[SuperJon]

Unless Lafayette complains, most referees are not going to say anything. Why shouldn't we push the envelope with it? They always warn the school before a penalty is enforced, so why not push it until you get the warning?

[RagingTireFire]

they are Big South refs

Are they not using the same rule book?

[SuperJon]

they are Big South refs

No they're not. There is no such thing as "Big South refs."

[Rooster Cogburn]

The rule is that the music must stop when the teams come to the line, right?

[SuperJon]

Would you rather us just funnel in fake crowd noise like Richmond?

[RagingTireFire]

The rule is that the music must stop when the teams come to the line, right?

The rules don't say anything about music, per se.

[Rooster Cogburn]

I was just asking for rule clarification. I personally thought the whole thing was great the music and even the announcer did good with it.

[LUconn]

Also, by rule, "unfair noise" is determined at the referee's discretion so I'm amazed at the depth of knowledge on this board that can decisively determine when the PA announcer is doing something "illegal" when the referee on the field cannot.

You people astound me. And not in a good way.

Yes because a ref has never been wrong before.

6. Persons subject to the rules, including bands, shall not create any noise that prohibits a team from hearing its signals (Rule 1-1-6). PENALTY—Dead-ball foul. 15 yards [S7 and S27] from the succeeding spot.

Every single rule in the game of football is at the referee's discretion, obviously. They're not there just to keep score. Example: We scored a touchdown in the 4th quarter and at the discretion of the ref, they called turnover on downs.

[RagingTireFire]

Yes because a ref has never been wrong before.

I'm not even dignifying that. You people who show up once a week and think you know more than the people who've actually been trained for something are beyond belief.

6. Persons subject to the rules, including bands, shall not create any noise that prohibits a team from hearing its signals (Rule 1-1-6). PENALTY—Dead-ball foul. 15 yards [S7 and S27] from the succeeding spot.

Every single rule in the game of football is at the referee's discretion, obviously. They're not there just to keep score. Example: We scored a touchdown in the 4th quarter and at the discretion of the ref, they called turnover on downs.

If you'd read any further, you would have seen that the referee has the discretion to call an official timeout to address any "noise situation".

While we're at it, there is a distinct difference between an official's discretion and the hard and fast rules of the game. A turnover on downs is not at the discretion of the referee.

[LUconn]

Come on as long as we're getting high and mighty not dignifying things I should take this opportunity but... The turnover on downs is a result of a subjective ball spotting (a poor one in this situation). I'm not suggesting he should have given us 5th down.


But seriously, are you saying that a fan can never be correct vs a ref because we "show up once a week". I think I could find a ref who can admit that they're wrong sometimes while the fans are right. It might have happened one time.

[RagingTireFire]

But seriously, are you saying that a fan can never be correct vs a ref because we "show up once a week".

I think the odds are distinctly in the ref's favor. And, in Ed Hochuli's world, nobody complains about noise from their own team's PA system.

[jcmanson]

The turnover on downs is a result of a subjective ball spotting (a poor one in this situation). I'm not suggesting he should have given us 5th down.

You really think so? I watched the replay hoping that to be the case and you can’t see Rashad or the ball once he goes into the pile. And I didn’t see anything that would make me think he got in. I did have that horrible feeling in my stomach when the refs ran in to spot the ball that I had at the W&M game last year.

[ALUmnus]

Yes because a ref has never been wrong before.

I'm not even dignifying that. You people who show up once a week and think you know more than the people who've actually been trained for something are beyond belief.

Dude, that's sad that you actually went there with your argument. You're usually pretty good with backing up what you're talking about, but this was not a good example of that.

[RagingTireFire]

Yes because a ref has never been wrong before.

I'm not even dignifying that. You people who show up once a week and think you know more than the people who've actually been trained for something are beyond belief.

Dude, that's sad that you actually went there with your argument. You're usually pretty good with backing up what you're talking about, but this was not a good example of that.

How so? Did some of you guys play PeeWee ball? Well, then I stand corrected. Clearly, the official is always wrong in light of your expansive collective football intellect. After all, the message board elite are surely more correct than a person who goes through years of training and constant evaluation. If it were only their paychecks on the line and not a simple Saturday afternoon pasttime, surely they would be better suited to the exacting standards that this board requires -- nay, demands!!

Please.

[LUconn]

It's been mentioned a couple times already, but that third down music is definitely illegal. I felt like I was at an NBA game. They blasted it right up to the snap on a few occasions, and it did cost LC a delay of game penalty. I can't believe that their coach didn't complain about it.

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How so? Did some of you guys play PeeWee ball? Well, then I stand corrected. Clearly, the official is always wrong in light of your expansive collective football intellect. After all, the message board elite are surely more correct than a person who goes through years of training and constant evaluation. If it were only their paychecks on the line and not a simple Saturday afternoon pasttime, surely they would be better suited to the exacting standards that this board requires -- nay, demands!!

Please.

