[clemsonlu]

seriously, your gonna bring the clemson bs to a LU forum? Your program isnt exactly a beacon of winning as of late either my friend. Spurrier dumped the whiney mofo's from USC who sucked or wouldn't play. Please get back to us when the ACC can actually stand toe to toe with a SEC school ( disregarding the usc/clem rivalry)

LU is happy to have any FBS player just about, if you have what it takes to play in the best conference in the world then you can probably play in the BSC.

I think if we go back to my original point, which was that LU needs to be careful who they bring in to their program especially when it comes to transfers. I hope Beecher can come in and impact immediately. He has to. My concern is when you bring in players from a program like SCU (especially the players who you said Spurrier kicked off the team because they are whiners or suck) it can negatively impact your program.

I think if a player had what it took to play in the "best conference in the world" he would still be on the team at SCU not transferring as a Senior to a FCS school.

Why should I disregard the SCU/Clemson rivalry. Just because SCU plays is the "best conference in the world" doesn't make them a beacon of brilliance. Truth is that SCU is more of a beacon of mediocrity and taking players from that program may perpetuate mediocrity into the program at LU.

[RagingTireFire]

Arguing with yourself proves nothing, c-lu.

[clemsonlu]

seriously, your gonna bring the clemson bs to a LU forum? Your program isnt exactly a beacon of winning as of late either my friend. Spurrier dumped the whiney mofo's from USC who sucked or wouldn't play. Please get back to us when the ACC can actually stand toe to toe with a SEC school ( disregarding the usc/clem rivalry)

LU is happy to have any FBS player just about, if you have what it takes to play in the best conference in the world then you can probably play in the BSC.

I think if we go back to my original point, which was that LU needs to be careful who they bring in to their program especially when it comes to transfers. I hope Beecher can come in and impact immediately. He has to. My concern is when you bring in players from a program like SCU (especially the players who you said Spurrier kicked off the team because they are whiners or suck) it can negatively impact your program.

I think if a player had what it took to play in the "best conference in the world" he would still be on the team at SCU not transferring as a Senior to a FCS school.

Why should I disregard the SCU/Clemson rivalry. Just because SCU plays is the "best conference in the world" doesn't make them a beacon of brilliance. Truth is that SCU is more of a beacon of mediocrity and taking players from that program may perpetuate mediocrity into the program at LU.

[coastalfan1]

Arguing with yourself proves nothing, c-lu.

check the ip's we arnt even in the same county

btw clemson you and i both know the acc gets raped by the sec every year.

http://www.secsportsfan.com/sec-vs-acc-football.html

So, what is the SEC vs ACC football all-time, head-to-head, football record? Here you go (updated through the 2006 season):


The SEC holds an 251-117-10 (.677) all-time advantage.

In the past 10 years (1998-2007) the SEC leads the ACC in head-to-head games with a 41-30-0 (.577) record.

the acc is a joke compared to the SEC. If we had yearly playoffs the sec would win every year

you just enjoy your joke of a coach

[flames1971]

Arguing with yourself proves nothing, c-lu.

check the ip's we arnt even in the same county

btw clemson you and i both know the acc gets raped by the sec every year.

http://www.secsportsfan.com/sec-vs-acc-football.html

So, what is the SEC vs ACC football all-time, head-to-head, football record? Here you go (updated through the 2006 season):


The SEC holds an 251-117-10 (.677) all-time advantage.

In the past 10 years (1998-2007) the SEC leads the ACC in head-to-head games with a 41-30-0 (.577) record.

the acc is a joke compared to the SEC. If we had yearly playoffs the sec would win every year

you just enjoy your joke of a coach

[clemsonlu]

Arguing with yourself proves nothing, c-lu.

check the ip's we arnt even in the same county

btw clemson you and i both know the acc gets raped by the sec every year.

http://www.secsportsfan.com/sec-vs-acc-football.html

So, what is the SEC vs ACC football all-time, head-to-head, football record? Here you go (updated through the 2006 season):


The SEC holds an 251-117-10 (.677) all-time advantage.

In the past 10 years (1998-2007) the SEC leads the ACC in head-to-head games with a 41-30-0 (.577) record.

the acc is a joke compared to the SEC. If we had yearly playoffs the sec would win every year

you just enjoy your joke of a coach

Dude,
I don't want to tie up this thread arguing SEC v ACC. My point is about SCU not the SEC. If you ask the average SEC team from any other school SCU is an embarrassment to their conference. Truth is that SCU does play in a powerful conference, but are not very competitive in any sport other than Baseball. Look at your stat above. How many of the conference head to head losses does SCU account for? Find the stats that matter below. As I stated this is a discussion about transfers from other schools like SCU who could pollute the culture Coach Rocco is trying to build. at LU.

