[bradyfan]

If Cowher or Gruden coach college, I can almost guarantee they won't coach an ACC school...

[bigsmooth]

really now?? Cowher is an NC State grad who has a home in raleigh. If tom o'brien is fired and Cowher wants to take a look at college coaching that would be a nice fit and it is certainly not out of reason.

[bradyfan]

really now?? Cowher is an NC State grad who has a home in raleigh. If tom o'brien is fired and Cowher wants to take a look at college coaching that would be a nice fit and it is certainly not out of reason.

That's fine but I highly doubt Cowher wants to go from winning a superbowl and being a national commentator, to coaching games being featured on Raycom...

[bigsmooth]

its called going back to your alma mater. too many names to list of coaches who have gone back to their alma mater whether it works or not. Cowher may want a new challenge and doing that at a place he calls special to him could be that fit. Im not saying he would because he has repeatedly dismissed other NFL jobs, but it is not far-fetched like you think it is. carry on

[bradyfan]

It's one thing to go back to your alma-mater. It's another thing to go coach a school that has a very little history of being successful. Not to mention, Raleigh isn't exactly one of the premier places to coach. If Cowher were really old and just wanted a five year job to try and prove himself before he passes, that's one thing. However, he's only 53...he has alot more left in the tank. He had arguably the best coaching job in the NFL and now he's an analyst for a major network. He may very well end up at NC State in 10-15 years from now but I think there's no way he would take over that team now. If he goes to coach college, it's going to be a big time program.

[Purple Haize]

Yeah. Why would someone like Cowher want a challenge. Can't think why someone wouldn't want to build up their alma mater into a national presence. Who would ever want to go from the 24/7/365 that is the life of an NFL Coach to the relatively more laid back life style of a college coach. Or trade in the credibility of a broadcaster to the irrelevancy of a college coach in an AQ conference.

[bigsmooth]

[bradyfan]

Steve Spurrier Jr. is a Duke grad...you don't see him going back to his alma mater to coach in an AQ conference and build a program. That's Steve Spurrier Jr. It would actually make sense for him to do that and he won't. If Steve Spurrier Jr. won't step that low into the ACC forget about Bill Cowher. I know NC State might be at a different level than Duke, but they're not that much better at this point.

[Purple Haize]

Steve Spurrier Jr. is a Duke grad...you don't see him going back to his alma mater to coach in an AQ conference and build a program. That's Steve Spurrier Jr. It would actually make sense for him to do that and he won't. If Steve Spurrier Jr. won't step that low into the ACC forget about Bill Cowher. I know NC State might be at a different level than Duke, but they're not that much better at this point.

You do realize that his dad coached there right? And he was pretty successful. So that would add another layer to it. He would be compared to his father and people would constantly be asking when he would leave and for what job. That wouldnt be the case with Cower at State.
Also, Duke is pretty happy with who that currently have on the sidelines.

[bradyfan]

Oh, so Steve Jr. wouldn't like a challenge? His dad was successful there which, in my opinion, would be all the reason more for him to go. I'm not advocating that Duke fires Cutcliffe and hires Steve Jr. I'm just showing you the comparison. He's had opportunities to go back to Duke in the past and has never expressed interest. The point I'm making is that going back your alma-mater is one thing, but if your alma-mater sucks that's another thing. I highly doubt that Cowher goes to coach State. At least, for right now. If Cowher goes back to coaching, it's more than likely going to be in the NFL. If he coaches college, Penn State, Notre Dame or Florida would likely give him some kind of offer, and no one with half a brain would turn those down to go to Raleigh.

[bradyfan]

Btw, I'm a Duke fan and the consensus among most of us is that if we don't make a bowl next year, Cutcliffe isn't much better than any of the coaches in the past. We're content with him right now but his job isn't exactly going to be safe if he keeps having 3 win seasons.

[Purple Haize]

Urban Meyer Bob Stoops Jim Harbaugh among others have turned down the Notre Dame job. Granted they didnt go to Raleigh but that is not the job it used to be. The Penn St job is going to be a tough one for awhile.
The Spurrier Jr comparison isn't a valid one to begin with. Roy Williams may be a better one

[logic]

Before you throw the open Penn State position under the bus, keep in mind the following

1. 16-18 year old males forget quickly and kids still want to play there
2. Facilities are top notch with the second largest stadium in the country (and as seen against Nebraska they will fill it even with this scandal)
3. Almost unlimted resources
4. Fertile recruiting grounds
5. As good as Joe was his last of two national titles was in 86, nearly 30 years ago. The next coach will have a chance to return Penn State to the glory days of the 70's, 80's, early 90's. (should have been national champs in '94)


PSU is a sleeping giant. With the right coach they won't lose a beat, maybe down for two years at most.

[bradyfan]

Urban Meyer Bob Stoops Jim Harbaugh among others have turned down the Notre Dame job. Granted they didnt go to Raleigh but that is not the job it used to be. The Penn St job is going to be a tough one for awhile.
The Spurrier Jr comparison isn't a valid one to begin with. Roy Williams may be a better one

I agree that ND isn't what it used to be. I'm not saying it is, but Cowher won't take NC State over ND. That's my point. I really doubt Cowher coaches college to be honest. You could probably put that at about a 5% chance. That's why I think the whole Cowher to NC State talk is ridiculous. Even if Cowher goes to coach college, he isn't going to a program that can't win in a crappy conference. Perhaps if NC State were in the any other AQ conference, besides the Big East, we might have a different story. The Spurrier Jr comparison is perfectly valid. Sure there's a large gap in success but the comparison had to do with a coach going back to his alma-mater. Therefore, it had more to do with what the school could offer the coach rather than what the coach can offer the school. I just think a coach who has won super bowls and been in the national spotlight for the past 20 years, isn't going to take a job at a crappy school in a crappy conference.

