[thepostman]

He fooled Kansas once upon a time. There are a few other P5 programs just as foolish.

Not any more, not after the first trip. He has a bigger body of work to review now.

Maybe but that's assuming there aren't P5 programs with bad leadership.

It's far fetched but it's also isnt completely out of realm of possibility.

[FlamesHighontheTide]

I didn't know Gill is 56. How much longer does he even desire to coach? I know there are some who coach into their late 60s and early 70s, but thinking about Gill's age I would perceive that he doesn't want to make the jump to another G-5 school. This era of Liberty Football is new, exciting and presents great opportunity. Like Jonathan, I don't know if there are any schools aside from Nebraska that would even tempt him to leave LU.

I think the interesting dilemma Ian could be put in is if we make a bowl game this year and win the game. Then in the last year of his contract Gill leads LU to a 8 to 10 win season with obviously another bowl game and win.

Is that enough to keep him as HC for another 2 to 4 year extension?

[thepostman]

If that scenario happens (A Big IF at this point) then I doubt Ian thinks twice about extending him.

[jack_sparrow81]

He fooled Kansas once upon a time. There are a few other P5 programs just as foolish.

Not any more, not after the first trip. He has a bigger body of work to review now.

Maybe but that's assuming there aren't P5 programs with bad leadership.

It's far fetched but it's also isnt completely out of realm of possibility.

It's hard to analyze his tenure at Kansas. It was the beginning of a mess before he got there and it's still a mess today- before yesterday, the Jayhawks hadn't won in the month of October since 2009.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong but didn't North Texas show interest in Gill at one point in the past couple of years?

[Purple Haize]

Why would Gill want to leave?

[Jonathan Carone]

He wouldn’t.

[Class of 20Something]

Why would Gill want to leave?

Security is the only reasonable answer.

[ballcoach15]

As I have said before, we have a FBS Offense and a high school defense. If Gill can fix defense, we'll be ok.

[tyndal23]

As I have said before, we have a FBS Offense and a high school defense. If Gill can fix defense, we'll be ok.

Our D is good with certain matchups. We are not good against a spread out offense with an accurate QB. Even as bad as the numbers are - our D still makes a lot of TFL and Sacks and starting to get turnovers. D Line is pretty legit.

[CCWMichael]

Hue Jackson is available and Todd Haley who has been fired by everybody.

Nah, I don't think so ..... but why did it take the Brownies so long?

[BigRed1]

Do some of y’all really think anyone would seriously want Turner Gill as their coach? And besides, why would he ever think about leaving? He’s making a million bucks a year to produce below average results. He’s got it made. I’m sure we would all like to make that kind of money to underperform.

[flameshaw]

Do some of y’all really think anyone would seriously want Turner Gill as their coach? And besides, why would he ever think about leaving? He’s making a million bucks a year to produce below average results. He’s got it made. I’m sure we would all like to make that kind of money to underperform.

100%.

Does anyone know if TG dressed up as a football coach for Halloween last night?

[Class of 20Something]

UMass hasn't posted a 5 win season since becoming FBS. There are plenty of schools worse off. Yes, there will be schools that want a HC that can win 5-7 games a year for eternity. That is a step up for many programs.

That isn't were our fanbase is nor our leadership.

The hardest part for those programs will be luring him away from Liberty. Pretending TG is the worst coach in FBS and there won't be a market for him is absurd. I am positive head coaches have agents and we can all predict what his agent would be telling an AD. "Turner Gill took an FCS team to FBS and had a winning record with an FCS roster. Gill recruited high character players and ran a no nonsense program that in a way that did not bring PR issues to the university. "

[rtb72]

We go 6-6 even w/o a bowl appearance....TG deserves some more time. I've been critical, but I also believe that demonstrates some improvement. Past trends do matter, so success this year cannot be an outlier. But if he can turn it around, so be it. I'll gladly have my fork ready for a full helping of crow.....

[Jonathan Carone]

We go 6-6 even w/o a bowl appearance....TG deserves some more time. I've been critical, but I also believe that demonstrates some improvement. Past trends do matter, so success this year cannot be an outlier. But if he can turn it around, so be it. I'll gladly have my fork ready for a full helping of crow.....

I think I agree, but there's an argument there for not extending him at that point.

If we go 6-6, that means we lost to either UMass, NMSU, or Norfolk State. At this point, I'd say games against those types of teams are the ones we should expect to win, and we would've lost two of the five "expect to win" games on the year. Yes, we punched up and won three we didn't expect to win (ODU, New Mexico, Troy), but we also dropped ones we shouldn't. If you wanted to, you could make the claim that dropping games we should win negates winning games we shouldn't.