SCU's stellar record
Alabama 3-10
Arkansas 7-10
Augusta YMCA 0-1
Clemson 37-65-4
Davidson 6-14
Duke 17-24
Georgia 14-45-2
GaTech 9-12
Fla St 3-15
Florida 4-22
LSU 2-16-1
Maryland 11-17
Miami 5-8-2
UNC 17-34-4
Overall 528-529-44





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[olldflame]

clemsonlu, have you met CMII and inthebeginning? They like to conveniently cherry pick only the stats that support their position too. So South Carolina is basically .500 over the lifetime of the program. Clearly then, with all the losses you were careful to share with us, they must have had a winning record against some teams too.

[flamesfilmguy]

well played sir! thats a great picture. not that i agree but i think its funny. and instead of a gamecock there should be a MSU bulldog on there as far as football is concerned:) IMO

[clemsonlu]

clemsonlu, have you met CMII and inthebeginning? They like to conveniently cherry pick only the stats that support their position too. So South Carolina is basically .500 over the lifetime of the program. Clearly then, with all the losses you were careful to share with us, they must have had a winning record against some teams too.

source

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_is_the_h ... _Gamecocks

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/di ... onents.php
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[coastalfan1]

Arguing with yourself proves nothing, c-lu.

Dude,
I don't want to tie up this thread arguing SEC v ACC.
My point is about SCU not the SEC. If you ask the average SEC team from any other school SCU is an embarrassment to their conference. Truth is that SCU does play in a powerful conference

But it is, to understand SC you must understand the SEC. Look at their SOS

2001-33 clem-46
2002-21 clem-13
2003-9 clem-23
2004- 61 clem-20
2005-45 clem-44
2006-16 clem:59
2007-8 Clem:41
2008-3 clem:29

avg= 24.5 34.375

Bit of a difference there.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/fbt08.htm


but are not very competitive in any sport other than Baseball.


The University offers club, intramural, and varsity sports. Its 19 varsity sports teams compete in the Southeastern Conference (except for soccer which competes in Conference USA) and are known as the Gamecocks. The Gamecocks have won six national team championships: 2002 NCAA championship in women's track & field, 2005 & 2007 National Championship in women's equestrian, and 2005-2007 Hunt Seat National Championships in women's equestrian. Also, the men's and women's track & field teams have produced many NCAA individual champions, world championship medalists, and Olympic medalists. The men's baseball and basketball teams have also produced Olympic medalists. Other significant accomplishments include: 2005 NCAA runner-up in women's track & field; NCAA runner-up three times in baseball (2002, 1977, 1975); 1993 NCAA runner-up in men's soccer; and 2005 & 2006 NIT championships in men's basketball. See grid at the main article for other championships.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University ... #Athletics


You know dang well if someone can play in the SEC they most likely can play in a FCS conference, the kids coming from SC arnt of questionable charcter, if they were they woulndt be playing at liberty. We both know that clemson and SC have quite a few thugs on their 2 teams. Would you say that a clemson athlete is better suited to play at libery then a carolina one?

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awesome pic

[Th3rd]

whenever SCU is brought into a conversation i cant help but think of Lane Kiffin the Vols coach and this...

Jeffery and Calhoun County (S.C.) High School coach Walter Wilson told ESPN.com that during his recruiting pitch, Kiffin told Jeffery he would end up pumping gas for the rest of his life like all the other players in the state of South Carolina if he signed with the Gamecocks.

[TheLouder]

whenever SCU is brought into a conversation i cant help but think of Lane Kiffin the Vols coach and this...

Jeffery and Calhoun County (S.C.) High School coach Walter Wilson told ESPN.com that during his recruiting pitch, Kiffin told Jeffery he would end up pumping gas for the rest of his life like all the other players in the state of South Carolina if he signed with the Gamecocks.

wow.

[Eagle Ed]

The CU fan is really laughable.

He comes in here - not to intelligently discuss LU - but only to bash USC.

What a loser.