A ref while more knowledgeable as a whole than your average or even above average fan, can still get something wrong that the fan happens to get right. It's not unpossible.

[RagingTireFire]

You must be a lawyer. You'd argue with a tree stump. And lose.

The referee stands right behind the QB. If it isn't a game issue to him on the field, how in hell is it an issue for Al in the 14th row?

[LUconn]

Players and coaches have to bring things to the officials attention every single game. If a receiver is pushing off to get an advantage every time a DB can let a ref know to look for that. Now obviously a ref should already be looking for that but they're also looking for everything. But we're arguing around the point. The point is the piped in music was being played while the L offense was calling signals and it affected them. That's illegal, but it wasn't called. These things sometimes happen.

[Champion]

I hate it when we get locked into these debates of whether something is an "adsolute". It is rarely that cut and dried. If referee's were always right the NFL wouldn't be using instant replay. People are human, humans make mistakes, nobody is perfect. With that being said if anyone is going get a call right it is probably going to be an official. They're trained, they're experienced, and they're profesionals. Let's not get wrapped up in an argument based around the perfection or definicies of the officials. Stuff happens. No calls were absolutely horrible...a few were questionable. Bottom line....had LU played up to their capability we wouldn't be having this discussion.

[Hold My Own]

You must be a lawyer. You'd argue with a tree stump. And lose.

The referee stands right behind the QB. If it isn't a game issue to him on the field, how in hell is it an issue for Al in the 14th row?

Be honest...do you believe that 95% of the world are idiots and you're in the select few?

[RagingTireFire]

You must be a lawyer. You'd argue with a tree stump. And lose.

The referee stands right behind the QB. If it isn't a game issue to him on the field, how in hell is it an issue for Al in the 14th row?

Be honest...do you believe that 95% of the world are idiots and you're in the select few?

No. Do you?

[ALUmnus]

I'm curious what RTF is so mad about. Nobody on here was complaining about the music, nobody said "we need to stop this immediately". We said it was obviously against the rules, and we couldn't believe that Lafayette didn't bring it to the ref's attention. LUConn, myself, nor anyone on here said we need to stop doing it, just pointing out the obvious. But come on, the "ref knows best" argument just doesn't fly. It's like those people who say "you've never played at a high level, you wouldn't understand". Pshah. Couldn't disagree more.

[Hold My Own]

I'm not even concerned about the rules part...I'm still trying to figure out where & when someone said they are coming to football games for the music as RTF said

[RagingTireFire]

I'm curious what RTF is so mad about. Nobody on here was complaining about the music, nobody said "we need to stop this immediately". We said it was obviously against the rules, and we couldn't believe that Lafayette didn't bring it to the ref's attention. LUConn, myself, nor anyone on here said we need to stop doing it, just pointing out the obvious. But come on, the "ref knows best" argument just doesn't fly. It's like those people who say "you've never played at a high level, you wouldn't understand". Pshah. Couldn't disagree more.

To answer both of your questions, it annoys me that people just have to have something to complain about. In this case, people showed up and they're complaining about the music selections played during a football game. It's not like you're going to a concert. If you don't like the music during the game, bring a frickin' radio with you.

As for Al's bit, I never said the ref was infallible. My point is that you guys are claiming, "oh, this was clearly illegal" when the rules leave it entirely up to the judgement of the referee who is standing on the field mere feet from the quarterback. In a case like this, he is eminently more qualified to make that judgement by virtue of his training, his position and, above all, his physical location on the field than a bunch of mooks in the stands who have spent the last quarter and a half arguing over which music shouldn't be played.

[Hold My Own]

I'm curious what RTF is so mad about. Nobody on here was complaining about the music, nobody said "we need to stop this immediately". We said it was obviously against the rules, and we couldn't believe that Lafayette didn't bring it to the ref's attention. LUConn, myself, nor anyone on here said we need to stop doing it, just pointing out the obvious. But come on, the "ref knows best" argument just doesn't fly. It's like those people who say "you've never played at a high level, you wouldn't understand". Pshah. Couldn't disagree more.

To answer both of your questions, it annoys me that people just have to have something to complain about. In this case, people showed up and they're complaining about the music selections played during a football game. It's not like you're going to a concert. If you don't like the music during the game, bring a frickin' radio with you.

As for Al's bit, I never said the ref was infallible. My point is that you guys are claiming, "oh, this was clearly illegal" when the rules leave it entirely up to the judgement of the referee who is standing on the field mere feet from the quarterback. In a case like this, he is eminently more qualified to make that judgement by virtue of his training, his position and, above all, his physical location on the field than a bunch of mooks in the stands who have spent the last quarter and a half arguing over which music shouldn't be played.

Not sure who the "song selection" comment was to but for the record, I only had a problem with the Bye Bye Bye while we were losing, but that wasnt the song being played but rather another boy band song.

[RagingTireFire]

I wasn't referring to you. What you said was funny. I was referring to Luke and Friends.