I'm not sure where I stand between those two arguments. I think I'd actually have to see how we performed in the games before I'd definitively say one way or the other at that point.

[flameshaw]

UMass hasn't posted a 5 win season since becoming FBS. There are plenty of schools worse off. Yes, there will be schools that want a HC that can win 5-7 games a year for eternity. That is a step up for many programs.

That isn't were our fanbase is nor our leadership.

The hardest part for those programs will be luring him away from Liberty. Pretending TG is the worst coach in FBS and there won't be a market for him is absurd. I am positive head coaches have agents and we can all predict what his agent would be telling an AD. "Turner Gill took an FCS team to FBS and had a winning record with an FCS roster. Gill recruited high character players and ran a no nonsense program that in a way that did not bring PR issues to the university. "

Don't know where a couple of your comments came from. As one of his harshest critics, I don't remember anyone saying or implying that he is the worst coach in in FBS. IMHO, he has been very mediocre at best. There may be a market for him if things continues as they have, but his ceiling appears to be a FCS coach, at best.
He has recruited quite a few high character players. However there have also been several that have highly questionable character. I am willing to give him a bit of a pass on that, it is very difficult to read or know what an 18-22 year old is capable of.
He has has some good wins, but in his time here there have also been about 10 wtf games, the worst being St. Francis.
I would say that regardless of his final record this year, he doesn't deserve another chance. There have been so many questionable decisions as a coach, that there is just no excuse for, even that a FCS, low-level, inexperienced, first year coach shouldn't make. As an example this year: I believe it was against Troy. We are ahead late in the 4th quarter, have the ball and a good chance to run out the clock. Instead we inexplicably go into a hurry up offense. The fans In my area were going crazy, wondering what he could possibly be thinking. There have been several others that we have discussed here as well.
Play-calling is unimaginative, questionable, predictive, etc.
Finally, it seems like he is not capable of managing his staff very well. Wimberly should have been fired years ago. Somehow he is still coaching. How does any coach keep a coordinator who gives up 600+ yards on defense and many, many games over 400+. We have already seen a few FBS coaches relieved of their duties this year for non-performance, including Tee Martin for USC, just this week. FBS is a big boy league. The one in charge, has to be able to make big-boy decisions.
TG is a great person, he just ins't a big time, effective coach. I am all for him staying at the university in some capacity, if they can find a better match for his talents, personality and integrity.

[BigRed1]

UMass hasn't posted a 5 win season since becoming FBS. There are plenty of schools worse off. Yes, there will be schools that want a HC that can win 5-7 games a year for eternity. That is a step up for many programs.

That isn't were our fanbase is nor our leadership.

The hardest part for those programs will be luring him away from Liberty. Pretending TG is the worst coach in FBS and there won't be a market for him is absurd. I am positive head coaches have agents and we can all predict what his agent would be telling an AD. "Turner Gill took an FCS team to FBS and had a winning record with an FCS roster. Gill recruited high character players and ran a no nonsense program that in a way that did not bring PR issues to the university. "

And I’m sure his agent would neglect to mention that he had FCS teams with a budget and resources of many FBS teams and managed to make the playoffs ONE time while playing in one of the weakest conferences in the FCS.

[Purple Haize]

UMass hasn't posted a 5 win season since becoming FBS. There are plenty of schools worse off. Yes, there will be schools that want a HC that can win 5-7 games a year for eternity. That is a step up for many programs.

That isn't were our fanbase is nor our leadership.

The hardest part for those programs will be luring him away from Liberty. Pretending TG is the worst coach in FBS and there won't be a market for him is absurd. I am positive head coaches have agents and we can all predict what his agent would be telling an AD. "Turner Gill took an FCS team to FBS and had a winning record with an FCS roster. Gill recruited high character players and ran a no nonsense program that in a way that did not bring PR issues to the university. "

And I’m sure his agent would neglect to mention that he had FCS teams with a budget and resources of many FBS teams and managed to make the playoffs ONE time while playing in one of the weakest conferences in the FCS.

You can’t be serious. Do you not know how agents work? Getting HCTG another gig wouldn’t take a lot of effort if you were his agent/agency

[flameshaw]

UMass hasn't posted a 5 win season since becoming FBS. There are plenty of schools worse off. Yes, there will be schools that want a HC that can win 5-7 games a year for eternity. That is a step up for many programs.

That isn't were our fanbase is nor our leadership.