As a LU grad, I don't have a dog in that fight --- but I will make this observation: compared to Clemson, USC plays in a MUCH better football conference, they have a better stadium, a better city, and has given the NFL a ton of players. Gamecocks that I recall include: John Abraham, George Rogers, Sterling Sharpe, Robert Brooks, Sheldon Brown, Bobby Bryant, Dan Reeves, Brad Edwards, Travelle Wharton, Johnathan Joseph, Corey Miller, Alex Hawkins, Troy Williamson, Sidney Rice, Stanley Pritchett, Dunta Robinson, Willie Scott, Max Runager, Kalimba Edwards, Ko Simpson, Duce Staley ... I read somewhere that they've had over 120 players play in the NFL.

I said all of that to say this: CU-lover go somewhere else with the anti-USC talk.

USC has been very good for us. You yourself complimented our AD (JB) - and I do not think you know that USC is where we got him. We absolutely love our baseball coach --- and again, we got him from USC. (And we also share the great Bobby Richardson - truly an American sports icon). Football-wise, Stephen Sene has arguably been our best O Lineman ever - and to talk crap about his USC origin makes you look pretty bad.

Tommy Beecher is a devout Christian. He actually won the starting job last year - in the SEC - but injury benched him and he never really recovered. If Beecher says he's ready to go - and if Rocco has checked him out and also believes it -- then you are again barking up the wrong tree. Beecher is undoubtedly a pretty good QB - and we are glad to have him.

As for Freddie Brown --- I've done some checking and he is a very, very good possession receiver. USC has brought in a boat load of higher touted WRs every year Brown was there, and yet he continually found a way to scratch into playing time. THIS upcoming year saw several more "superstar" kids coming in - notably high 4-stars Alshon Jeffrey and Lamar Scruggs --- so Freddie (who no doubt likes Tommy Beecher as a QB) decided to cast his last lot with us. I, for one, am thrilled he's here - and with his size, moxie, and hands, I believe he will have a solid, positive impact.

Finally, as for the Lane Kiffin stuff - what a load of junk he is. He publicly called out Urban Myer - only to have to apologize because he was wrong. And the Alshon Jeffrey quote that was brought up only made Kiffin look like a liar and a cheater. He took a LOT of heat for those comments about USC. Finally, like him or not - Steve Spurrier is a LOCK for the college football Hall of Fame. CU has NEVER had a head coach with his class, style, and swagger. (And do not bring up Danny Ford - who got caught cheating and put CU on a long NCAA probation). We are not stupid - we know a little bit about college football ... and we can think for ourselves. Your fresh manure doesn't hide very well here.

Let's stick to Liberty University football news. When we start getting good players, coaches, and ADs from the Tigers, we'll talk about CU. Until then - do not come in here talking crap about USC.

[clemsonlu]

Eagle Ed,
I am glad that you either didn't read through the thread or didn't comprehend it. If you read my handle you will understand that I am a LU grad as well. I ultimately want what is best for the Liberty program. That is why I posted my concern about bringing in veteran players from football programs like usuc. I also stated that I trust Rocco and his judgment on Beecher. I am aware that he is a Christian and very interception prone.

I think that your post looses credibility early when you call me a loser rather than moving to the facts. I am not sure that we have met so that you can be informed as to if I am a loser, I assure you that I am not. .

I am not sure you are going to find many people away from USUC that will agree with you that Williams Bryce is better than Death Valley. It is not even on campus. You have to drive 15 miles to the fairgrounds to get there. Gameday atmospheres don't even compare. Ask anyone who has been to both.

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/conte ... CID=575506

Columbia is a city people are forced to drive through in between Charlotte and the Lowcountry, and is constantly used against SCU on the recruiting trail.

One thing that bothers me and fans from rival schools of USUC is when fans from USUC claim greatness based on the conference they play in. Should we start taking players from Vandy now just because they are in the SEC?

I am aware of Barber's previous employment at SCU. I think overall he has done a nice job at LU thus far. I am a bit concerned that he let McKay leave without a fight, and the direction our basketball team appears to be heading (APR results and kids leaving left and right.) I think we will see how good of an AD he is in the coming weeks with the hires he makes and the steps he takes to improve our academic standing.

I think if you look on the current football staff Brandon Streeter is our new OC. Check his background and you will see he played at Clemson. You will probably not see many Clemson players transferring to LU because the stay at Clemson and graduate from Clemson.

Let me reaffirm that my posts are primarily to express concern for our program at LU and the negative effect bringing the wrong players in can have.

