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By cruzan_flame13
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Just John wrote:
TH Spangler wrote:Bad mouthing a gentleman like Gill at this point in the season (4 wins) tells me its personal, has nothing to do with his coaching.
Flameshaw has often said what a good person Gill is. But this is a sports board and not the People Magazine message board so by nature we tend to talk sports abilities more than personalities.
Ding! Ding!! Ding!!!
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By Just John
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A Sea of Red wrote:I just happened to be reading this game preview for tomorrow’s game and caught this statement which is pertinent to this discussion:

“If head coach Turner Gill, who also lifted the Buffalo football program a decade ago, stays for the long haul, Liberty will be a force to reckon with in the near future.”

https://www.underdogdynasty.com/2018/11 ... ce=twitter

Just gives an idea as to what some of the mainstream public/media thinks of Gill
The HC of Troy also said we had a great punter ...following the week he had two punts for 9 yards. Rhetoric.
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By CCWMichael
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Just John wrote:
A Sea of Red wrote:I just happened to be reading this game preview for tomorrow’s game and caught this statement which is pertinent to this discussion:

“If head coach Turner Gill, who also lifted the Buffalo football program a decade ago, stays for the long haul, Liberty will be a force to reckon with in the near future.”

https://www.underdogdynasty.com/2018/11 ... ce=twitter

Just gives an idea as to what some of the mainstream public/media thinks of Gill
The HC of Troy also said we had a great punter ...following the week he had two punts for 9 yards. Rhetoric.
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By Ewglenn
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A Sea of Red wrote:I just happened to be reading this game preview for tomorrow’s game and caught this statement which is pertinent to this discussion:

“If head coach Turner Gill, who also lifted the Buffalo football program a decade ago, stays for the long haul, Liberty will be a force to reckon with in the near future.”

https://www.underdogdynasty.com/2018/11 ... ce=twitter

Just gives an idea as to what some of the mainstream public/media thinks of Gill
The mainstream public also doesn’t follow Liberty like we do.
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By CCWMichael
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Ewglenn wrote:
A Sea of Red wrote:I just happened to be reading this game preview for tomorrow’s game and caught this statement which is pertinent to this discussion:

“If head coach Turner Gill, who also lifted the Buffalo football program a decade ago, stays for the long haul, Liberty will be a force to reckon with in the near future.”

https://www.underdogdynasty.com/2018/11 ... ce=twitter

Just gives an idea as to what some of the mainstream public/media thinks of Gill
The mainstream public also doesn’t follow Liberty like we do.
Think about this.
Had to go back TEN years!
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By cruzan_flame13
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I’ll add this; Gill is respected by coaches, some media and even people who had seen him play or was involve as a staff member. What really matters the most is does prospects respect him? This a different generation , and even though Gill receive some decent players during his tenure here, he could’ve received more if he was really respected as some articles or podcast proclaims.
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By Purple Haize
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cruzan_flame13 wrote:I’ll add this; Gill is respected by coaches, some media and even people who had seen him play or was involve as a staff member. What really matters the most is does prospects respect him? This a different generation , and even though Gill receive some decent players during his tenure here, he could’ve received more if he was really respected as some articles or podcast proclaims.
Do you have proof of that?
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By cruzan_flame13
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Purple Haize wrote:
cruzan_flame13 wrote:I’ll add this; Gill is respected by coaches, some media and even people who had seen him play or was involve as a staff member. What really matters the most is does prospects respect him? This a different generation , and even though Gill receive some decent players during his tenure here, he could’ve received more if he was really respected as some articles or podcast proclaims.
Do you have proof of that?
I wouldn’t say I have hardcore evidence, but I’ve been tracking the prospects that we offer for some time. I usually observe what the prospects and other connected players are posting on social media and it seems like it’s pointing in that direction. I could be wrong for sure but actions speakers louder than words at times.
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By Purple Haize
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Jonathan Carone wrote:You can look at the recruits we’ve brought in and see that enough quality players respect him.
That’s what I was thinking. I was wondering if I was misunderstanding what he was trying to say
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By cruzan_flame13
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Jonathan Carone wrote:You can look at the recruits we’ve brought in and see that enough quality players respect him.
Yes there are some quality players who respect him, but what’s enough? What’s being displayed on the field is hard to claim that it’s enough.
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By Liberty22
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cruzan_flame13 wrote:
Jonathan Carone wrote:You can look at the recruits we’ve brought in and see that enough quality players respect him.
Yes there are some quality players who respect him, but what’s enough? What’s being displayed on the field is hard to claim that it’s enough.
I truly believe the biggest problem is the coaches. If this defense had a different staff I truly believe were 6-2 and not having this discussion on players
By ballah09
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Ask some of the Kansas players like Talib and Harris if they respect Gill. They'll tell you a different story.
Under Gill, Hawk Time was gone. More and more players skipped tutoring sessions and classes. Players naturally let up, seeing how far they could push the line of acceptability.

