we are singing about high school students trying to outrun bullets in the hallways. I wonder, do they play this song at Columbine football games?

[BJWilliams]

I think the only person expending that much gray matter into the value of the song is you logic...I mean when I heard it at the game I thought he was saying "outrun my brother". I, like Kricket (and Im guessing everyone else on here), thought the song choice was strange, but it was out of my mind until you thought it necessary to start a thread about it

[Hold My Own]

you exhaust me.

I need a nap

[Schfourteenteen]

Thrift Shop by Macklemore would be a much better song for our students.

[ballah09]

who cares? fundamentalists can be annoying

[jbock13]

Logic, c'mon man. If you're a student, you're not a college intellectual. You're obviously driven to be in academia. And while you are on your way, you're not there yet.

[jack_sparrow81]

I agree with logic on this one and Reebok needs to come back out with the Pumps.

[Purple Haize]

I agree with logic on this one and Reebok needs to come back out with the Pumps.

FINALLY!

[Purple Haize]

I did not even think about the students singing along. So imagine 8,000 Liberty students singing

"All the other kids with the pumped up kicks,
You better run, better run, outrun my gun.
All the other kids with the pumped up kicks,
You better run, better run, faster than my bullet."


Listen people we aren't talking about deer hunting here, we're talking about gunning down students in school hallways.

I am not a fundie by any means. I do however have class and taste. This just does not strike me as a song college intellectuals should be singing along to. Call me elitist, that is fine. We are at an institution of higher education and a Christian one at that, and we are singing about high school students trying to outrun bullets in the hallways. I wonder, do they play this song at Columbine football games?

So a QB can have a cannon or gun for an arm. He can throw bullets. The exhortation is for someone to try to outrun the QB's gun of an arm. Prolific passers are known as gun slingers. Works for me

[jbock13]

More guns = less crime.

[alabama24]

I loved this song when it came out but then my wife (who is a school teacher) told me the words and now I have to agree I dont think it has a place at LU games or in my personal playlist.


The argument of "this is what the kids listen to like it or not" or "all the kids like it" doesnt really work for me. If you just think about something like this rationally, there really isnt to much sin that people dont enjoy or like...but obviously we still shouldnt do it. You just have to be careful about that type of mentality because before you know it, it will find its way in more and more of your thinking.

Not to mention our student body is known for singing the lyrics for songs that play...hearing thousands of kids in unison singing this would make me cringe a bit.

+1 - I don't know the song, but based upon what I have read here, I quite agree with HMO.

[LUaddict]

I think that this is being blown out of proportion, I get it that it has these type of lyrics that might be disconcerting. Average, if not the majority of the people do not think about the lyrics into such depth that it is such an outrage. Get over it, most college and young kids don't care, or less even pay attention.

[jbock13]

You know, since the singer can't sing and has to by the aid of a telephone line, the words are difficult to understand

[thepostman]

bottom line is, the song is highly annoying.

[logic]

bottom line is, the song is highly annoying.

That. Not that it actually being a good song would make it any better, but to top off the awful lyrics it really is a BAD song to begin with.

Average, if not the majority of the people do not think about the lyrics into such depth that it is such an outrage. Get over it, most college and young kids don't care, or less even pay attention.

This is a problem, and perhaps more so the problem is that you don't see it as a problem. We're in college. We're supposed to be learning, exploring, etc., not blindly singing along with the latest pop music disaster train wreck of a song with no regard whatsoever for the lyrical content or the actual meaning of said lyrics. We're supposed to be thinking here at Liberty, right?

Pop music is for 12 year old girls. Grab a book and some Carl Orff, kids.

[adam42381]

Pop music is for 12 year old girls. Grab a book and some Carl Orff, kids.

[jbock13]

Pop music is for 12 year old girls. Grab a book and some Carl Orff, kids.

Who even is that guy? I mean like metal and I have a 3.2 GPA...

[adam42381]

Pop music is for 12 year old girls. Grab a book and some Carl Orff, kids.

Who even is that guy? I mean like metal and I have a 3.2 GPA...

German composer who had debatable Nazi ties. He was married 4 times and basically had nothing to do with his own daughter. Oh, and his most popular song was about sex and drinking. Sounds like he was writing pop songs before pop music came around.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/ja ... ina-burana
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... Id=6471891

[jbock13]

Wow nice. So, "logic" is mad about Pumped Up Kicks, but he listens to that?

Great research work adam!

[Purple Haize]

German composer who had debatable Nazi ties. He was married 4 times and basically had nothing to do with his own daughter. Oh, and his most popular song was about sex and drinking. Sounds like he was writing pop songs before pop music came around.

Maybe he meant M or Mousse T

[01LUGrad]

bottom line is, the song is highly annoying.