Go Flames and Tigers!!!

[RagingTireFire]

If we could ban dompennix, why can't we ban these two?

[olldflame]

Eagle Ed,
I am glad that you either didn't read through the thread or didn't comprehend it. If you read my handle you will understand that I am a LU grad as well. I ultimately want what is best for the Liberty program. That is why I posted my concern about bringing in veteran players from football programs like usuc. I also stated that I trust Rocco and his judgment on Beecher. I am aware that he is a Christian and very interception prone.

I think that your post looses credibility early when you call me a loser rather than moving to the facts. I am not sure that we have met so that you can be informed as to if I am a loser, I assure you that I am not. .

I am not sure you are going to find many people away from USUC that will agree with you that Williams Bryce is better than Death Valley. It is not even on campus. You have to drive 15 miles to the fairgrounds to get there. Gameday atmospheres don't even compare. Ask anyone who has been to both.

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/conte ... CID=575506

Columbia is a city people are forced to drive through in between Charlotte and the Lowcountry, and is constantly used against SCU on the recruiting trail.

One thing that bothers me and fans from rival schools of USUC is when fans from USUC claim greatness based on the conference they play in. Should we start taking players from Vandy now just because they are in the SEC?

I am aware of Barber's previous employment at SCU. I think overall he has done a nice job at LU thus far. I am a bit concerned that he let McKay leave without a fight, and the direction our basketball team appears to be heading (APR results and kids leaving left and right.) I think we will see how good of an AD he is in the coming weeks with the hires he makes and the steps he takes to improve our academic standing.

I think if you look on the current football staff Brandon Streeter is our new OC. Check his background and you will see he played at Clemson. You will probably not see many Clemson players transferring to LU because the stay at Clemson and graduate from Clemson.

Let me reaffirm that my posts are primarily to express concern for our program at LU and the negative effect bringing the wrong players in can have.

Go Flames and Tigers!!!

OK, let's get our facts straight. The APR issues that led to our losing MBB scholarships were 100% a result of things that happened, or at least were well under way before Jeff Barber arrived, and they were part of the reason we had a coaching change. As far as "letting McKay go without a fight" is concerned, I'd be interested in your source on that. I won't hold my breath waiting to hear it though. Based on the reasons Richie gave for leaving, there is nothing JB could have said or done to keep him.

Kids leaving left and right? I guess you could say that because there are 2 of them. Reasons for both have been documented, and once again the idea that Jeff Barber had anything to do with it is laughable. Anyway, this is way sorry.

[clemsonlu]

Barber knew that McKay was being courted by Virginia Sunday afternoon and apparently was blindsided Monday morning when McKay notified him he was leaving. I would think they may schedule a meeting Sunday night to discuss details and what it would take to keep him at Liberty.

http://www.timesdispatch.com/rtd/news/l ... 06/246298/

My point really was that we will see how effective he is in the coming weeks with his hire and how he addresses the APR problem. I am not blaming him for the past of the program but will as you should hold him accountable for the future of the program.

[El Scorcho]

Barber knew that McKay was being courted by Virginia Sunday afternoon and apparently was blindsided Monday morning when McKay notified him he was leaving. I would think they may schedule a meeting Sunday night to discuss details and what it would take to keep him at Liberty.

If I've read correctly, I believe such a meeting did take place and McKay said he was staying, which is what lead to the surprise on Monday morning when he said the opposite.

[Eagle Ed]

clemsonlu said: "I am not sure you are going to find many people away from USUC that will agree with you that Williams Bryce is better than Death Valley. It is not even on campus. You have to drive 15 miles to the fairgrounds to get there. Gameday atmospheres don't even compare. Ask anyone who has been to both...

Columbia is a city people are forced to drive through in between Charlotte and the Lowcountry, and is constantly used against SCU on the recruiting trail.

One thing that bothers me and fans from rival schools of USUC is when fans from USUC claim greatness based on the conference they play in. Should we start taking players from Vandy now just because they are in the SEC? I am aware of Barber's previous employment at SCU."

..............................

Wow ... what a bitter bitter hatred you have for USC!!! You really need to let that go. This is an LU board - and we talk LU sports --- and to continue to bash the USC Gamecocks of the SEC is really childish. (And if "loser" offended you - I apologize... maybe that was a bit harsh. It just seemed to fit...)