“(Guys said) ‘I’m running a little late; I’ll just show up to meetings five minutes late,’” Thorson says. “Those things become cancerous.’”

If Gill’s philosophy was noble, it was also an awful fit. He took away cellphones on road trips. He installed a strict curfew. He took players’ names off the Jayhawks’ jerseys and instituted a “no swearing” policy around the football facility. Many players rebelled and the threat of punishment from Mangino was now gone. The relaxed mentality bled into Gill’s coaching staff, as well. According to one former assistant, one coach was caught napping multiple times by other staffers.

Read more here: https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/b ... rylink=cpy
Interesting considering we consistently have players getting suspended for missing team meetings and showing up late to practice. I see a trend! I wonder if he had a coach nap during practice considering he brought the same staff from Kansas to Liberty?
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By Purple Haize
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ballah09 wrote:Ask some of the Kansas players like Talib and Harris if they respect Gill. They'll tell you a different story.
Under Gill, Hawk Time was gone. More and more players skipped tutoring sessions and classes. Players naturally let up, seeing how far they could push the line of acceptability.

“(Guys said) ‘I’m running a little late; I’ll just show up to meetings five minutes late,’” Thorson says. “Those things become cancerous.’”

If Gill’s philosophy was noble, it was also an awful fit. He took away cellphones on road trips. He installed a strict curfew. He took players’ names off the Jayhawks’ jerseys and instituted a “no swearing” policy around the football facility. Many players rebelled and the threat of punishment from Mangino was now gone. The relaxed mentality bled into Gill’s coaching staff, as well. According to one former assistant, one coach was caught napping multiple times by other staffers.

Read more here: https://www.kansas.com/sports/college/b ... rylink=cpy
Interesting considering we consistently have players getting suspended for missing team meetings and showing up late to practice. I see a trend! I wonder if he had a coach nap during practice considering he brought the same staff from Kansas to Liberty?
I thought these quotes were pretty telling:


“What he walked into at Kansas, I don’t think he was necessarily ready for it,” says Brad Thorson, a former offensive lineman under Mangino and Gill. “We were athletes that were trained to react based on fear, and we were asked to behave based on personal responsibility.

“It’s the right message, but it was such a significant shift, I think it was tough for him to control the discipline.”

Gill, now the head coach at Liberty University, declined to comment for this story. But more than two years after he left KU, nearly all the former players that spoke for this story say they still hold Gill in high regard. He treated players with respect, they say, and he emphasized character and growth. Some even believe he needed more time for his experiment to take root.

“The guy is dear to my heart,” says Olaitan Oguntodu, a former linebacker under Mangino and Gill.

“To blame Gill solely for two years,” Patterson says, “I don’t think that’s fair.”

In life and college football, though, fairness is often a relative term. While Gill may have been tasked with an impossible job, others believe his failings ran deeper than a simple culture change. Sometimes football is about … well, football.
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By Jonathan Carone
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I think our players have shown over and over they respect Gill. He shows no personality publicly but when you talk to people around the program, they tell you how different he is around the players.

Criticizing his coaching is legit.

Criticizing his relationships and respect is a bit if a stretch.
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By jinxy
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Unless gill loses out were stuck with him through 19. I do believe a dc change could be forced upon him. However it would likely be an internal shuffle so how effective that will be. Who knows. Its so bad there is no way wimbo can stay as dc and the program retain any respect.
By ALAFlamesFan
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I think it is entirely possible Turner is here for the foreseeable future. I predict an extension. A change on defense is needed and it is going to be toigh for him. Someone suggested everyone on D must go but I don't see that. Bookbinder is the grandson of his mentor. Ask Urban what it would take to fire that guy?!
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By Purple Haize
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cruzan_flame13 wrote:Kansas is going to fire Coach Beaty.
Here is my shocked face :|
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By cruzan_flame13
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Purple Haize wrote:
cruzan_flame13 wrote:Kansas is going to fire Coach Beaty.
Here is my shocked face :|
Exactly. They might as well make their basketball players play football as well just to save money.
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