The hardest part for those programs will be luring him away from Liberty. Pretending TG is the worst coach in FBS and there won't be a market for him is absurd. I am positive head coaches have agents and we can all predict what his agent would be telling an AD. "Turner Gill took an FCS team to FBS and had a winning record with an FCS roster. Gill recruited high character players and ran a no nonsense program that in a way that did not bring PR issues to the university. "

And I’m sure his agent would neglect to mention that he had FCS teams with a budget and resources of many FBS teams and managed to make the playoffs ONE time while playing in one of the weakest conferences in the FCS.

You can’t be serious. Do you not know how agents work? Getting HCTG another gig wouldn’t take a lot of effort if you were his agent/agency

Yep, I can hear the agent now................... "he got fired from LU for under performing, but he would still make a great coach for Notre Dame, USC, Michigan, Oklahoma, etc. Given 8 months to prepare he beat the worst Baylor team in 15 years and beat a very weak ODU team. He only has problems when he has to play with one week to prepare. And that time he got run out of the stadium by KSU, a 2nd or 3rd year football team, was just a fluke. Who knew they were going to run the triple option? Come on, he is a nice guy, he even let St Francis beat his team and kept a defensive coordinator who gave up 600 yards on defense. You can't find loyalty like that anywhere else. .
We can debate it here all day, but the truth is, we won't know anything until he needs to find another job. I don't see him getting a chance at a FBS gig anywhere, even with Super Agent. I want him to continue to coach for us, in the worst kind of way. But reality and reason says he has done nothing in 7 years to deserve that opportunity. Companies would literally die if they kept on under-performing/average/mediocre, employees for that long, expecting change. 7 years is enough of a honeymoon.

[cruzan_flame13]

I agree, but we’re 4-3 right now in our inaugural season of FBS. What does the past 6 years matter anyhow?! Thank goodness basketball season is near.

[Class of 20Something]

I'm just amazed by some people that are just intentionally obtuse. At least I hope it's intentional.

How about FBS schools that are worse than Liberty but are in TX, OK, or OK to get Gill closer to family.

UTEP
Tulsa
Louisiana - Lafayette
Louisiana - Monroe
Tulane
Texas St
UTSA
SMU
Rice

I'm not saying there is going to be a bidding war or everyone is ready for a new coach. I'm saying that those are all schools in the bottom 30 of FBS that would be reasonable destinations if Gill wants to be closer to family. His daughter is even in Dallas if that could be a motivator.

A four year deal making $850k at all of those schools easily competes with a two year extension at $1m.

[Jonathan Carone]

I think you underestimate the comfort he has to be himself at Liberry. This is the perfect job for him. I don’t see any way he leaves for another job any time soon.

[thepostman]

I hadn't thought about until now but if we somehow make a bowl game this year and find a way to win that game Gill will go down as the coach who won our first FCS playoff game AND first bowl game.

Like him or not he will cement himself in history and be the coach for the foreseeable future. If we find a way not to implode

[Class of 20Something]

I think you underestimate the comfort he has to be himself at Liberry. This is the perfect job for him. I don’t see any way he leaves for another job any time soon.

Oh not at all. That's why I think the only thing that pulls him away is job security. I just don't understand the blind hatred(not by you) that some have that think he is unemployable elsewhere. I think there will be a market. It's not Urban Meyer's market, but it is a market.

I think, public or not, HCTG will field more than one external offer. That doesn't mean he takes it, but I just believe he gets a call.

[flameshaw]

I'm just amazed by some people that are just intentionally obtuse. At least I hope it's intentional.

How about FBS schools that are worse than Liberty but are in TX, OK, or OK to get Gill closer to family.

UTEP
Tulsa
Louisiana - Lafayette
Louisiana - Monroe
Tulane
Texas St
UTSA
SMU
Rice

I'm not saying there is going to be a bidding war or everyone is ready for a new coach. I'm saying that those are all schools in the bottom 30 of FBS that would be reasonable destinations if Gill wants to be closer to family. His daughter is even in Dallas if that could be a motivator.

A four year deal making $850k at all of those schools easily competes with a two year extension at $1m.

I do find it interesting that you are only considering schools "that are worse than Liberty." Wouldn't one hope that if a school has a good coach, that they would be hired by a school better than their current position? As a side note, I doubt we would go .500 against that list of schools if we were to play them.
We are already at a small disadvantage in recruiting because of our rules (which I hope we stay true to). We need a much better than average coach, who believes in the mission of the school, to get where we want to go.