You try to have cred, but you consistently call them USUC or SCU --- and you call their stadium Williams Bryce (when you know it is Williams Brice) --- and your cartoons (although funny) demonstrate what you are really all about. You hate the Gamecocks WAY MORE than you love the Flames. It shows badly. Again - I have no dog in this fight (my undergrad and masters are from LU and our Seminary) --- but I can't stand by and watch you bash a school for NO reason whatsoever. The Gamecocks are a fine school and we've certainly gained because of them.

Oh --- I HAVE been to games at both places -- and I really do prefer USC. The USC campus sprawls on the outskirts of downtown - and you can SEE Williams Brice from the school, from downtown, from the old baseball stadium, etc. The "15 miles" quip is just plain untruthful. (Now - don't get me totally wrong. I think Death Valley is pretty - especially at dusk with the Blue Ridge mountains in the distance ... BUT, that said, to me, rubbing a rock is not nearly as cool as the "2001" entrance of USC's. AND, by the way, my beloved LU Flames have "borrowed" that very "2001" entrance. Come on, is that part of your hate factor?

Anyway, regardless of your obvious hate and prejudice, Columbia is NOT a "forced drive through". I don't live there, never lived there - but I have been there on business (Clemson too - on the way to the Duke Energy nuclear plant at Oconee). I-77, I-26, I-20 ALL run to Columbia - as it is in the VERY CENTER of SC.

Knowing how UVA folks put down the "cow school" Va Tech ... and knowing how the UNC folks puts down the "cow school" NC State --- I am well aware of how the USC folks put down the "cow school" Clemson. It IS a hard pill to swallow --- but THE University of South Carolina IS your STATE UNIVERSITY. Just deal with it. They are journalists, politicians, lawyers, businessmen and such --- Clemson is agricultural, engineers and such -- again, make some kind of peace and try to deal with it - bad-mouthing them on our VA school board changes nothing. We are not stupid. We know ALL about USC, Clemson, the ACC, the SEC, college football -- and we can sniff out your prejudices. Take it to CU's boards.

Also, the city of Columbia (like it or not) IS the STATE CAPITAL of SC, and it IS the STATE FAIR grounds (something aggie students should like actually), and arguably it IS the single largest city in SC. My Lynchurg is only 71K or so - so Columbia looks pretty big to me. (Columbia alone is 125K ... Charleston is 110K ... N. Charleston is 91K ... Greenville is 59K). I'm sorry --- nothing you say is really truthful. Again, you really need to let all of that pent-up anger against USC go. They've been good to us.

Oh and finally, I do hope Brandon Streeter - the brand new OC - is good for LU. I am pulling for him to be successful. And that reminds me -- for him to keep his job, he (and you) better hope that USC's Tommy Beecher and USC's Freddie Brown come through for him in a big, big way!!!!!! (Come on, if Streeter hates all things USC like you do - that's a funny thought right there).

Let's get back to talking LU football... Anybody think we could use an ex-SEC, 6'3" WR who is known as a possession guy with great hands?

[clemsonlu]

Eagle Ed,
Let me finalize this. I am a Clemson Fan, I do not like SCU, I am a Liberty fan. The primary purpose of my post is to express concern about bringing in players from other programs that are mediocre on and off the field. It is well documented that SCU has had multiple off the field problems. My concern is not limited to SCU but extends to other programs with program problems.

I hope you are right that these players will come in and contribute positively. Hold me accountable to my statements in the fall. I hope I can come on here and thank these guys for helping us get to the playoffs for the first time in a long time.

Let's agree to disagree on which school is superior in the state of South Carolina. I think the numbers are on my side though.

[BJWilliams]

Frankly you two I dont give a flying hoot at this point. Couldnt you take all the personal attacks and general angriness toward each other to private messages or something? Not to mention...WE ARENT WORRIED ABOUT WHICH SCHOOL IS BETTER IN THE STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA! This is VIRGINIA!

[olldflame]

clemsonlu, if it would make you feel better, I think I can safely say that if any former starters from Clemson who are comitted christians want to transfer to LU and play football, I'm sure we'll take them. There........................ feel better?

[Eagle Ed]

"clemsonlu, if it would make you feel better, I think I can safely say that if any former starters from Clemson who are comitted christians want to transfer to LU and play football, I'm sure we'll take them. There........................ feel better? Rolling Eyes"

I concur.
Sorry I had to call you out - just trying to be fair.
All I care about is LU winning and getting to the next level (meaning: play-offs, not BCS )