[Purple Haize]

I think you are really undervaluing both the ACC and NC State.

Agree. Plus IMO NC State has more upside potential then ND. The ACC has some pretty good teams in it. I would rank it comparable to the PAC Whatever from top to bottom.

[Sly Fox]

Now you all are getting loopy. Come one ... we're still talking about the ACC. Sure, NC State has upside. That's what happens when you are in a BCS league and never do anything. Potential is always there.

[Purple Haize]

Now you all are getting loopy. Come one ... we're still talking about the ACC. Sure, NC State has upside. That's what happens when you are in a BCS league and never do anything. Potential is always there.

Glad you agree. It's easier to get players in there then ND. Oregon is pretty studly and Stanford is on a nice swing. But Va Tech, Florida St Georgia Tech etc have had some pretty good teams over the years. And the ACC bottom dweller is much better then Washinton St!

[bradyfan]

I think you are really undervaluing both the ACC and NC State.

Agree. Plus IMO NC State has more upside potential then ND. The ACC has some pretty good teams in it. I would rank it comparable to the PAC Whatever from top to bottom.

Yeah, the best of the ACC really played well against the best of the PAC last year in the Orange bowl. I guess I forgot that the ACC has two national championship competitor and a re-establishing dynasty. When was the last time the ACC had a team compete for the national championship? Or the last time they won a BCS game against a worthy opponent? The Mountain West could own the ACC. I'm a Duke fan and a VT fan and I love the ACC...but stop lying to yourselves. The ACC would be the laughing stock of the AQ conferences if the Big East didn't fill that spot.

[bradyfan]

Oh and by best of the PAC, I mean 2nd best of the PAC last year. I forgot that Stanford finished second...the ACC really is that bad. haha

[Hold My Own]

Geez, I havent read the board in months and come back to find out Rocco is leaving for Penn State...we need a mobile alert system or something!

[bradyfan]

ha, I'm not arrogant. The arrogant one's are the one's who really don't recognize the mediocrity, that is the, ACC.

Here's a list from the top four teams from All AQ conferences. Let's see how the ACC matches up...

ACC

1. Clemson #7
2. VT #8
3. Florida State #25
4. UVA NR

The best win from all of these schools came from Clemson beating Aurburn...

B1G

1. Michigan State #15
2. Penn St. # 21
3. Wisconsin #16
4. Michigan #18

Might I add that that with the exception of two games, all these teams losses have been to each other. Best win Illinois over #22 Arizona State

Big 12

1. Oklahoma St. #2
2. Oklahoma #5
3. K St. #13
4. Baylor #22

Best win: Oklahoma over then #5 FSU in FSU or Baylor over TCU

Pac 12

1. Oregon #4
2. Stanford #9
3. USC #18
4. Washington

Best win: Arizona State over #21 Mizzou

SEC

1. LSU #1
2. Alabama #3
3. Arkansas # 6
4. UGA # 13

Best win: LSU over #3 Oregon

The past five champions have been from the SEC. Every AQ conference, except for the ACC and Big East, has had a team compete in the national championship since 2003. You could put the top four of the ACC against the top four of any other AQ conference and I bet the ACC doesn't do better than 1-3.

There isn't anything to undersell about this conference. VT wins the conference every year and they can't even beat Boise State or keep Stanford within 30. Like I said, I'm an ACC fan and I know this conference is mediocre at best.

[Cider Jim]

But as usual CJ, you're absolutely ignorant.

I really wish Sweat had different initials.

[Purple Haize]

But as usual CJ, you're absolutely ignorant.

I really wish Sweat had different initials.

C'mon. We all know it is your alter ego!

He needs reading comprehension classes. Although Psych 101 would tell you that confusing ignorant and arrogant lends to deeper personal insecurities. But I skipped the next class to sleep in! Ha

From top to bottom means EVERY team not just the top 2 or 4. Stanford won't have Andrew Luck for 10 years. USC won't be d own. FSU and Miami will resurge. Again. Not saying the ACC = SEC but it is on par with PAC WHATEVER.
And in case you missed it CJ is a DUKE/VA Tech fan. So since he is the fan of at LEAST 2 teams has more insight to all things ACC then any of us. Respect his au-thor-I-tie!

[From the class of 09]

B1G

1. Michigan State #15
2. Penn St. # 21
3. Wisconsin #16
4. Michigan #18

Pretty sure you missed one GBR!

[alabama24]

B1G

1. Michigan State #15
2. Penn St. # 21
3. Wisconsin #16
4. Michigan #18

Pretty sure you missed one GBR!

Nebraska didn't get any love from the Big12. Now it doesn't get any love from the Big10.
Actually, 09, I think Nebraska made a GREAT move. Nebraska & the Big10 are a good fit for one another. My wife is a Michigan fan and I look forward to watching Nebraska play more often now.