This is the correct answer.
I play music at our high school games for two reasons:
1. Get the team and crowd pumped up
2. Get the crowd to sing along and keep them interested in something while the team stinks it up on the field because the songs from reason #1 failed miserably

This song doesn't pump anyone up (unless your name is "Kicks") and it is not something I would want a group of people in any setting singing along to.

Lose the song and play good music.
That is all.

[ProudPapa73]

Here's my choice - LU's Toby Mac
'nuff said! (sorry )
Go Flames!


You turned away when I looked you in the eye,
And hesitated when I asked if you were alright,
Seems like you're fighting for you life,
But why? oh why?
Wide awake in the middle of your nightmare,
You saw it comin' but it hit you outta no where,
And theres always scars
When you fall back far

We lose our way,
We get back up again
It's never too late to get back up again,
One day you will shine again,
You may be knocked down,
But not out forever,
Lose our way,
We get back up again,
So get up, get up,
You gonna shine again,
Never too late to get back up again,
You may be knocked down,
But not out forever
(May be knocked down but not out forever)

You're rolled out at the dawning of the day
Heart racin' as you made you little get away,
It feels like you've been runnin' all your life
But, why? Oh why?

So you've pulled away from the love that would've been there,
You start believin' that your situation's unfair

But there's always scars,
When you fall back far

We lose our way,
We get back up again
Never too late to get back up again,
One day, you gonna shine again,
You may be knocked down but not out forever,
Lose our way, we get back up again,
So get up, get up
You gonna shine again
It's never too late, to get back up again
You may be knocked down, but not out forever,
May be knocked down, but not out forever!

This is love callin', love callin', out to the broken,
This is love callin'.
This is love callin', love callin', out to the broken
This is love callin'.
This is love callin', love callin',
I am so broken
This is love callin' love callin

Lose our way, (way way way ay ay ay)
We get back up, (get back up again)
It's never too late (late late late ate ate ate)
You may be knocked down but not out forever!

Lose our way,
We get back up again,
So get up get up
You gonna shine again
Never too late to get back up again
You may be knocked down,
But not out forever,

This is love (lose our way) callin' love callin' (get back up again)
To the broken
This is love (never too late) callin'
(may be knocked down but not out forever)
This is love (lose our way) callin' love callin' (we get back up again)
To the broken
This is love (never too late) callin'
(may be knocked down but not out forever)

This is love callin' love callin'
Out to the broken,
This is love callin'....

[logic]

bottom line is, the song is highly annoying.

This song doesn't pump anyone up (unless your name is "Kicks") and it is not something I would want a group of people in any setting singing along to.

Lose the song and play good music.
That is all.

That.

German composer who had debatable Nazi ties. He was married 4 times and basically had nothing to do with his own daughter. Oh, and his most popular song was about sex and drinking. Sounds like he was writing pop songs before pop music came around.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/2009/ja ... ina-burana
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... Id=6471891

This is the important part of the article you failed to highlight..

"More than 60 years after the collapse of the Third Reich, the continuing popularity of Carmina Burana looks like outliving the taint of association that has harmed both the work and the composer for so long. An all-guns-blazing staging of the piece, devised by Franz Abraham and involving 250 performers, is due at London's O2 Arena later this month. The musical establishment may continue to agonise over the important question of whether a bad man can produce a great piece of work, or whether Orff's sub-Stravinskyan ostinatos are an explicit homage to the ethnic paganism in which the Nazis wallowed. But the musical public decided long ago that it has no such inhibitions."

Secondly, you also failed to mention that the original Carmina Burana text and specifically O Fortuna was written in the 12th century...Orff did not write the lyrics, he simply put it to music. Nice try.


Oh Fortuna

O Fortune,
like the moon
you are changeable,
ever waxing
and waning;
hateful life
first oppresses
and then soothes
as fancy takes it;
poverty
and power
it melts them like ice.

Fate – monstrous
and empty,
you whirling wheel,
you are malevolent,
well-being is vain
and always fades to nothing,
shadowed
and veiled
you plague me too;
now through the game
I bring my bare back
to your villainy.

Fate is against me
in health
and virtue,
driven on
and weighted down,
always enslaved.
So at this hour
without delay
pluck the vibrating strings;
since Fate
strikes down the strong man,
everyone weep with me!


Pumped up Kicks or Carmina Burana? You decide -

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By the way, Andre Rieu was spectacular in this performance!!

[JK37]

I've performed this myself...at Liberty...while a student.

[El Scorcho]

I think what I'm missing here is where a fictional song becomes a glorification or endorsement of gun violence.

I do kind of understand it not fitting at a football game, but I'm not sure I understand the opposition to the song in general. It's just a work of fiction from the point of view of a fictional character. Are we really so intellectually stunted that we can't consider the point of view of a fictional character without seeing the existence of the story as an endorsement or glorification? It seems to me that a lot of creative works should get tossed if that's the way we're going to look at it.